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Greta75 -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:03:36 PM)

Doms who can't control their temper, red flag to me.

Just take care of yourself okay? While we fantasize about abuse, but BDSM is not suppose to be abusive, but a mutually enjoyable activity by two like-minded people.




Sonew2b -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:18:19 PM)

I did not envision any of this just a couple of months ago. If you would of told me we would be having this conversation I would have laughed, Well I'd still be laughing. Yet here I am... laying on the floor in a man's house who as of a few days ago I would have done almost anything for. So at this point I guess tomorrow Ill stay with a friend. Don't know what I'm going to tell her lol. I've had my feelings and my heart hurt before. But what the hell do I do about all the stuff he's made me want, need even! Excluding him of course!




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:37:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sonew2b

No I'm saying or trying to, that I would never stand toe to toe with an angry man and allow him to hit me. That night there was a lot going on. In the middle of being spanked hard, and feeling all that I was....its hard to explain but is all kind of fuzzy. I wasnt even aware of the fact that I answered him until I tasted blood. It wasn't his hand across my face that I noticed. It took me a minute to realize he hit me. It was Like I opened my eyes and was looking at a very. Angry guy. The blood freaked me a little but mostly I was confused. The only reason this was anissue is because right here in that moment things changed. He blew off his anger said it was fine. . But after that his play has been degrading and hes distant than he made this request and I'm not allowed in the same room untill I can do that for him. It seems to me its all about that night. ... it's just so hazy. I didn't recognize it as abuse until someone said earlier that it was his anger that made it dangerous, it made me think. The reason its so hard I can't figure out what caused it. He said I didn't answer him correctly. I left off Sir.


Fair enough. I know it's hard to put things into words when everything is all jumbled up inside. Especially when it involves someone you have very strong feelings for

My questions for you to ask yourself....no need to publicly answer here because these are very personal:

Based on how you feel and what happened, do you trust him?
Is this new way of him being (his degrading play and distant behavior) honestly working for you?
Where do your personal boundaries lie as far as how you feel you should be treated...and does this guy's behavior fit within that boundary?
Does the "why" of this change ultimately make a difference to you in the way you were and are being treated?
In your eyes, what constitutes abuse?
What constitutes part of your dynamic?
Did his behavior then and now fit your idea of your dynamic...or abuse?
What will making you shit yourself and then sit in it accomplish?
What happens if you cannot comply for whatever reason...what do you do then?

For me personally, my guy knows not to ever hit me in the face or involve any activities incorporating body fluids (blood, feces, urine, vomit) because these are my hard limits discussed well ahead of time. Same goes for him when it comes to me (we switch). If you guys didn't have a discussion about this, it's okay for you to stop until you do. But if you guys had this talk and he did or is making you do things that cross your hard limits, it's okay to kick his ass to the curb.

Again...only you can decide what is right for you. I wish you all the best no matter what you decide

ETA: I see you responded while I was responding to you. What you tell your friend can be as little as "Im having relationship trouble" to the full story. Whatever you are comfortable with. This is merely the end of a chapter...not the end of everything. NOT every dominant man is like this guy.





angelikaJ -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:40:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sonew2b

I did not envision any of this just a couple of months ago. If you would of told me we would be having this conversation I would have laughed, Well I'd still be laughing. Yet here I am... laying on the floor in a man's house who as of a few days ago I would have done almost anything for. So at this point I guess tomorrow Ill stay with a friend. Don't know what I'm going to tell her lol. I've had my feelings and my heart hurt before. But what the hell do I do about all the stuff he's made me want, need even! Excluding him of course!


You give yourself some time to heal from the end of a broken relationship and then you go to a munch.




Sonew2b -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:47:12 PM)

Um. .. what's a munch?




DesFIP -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 9:56:31 PM)

There's a difference between dominant and abusive.

Good dominants teach subs how to succeed. Bad ones lash out verbally and physically.

Good dominants expect that subs will have hard limits and will discuss them. Either agreeing to take that out of play or that since it's that important it means they're not compatible.

The major problem here is that you moved in with him while barely knowing him. Now he figures you will do whatever he wants because you have nowhere else to live. Call family and friends, explain what's happened and ask one of them to take you in. Or call the local woman's shelter.




Greta75 -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 10:05:39 PM)

OP doesn't even know what a munch is. I'm so glad you came on here and find out about other people in the scene opinion Sonew2b.

You need to keep yourself informed to make the best decisions for yourself. I personally think the dominant you are with is just one those who takes advantage rather than teach and grow someone.

A munch is simply a gathering of people into BDSM.





sexyred1 -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 10:13:20 PM)

OP,

Don't go to a munch, yet.

For 5 months you have experienced a great deal that you need to work out.

Everyone told you that an angry guy is just that, whether vanilla or Dom.

He did something that scared you, and to me hitting till blood, would make me stop whatever we were doing right then.

I was with a very angry guy for 10 years who used kink as a weapon and I too, was mesmerized at first because he did not show his true colors for a few years, not months as in your case.

Much harder to get out of it the longer you stay.

Unlike you,I was not a newbie and yet I still let a lot happen that I never allowed anyone to do.

You are right to realize you may have been changed by the mixed feelings, but please make sure you think that being with someone who is asking you to do things you don't want to and then treating you badly with no open communication, is the slightest bit worth it.

I will say it is not and you can take your time and if you do feel submissive, you will hopefully meet other Doms who are not like this.

Just heed early red flags and be thankful your guy revealed himself quicker than mine, although I take ownership for being so crazy about him I ignored the flags.

Good luck.




DarkSteven -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 10:22:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sonew2b

I did not envision any of this just a couple of months ago. If you would of told me we would be having this conversation I would have laughed, Well I'd still be laughing. Yet here I am... laying on the floor in a man's house who as of a few days ago I would have done almost anything for. So at this point I guess tomorrow Ill stay with a friend. Don't know what I'm going to tell her lol. I've had my feelings and my heart hurt before. But what the hell do I do about all the stuff he's made me want, need even! Excluding him of course!


You give yourself some time to heal from the end of a broken relationship and then you go to a munch.



Yup.

You seem to think that he's the only Dom in the world. Not only are there a lotta other Doms, but they'll treat you better, and likely know what they're doing as well.




angelikaJ -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/10/2014 10:30:36 PM)

The man you are in a relationship with does not recognise that you have a right to have limits and that those limits should be respected.

Here is an explanation of limits:
http://bdsmunveiled.blogspot.com/2013/01/limits-in-bdsm-relationship.html?zx=55a626099ead1b8c

There are ways of correcting someone that does not involve hitting them in anger.
There are dynamics that don't involve humiliation.

Again, once you have healed from your broken heart (and I recommend this book, the entire text of which is available here:
http://www.buildfreedom.com/content/books/survive/ ) then you can think about meeting other people in your local BDSM group(s).

What's a munch?




FieryOpal -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 2:56:46 AM)

There are different Domination styles. I'm not a submissive, but it was confusing for me as well for a long period of time, not knowing what options there were, if any. It took me awhile to realize that I am erotically-driven, and that I have every right to be true to myself. For an inexperienced Dominant who is normally a giving person, I let my husband at the time set the pace and push the boundaries, and he didn't know any more than I did. In a way that was good, because we got to explore our sexuality together, be experimental, find out what pushed our buttons and what didn't.

You don't know yet what Domination style works for you. It could be that you need a DaddyDom to spoil you and treat you like his little princess, rather than a Disciplinarian type.

This man is evidently into a humiliation & punishment dynamic. He needs to find a sub who WANTS to be humiliated and feels compelled to receive corporal and/or degrading punishments. It doesn't sound to me like this is fulfilling an inner need of yours. You are not compatible with your Master, nor is he being reasonable in expecting a newbie to embrace a state of slavery in six months. I'll borrow from one of the forum regulars, an experienced lifestyle Dom named DarkSteven who advised that a submissive should wait at least one year, or have one year's worth of D/s experience before becoming a 24/7 (full-time) TPE-Total Power Exchange slave. At the minimum, I'll add. It may take 2-4 years for you to be ready to accept this commitment level, if ever.

You are the only one who knows what your heart's desire is. Someone who is subjected to slavery without her unwavering consent is being stripped of her ability to give informed consent. This is not BDSM, this is abusive behavior. You have the right to set limits. You have the right to negotiate your terms in advance. Almost impossible to do after the fact once you've entered into this sort of relationship. Some subs/slaves have deal breakers such as non-monogamy, bisexuality, anal sex-play, extreme kinks, no marks or scarring, etc., or hating to do the laundry, for goodness sake. If a Dominant has an issue with your boundaries, then he isn't the right match for you. Being a submissive does not mean you must submit to everything that gets thrown at you, just as being a Dominant does not mean you have to act in a way that is contrary to your nature (in my case, I don't like having a humiliation & punishment dynamic, whereas playful "funishment" is on a separate dimensional plane).




areallivehuman -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 2:57:35 AM)

You've been introduced to something new, it's entrancing, you don't want to lose it. You're 5 months in, time to step back and reevaluate what you want.

You don't want this guy, and to me, he sounds like an idiot. Personally, if my girl made a "mistake" during "play", I would mentally make a note and file it away for future discussion, like sometime when she's not tripping in sub-space and can understand what's going on.

I am not into punishment or humiliation, and it doesn't sound like you are either. On that basis alone, you and he are not compatible.

Refusal to discuss, and not speaking to you until you do as asked, are big red flags, he's trying to force you to do something you don't want to.

Bottom line, you can do better. There is someone out there who's a better match for you. Go.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 3:23:24 AM)

I'm glad you're still here and reading this thread.

I agree with what everyone else has said, he's an abuser.

Abusers are *very* dangerous when you try to leave. So please, please do not tell him. The first chance you get, pack what you have to have and get the hell out. Do not tell him where you are going. Be prepared for angry confrontation when he finds you. (He most likely will find you). No matter what he says, don't go back.

Call the police and report him if necessary.

Don't be embarrassed to use the police, or even a domestic abuse shelter.

You are relatively close to me (I'm also in IN), so feel free to message me on the other side.

When you get a chance, give us an update.




DarkSteven -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 5:39:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I agree with what everyone else has said, he's an abuser.



Yep. And a good one.

He was able to hold off on showing his true hand for FIVE MONTHS. And he still did it in such a way that it looked a lot like D/s.

Be careful. He's very much inside your head.




Sonew2b -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:05:34 AM)

Wish I would of read these a few hrs ago. I left. ....... it hurt a lot. I do not know how I was so wrong..... Angry was NOT the word.




DarkSteven -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:18:47 AM)

Good. At this point, anger is a good emotion. Anything that will help you make the break permanent.

Please don't leave the lifestyle based on this. There are good Doms.




SweetAnise -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:41:14 AM)

To the OP: Good for you for leaving. You deserve better. Now go heal and be very mindful that not every man who claims to be dominant- IS. Peace and Health.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:43:58 AM)

Great, I'm glad you left, though I'm sure it was extremely painful. Allow yourself plenty of time to grieve before pursuing another relationship.

During the meantime stick around here and learn about BDSM. This is a great place to discover how to find a dom who *isn't* an abuser.

Also, stay safe. His reaction to your leaving will most likely be violent.

<big hugs here>





angelikaJ -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:44:24 AM)

Abuse vs. BDSM
http://www.the-crucible.com/bdsm.htm

" if it isn't CONSENSUAL on your part, it is ABUSE. Pure and simple, no grey areas, if something is happening which you have not given your consent, and doesn't stop when requested, it is ABUSE."




Sanguinarian -> RE: Angry Dom. (4/11/2014 6:57:20 AM)

This is where Emotion, Physical Sensation and Logic get all fuxed up. With the last one who attempted such things are you are describing with me, he found out very very fast that I don't need physical stimulus ( aka sex ) and I can shut off the Emotion to turn to only Logic and Reason. Now, that is not to say what I feel has no bearing on what I do. But you have to look at the bare bones of the matter, first. I figure this little list will help anyone who is reading this, actually, as well as the OP though I am using her posts as a basic template.

Logic bespeaks the mode of self preservation. Are you able to preserve your 'self' with this person? I will not say Dom because being a Dom is about your sub trusting you to protect them and I'd say that if you are here, asking others about this, you cannot 'trust' him in this regard. Redflag right there and a huge one that cannot be missed, but often is.

Logic is also about facts. Fact: this person did something unexpected that should have stopped the session cold so it could be discussed.
Fact: He got angry with you, because you either A) didn't address him properly or B) started bleeding? Little unclear here, but anger has NO part of ANY session, ever. This is how people die, during a session.
Fact: He is not allowing for your time to need to adapt.
Fact: He is punishing you, for something that, right now, is physically inpossible for you to do, and not allowing for any change to maybe get to that point.
Fact: A little gross, but have you ever seen a diaper rash, a bad one? That is what happens when one sits in their own feces. Some like it, but health-wise? Not so much.
Fact: He is intimating to you that you have no brain and no right to say Fuck you, I ain't doing that.

This is where Physical Sensation comes in. Does what he do make you feel good, or bad? So far, I see nothing but bad. That is two strikes against him so far.

And finally, Emotion. Since parts one and two are essentially negative, I would assume that the emotions so far, are also negative. Sometimes they make you feel worthless that you aren't a 'good sub' and they waste so much time on you when they could have had a dozen airfilled fluffheaded twits who don't know any better. Or they just cut you off and make you feel alone, that you did so wrong they can't even deal with it! OMG. They blame, guilt trip and use many passive aggressive stunts often found in Highschool Cliques. If given enough time, they swirl you around like an emotional milkshake until you can't even see your own color anymore and thank them for 'keeping' you.

Translation: They are afraid if they lose you, they won't be Domly anymore and because of that, their Average Joe asses would be hauled to lockup if they backhanded any other girl.

I have often seen BDSM and Dom masks being used as a cover for plain old domestic abuse. They find a newbie, one who is curious and entice them with candy coated words like " I been in the life for 10 years and I'll take care of you. " Oh, and my personal favorite: " I love you." Pare away the kink, and it is any other asshole who beats his spouse. It gives the real deals a bad name and taints Everyone's reputations. Also why we get very little good press, here.

Yes, anger is good for you, in your situation, but don't let it rule you. There are situations where said person can use your own anger against you, to make you feel bad and crawl right back to him.

There are good ones out there, who won't 'belatedly' disclose what they are. Nor will they push you to get into your pants on the very first meeting. Who prefer the dynamics over how fast they can get your shirt off, in a way that shows they respect YOU. Who wait, until YOU say, okay, I can do this, instead of, Hey, wanna try, wanna try, wanna try, or let's try it this way, or this way." In any effort they can, to get you to do what they want, regardless of what you can handle.

Look for the ones who don't feel the need to parade their dick size, or what they have in their dungeon unless they also run a business selling hand made toys. You are a person, not a bag of fuck meat. Also, since you weren't too thrilled with being backhanded, maybe sadists aren't a good idea to start with.




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