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DomKen -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/12/2014 6:57:31 PM)

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Nevada Revised Statute 321.596

I find these parts interesting.

2. The State of Nevada has a legal claim to the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada s borders because:

(a) In the case of the State of Alabama, a renunciation of any claim to unappropriated lands similar to that contained in the ordinance adopted by the Nevada constitutional convention was held by the Supreme Court of the United States to be void and inoperative because it denied to Alabama an equal footing with the original states in Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. (3 How.) 212 (1845);

(b) The State of Texas, when admitted to the Union in 1845, retained ownership of all unappropriated land within its borders, setting a further precedent which inured to the benefit of all states admitted later on an equal footing ; and

(c) The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, adopted into the Constitution of the United States by the reference of Article VI to prior engagements of the Confederation, first proclaimed the equal footing doctrine, and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, by which the territory including Nevada was acquired from Mexico and which is the supreme law of the land by virtue of Article VI, affirms it expressly as to the new states to be organized therein.


5. The attempted imposition upon the State of Nevada by the Congress of the United States of a requirement in the enabling act that Nevada disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, as a condition precedent to acceptance of Nevada into the Union, was an act beyond the power of the Congress of the United States and is thus void.

6. The purported right of ownership and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States is without foundation and violates the clear intent of the Constitution of the United States.

7. The exercise of such dominion and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States works a severe, continuous and debilitating hardship upon the people of the State of Nevada.



Bundy may have more of a case than some of you think.



Nope. This has been litigated to death. State law does not super cede federal law.


And you read this....where?

States rights (nearly) ALWAYS supersede federal rights....(there's a document....if I recall it's called the Constitution, has this shit that follows on/attached to..."Bill of Rights"....that kind of shit).

And the Constitution actually says that federal law is tops in this.
Article VI
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

Which means the state of Nevada can whine all it wants the feds win. The feds own the land and the BLM manages it.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/12/2014 7:47:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Nevada Revised Statute 321.596

I find these parts interesting.

2. The State of Nevada has a legal claim to the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada s borders because:

(a) In the case of the State of Alabama, a renunciation of any claim to unappropriated lands similar to that contained in the ordinance adopted by the Nevada constitutional convention was held by the Supreme Court of the United States to be void and inoperative because it denied to Alabama an equal footing with the original states in Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. (3 How.) 212 (1845);

(b) The State of Texas, when admitted to the Union in 1845, retained ownership of all unappropriated land within its borders, setting a further precedent which inured to the benefit of all states admitted later on an equal footing ; and

(c) The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, adopted into the Constitution of the United States by the reference of Article VI to prior engagements of the Confederation, first proclaimed the equal footing doctrine, and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, by which the territory including Nevada was acquired from Mexico and which is the supreme law of the land by virtue of Article VI, affirms it expressly as to the new states to be organized therein.


5. The attempted imposition upon the State of Nevada by the Congress of the United States of a requirement in the enabling act that Nevada disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, as a condition precedent to acceptance of Nevada into the Union, was an act beyond the power of the Congress of the United States and is thus void.

6. The purported right of ownership and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States is without foundation and violates the clear intent of the Constitution of the United States.

7. The exercise of such dominion and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States works a severe, continuous and debilitating hardship upon the people of the State of Nevada.



Bundy may have more of a case than some of you think.



Nope. This has been litigated to death. State law does not super cede federal law.


And you read this....where?

States rights (nearly) ALWAYS supersede federal rights....(there's a document....if I recall it's called the Constitution, has this shit that follows on/attached to..."Bill of Rights"....that kind of shit).


Hate to tell you this, but that argument was thrown out in a previous case United States v. Gardner

And since everyone has seemed to have not noticed, the state of Nevada is not trying to push the claim by saying the BLM is out of their jurisdiction.


Those bastages!!!!!




kalikshama -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 7:17:57 AM)

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For the moment, A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.

He won? Looks like BLM backed down because rounding up cattle isn't worth getting people hurt. So much for the rule of law. And that shows that the right ring no longer actually believes in that.


I interpreted this to mean that BLM is going to pursue other options than removing the cattle by force.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/t/story?id=23302610

However, today the BLM said it would not enforce a court order to remove the cattle and was pulling out of the area.

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.

"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner," he said.




hlen5 -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 7:32:39 AM)

I have only read the two intitial links and not the 5 pages of posts. My question is, who's name is on the deed to that property?

If it does belong to the family, how can the federal government pull grazing rights from it? How does the Fed Govt protect endangered species on private land?

If it's state land the family ought to pay up.




Moonhead -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 8:03:55 AM)

It appears to be state owned, and the other tenant farmers are paying for grazing rights.




kalikshama -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 8:15:13 AM)

I'm reading that it's federal land but Bundy, 67, and his large family cast their resistance to the roundup as a constitutional stand. He says he doesn't recognize federal authority over state land.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/t/story?id=23302610

...Cliven Bundy went head to head with the Bureau of Land Management over the removal of hundreds of his cattle from federal land, where the government said they were grazing illegally...

http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-end-stand-nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-246038

BUNKERVILLE, Nevada (Reuters) - U.S. officials ended a stand-off with hundreds of armed protesters in the Nevada desert on Saturday, calling off the government's roundup of cattle it said were illegally grazing on federal land and giving about 300 animals back to the rancher who owned them.

The dispute less than 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas between rancher Cliven Bundy and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management had simmered for days. Bundy had stopped paying fees for grazing his cattle on the government land and officials said he had ignored court orders.

Anti-government groups, right-wing politicians and gun-rights activists camped around Bundy's ranch to support him in a standoff that tapped into long-simmering anger in Nevada and other Western states, where vast tracts of land are owned and governed by federal agencies.

The bureau had called in a team of armed rangers to Nevada to seize the 1,000 head of cattle on Saturday but backed down in the interests of safety....






Moonhead -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 8:22:37 AM)

Pussies. They should just shoot, rather than try to seize, the cattle.
If the little cunt wants to whine about the Feds picking on him, give him something to whine about...




Musicmystery -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 8:40:36 AM)

That's $700,000 worth of cattle . . .




TheHeretic -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 9:13:03 AM)


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That's $700,000 worth of cattle . . .




Mmmmm... Barbeque...




jlf1961 -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 9:36:45 AM)

Actually, the BLM could really pull a fast one and place a lien on the idiot's land, or seize it for fees owed the federal government.

But I like Heretic's idea... Bar Be Que.




Musicmystery -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/13/2014 9:47:36 AM)

The nutsackers would complain about the cost of preparing the barbeque to taxpayers.




joether -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/14/2014 2:08:56 AM)

Once you pay money to the guy at the pump for gas to your car, the money is no longer yours to decide how its used within that company. Once you give your taxes to the US Government the same thing happens. It is not taxpayer money, its the US Government's money.

Now if that was a BBQ open to the public....




Moonhead -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/14/2014 5:24:14 AM)


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That's $700,000 worth of cattle . . .

I know. I'm sure if the meat was collected, it could be sold on, but leaving it for the twat and his entourage of survivalist militia wankers and tea party alleged libertarians to clean up the mess would make the point a lot more clearly. Besides, it's his loss, not anybody else's, and if he's too cheap to pay to feed them, then he isn't competent to keep them, is he.




subfever -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/14/2014 10:07:42 PM)

FR

Interesting perspective: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told




MrRodgers -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/14/2014 11:23:55 PM)


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Interesting perspective: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

Great link and I agree. This right left chicken fight is a large orchestrated distraction to keep us off the corrupt bankers and plutocrats. There will be a TARP II, just wait.




DomKen -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/15/2014 5:29:44 AM)

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Interesting perspective: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

Except for the little detail that that energy project has been canceled for over a year! And that that conspiracy theory has been all over already.

Again with reality
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-news/740-mw-solar-project-canceled-nevada




MrRodgers -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/15/2014 7:53:20 AM)


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Interesting perspective: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

Except for the little detail that that energy project has been canceled for over a year! And that that conspiracy theory has been all over already.

Again with reality
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-news/740-mw-solar-project-canceled-nevada


Oh it's dead for now...give it some time. (your source used the word...shelved) Cal. and surrounds will likely need it down the road.




jlf1961 -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/15/2014 8:43:44 AM)

For those who keep saying that it is state land\, it isnt, if it was, the Federal Bureau of Land Management would not be involved at all.

His argument is based on a law passed by Nevada annexing all federal land, which has been over turned in US v Gardener, which I have repeatedly posted links to, if anyone cared to read.

Furthermore, if it was state land, why the fuck is Nevada not saying shit about what is going on? The reason is simple, they do not have a dog in the fight.

People, do some research before you buy into the Alex Jones conspiracy theory bullshit.




DomKen -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/15/2014 8:44:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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FR

Interesting perspective: http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

Except for the little detail that that energy project has been canceled for over a year! And that that conspiracy theory has been all over already.

Again with reality
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-news/740-mw-solar-project-canceled-nevada


Oh it's dead for now...give it some time. (your source used the word...shelved) Cal. and surrounds will likely need it down the road.

It's not being built and it definitely wasn't being built 20 years ago when the asshole in question stopped paying to graze his cattle which is the real issue here. And the source actually used the word canceled. It is in the title of the article.




Musicmystery -> RE: War brewing in Nevada. (4/15/2014 9:57:57 AM)


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Once you pay money to the guy at the pump for gas to your car, the money is no longer yours to decide how its used within that company. Once you give your taxes to the US Government the same thing happens. It is not taxpayer money, its the US Government's money.

Now if that was a BBQ open to the public....



These the same nutsackers who went to Washington and had to be taught by the Republican leadership (literally) that they couldn't just stop the budget in the middle of a fiscal year?

I don't think reason is the issue . . .




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