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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
"Lower than expected" does not necessarily mean "lower". Since Americans were told they would save money and in many cases the cost actually increased; the phrase "lower than expected" has virtually no meaning. This is the same claptrap the left has been using to sell this bait and switch boondoggle to the public since day one.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
You might want to find out what the CBO actually does... The CBO report is about the cost to the government and what revenues the Obamacare Tax are likely to rake in. The CBO does not set the cost of policies under Obamacare, and CBO reports will not affect the cost of insurance on or off of the exchanges.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

your first link is nothing, your second one remains to be seen, it has created jobs, how many is still in the works.

how many jobs have the nutsackers created? (hint: it is a negative figure)

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Yes, well, in Realityland, the Congressional Budget Office says otherwise:

[link=[link=http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-thoughts-some-good-news-obamacare-n80711[/link]

That's a sorry-ass propaganda try. About as pathetic as an inflatable dominatrix.
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
"Lower than expected" does not necessarily mean "lower". Since Americans were told they would save money and in many cases the cost actually increased; the phrase "lower than expected" has virtually no meaning. This is the same claptrap the left has been using to sell this bait and switch boondoggle to the public since day one.

Lower than expected means, its lower that a previously held notion. When the Wall Street Journal states prices for coffee beans is 'lower than expected', it is often referring to some past idea that the cost would be higher or at an amount above what is now being reported. Either you didn't understand what that phrase means (i.e. intellectually deficient) or you did (i.e. intellectually dishonest). In either case, the argument of yours is a very poor one.

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I could explain how Americans have saved money, but your the type of individual that attacks the President, Democrats, and liberals, regardless if your information is factual (aka rarely is) or not (aka the generally observed behavioral pattern). If insurance companies raise the cost of a policy, you'll happily blame the government for the increase, inserting any of a hundred approved 'talking points' from the Tea Party....

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
You might want to find out what the CBO actually does... The CBO report is about the cost to the government and what revenues the Obamacare Tax are likely to rake in. The CBO does not set the cost of policies under Obamacare, and CBO reports will not affect the cost of insurance on or off of the exchanges.

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Why should he, when you clearly don't know what it is yourself! Directly from the source:

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"Since its founding in 1974, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has produced independent analyses of budgetary and economic issues to support the Congressional budget process. The agency is strictly nonpartisan and conducts objective, impartial analysis, which is evident in each of the dozens of reports and hundreds of cost estimates that its economists and policy analysts produce each year. All CBO employees are appointed solely on the basis of professional competence, without regard to political affiliation. CBO does not make policy recommendations, and each report and cost estimate discloses the agency’s assumptions and methodologies. All of CBO’s products apart from informal cost estimates for legislation being developed privately by Members of Congress or their staffs are available to the Congress and the public on CBO’s website."

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Congressional Budget Office

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
"Lower than expected" does not necessarily mean "lower". Since Americans were told they would save money and in many cases the cost actually increased; the phrase "lower than expected" has virtually no meaning. This is the same claptrap the left has been using to sell this bait and switch boondoggle to the public since day one.

Lower than expected means, its lower that a previously held notion. When the Wall Street Journal states prices for coffee beans is 'lower than expected', it is often referring to some past idea that the cost would be higher or at an amount above what is now being reported. Either you didn't understand what that phrase means (i.e. intellectually deficient) or you did (i.e. intellectually dishonest). In either case, the argument of yours is a very poor one.

Really? This stupid shit is what you came up with?

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ORIGINAL: joether
I could explain how Americans have saved money, but your the type of individual that attacks the President, Democrats, and liberals, regardless if your information is factual (aka rarely is) or not (aka the generally observed behavioral pattern). If insurance companies raise the cost of a policy, you'll happily blame the government for the increase, inserting any of a hundred approved 'talking points' from the Tea Party....

This sounds eerily similar to something someone said to you just the other day. The only difference is that then it was directed at your predictable Bush-bashing and general mudslinging at anything and anyone that doesn't align themselves with the lunatic fringe of the extreme left-wing of the Democratic party. It must be tough being such a hateful little man AND unoriginal to boot.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
And now we get to your point of telling me I'm wrong by proving that I'm right.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Reading is fundamental. Nothing you've quoted says anything other than what I stated about the CBO. They do not set prices or tax rates. They report on available information on tax rates and known prices to make projections based on the data they are given. Now, if you actually believe that they set prices or tax rates then perhaps you should try having an adult explain things to you before you just cut and paste shit.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Stick to coloring books.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
"Lower than expected" does not necessarily mean "lower". Since Americans were told they would save money and in many cases the cost actually increased; the phrase "lower than expected" has virtually no meaning. This is the same claptrap the left has been using to sell this bait and switch boondoggle to the public since day one.

Lower than expected means, its lower that a previously held notion. When the Wall Street Journal states prices for coffee beans is 'lower than expected', it is often referring to some past idea that the cost would be higher or at an amount above what is now being reported. Either you didn't understand what that phrase means (i.e. intellectually deficient) or you did (i.e. intellectually dishonest). In either case, the argument of yours is a very poor one.

Really? This stupid shit is what you came up with?

For 99.99999% of the planet, that's what it means. In your tiny little, fucked up, fantasy realm you reside in.....could mean something different. But for the rest of us, living in reality, that's the correct definition of the phrase.

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ORIGINAL: joether
I could explain how Americans have saved money, but your the type of individual that attacks the President, Democrats, and liberals, regardless if your information is factual (aka rarely is) or not (aka the generally observed behavioral pattern). If insurance companies raise the cost of a policy, you'll happily blame the government for the increase, inserting any of a hundred approved 'talking points' from the Tea Party....

This sounds eerily similar to something someone said to you just the other day. The only difference is that then it was directed at your predictable Bush-bashing and general mudslinging at anything and anyone that doesn't align themselves with the lunatic fringe of the extreme left-wing of the Democratic party. It must be tough being such a hateful little man AND unoriginal to boot.

Here's a news flash for you: Anyone not ultra-Nazi-like-on the-the-right, would appear extremely on the left. That would include the moderates and the left (not counting the really extreme left...like PETA...). In other words, you hate all the sane people in America.

BTW, I have not bashed any of the three Bushes (former President George Herbert Walker Bush, former President George Walker Bush, or former Governor Jeb Bush). Don't have any idea where your getting that information from, because its not even remotely true. Now what's the difference between how I talked about the Bush family here (and in past posts) and you? I show respect for my nation's government. I may dislike things all three have done, but at least I show I live in a civilized culture. Unlike you apparently....

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
And now we get to your point of telling me I'm wrong by proving that I'm right.

The answer you gave was incorrect! The answer I gave, was correct. Reason? You made up bat-shit crazy nonsense, while I looked to the source for the correct information.

The only way that you could be proved right, at this point, exists only in your deluded fantasies. Maybe you should seek professional therapy? The Affordable Care Act allows for mental/emotional health into insurance plans now....

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Reading is fundamental. Nothing you've quoted says anything other than what I stated about the CBO. They do not set prices or tax rates. They report on available information on tax rates and known prices to make projections based on the data they are given. Now, if you actually believe that they set prices or tax rates then perhaps you should try having an adult explain things to you before you just cut and paste shit.

The stuff I quoted? I was giving the correct information for what the CBO actually is, not the lame excuse for an answer you gave. The CBO's sole function was as I stated. Not my fault you get bad information.

I didn't need to quote any of the other material you had, since it was irrelevant. DaNewAgeViking posted the correct information that Phydeaux (per usual) couldn't be bothered to give in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Stick to coloring books.

-SD-

Why in hell would I lower myself down to your level?

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ORIGINAL: joether

This is the sort of thread the Moderators should just close down. If anything it should be deleted. It starts off hateful, and everyone joined in to keep that tempo up. There is no discussion or debate here for a civilized person to speak upon. Just insults, attacks, and 'my dad can beat up your dad' jabs here. This sort of material does nothing but fuel more anger and hatred into other threads. So yes, Moderators, close this thread down if not delete it!

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
Yes, well, in Realityland, the Congressional Budget Office says otherwise:
[link=[link=http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-thoughts-some-good-news-obamacare-n80711[/link]
That's a sorry-ass propaganda try. About as pathetic as an inflatable dominatrix.
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From the link: "Perhaps more importantly, the report says that health-care premiums are lower than originally expected -- the average cost of a “silver” plan is estimated to be about $3,800 in 2014, down from previous estimates."
A few years ago you could buy a very nice Prius for about 32 grand. It came with every bell and whistle (I bought one....incredible vehicle, leather everywhere, 6 CD changer, GPS....everything but an anti grav machine).
Obamacare is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than previous health care plans (which had 500 dollar and 1,000 dollar deductibles among other things).
Today, the same Prius I bought goes for about 38 grand, ironically, it still comes with a 6 CD changer and 4 tires.
Obamacare (now with 5,000 dollar deductibles among other things) is quite a bit cheaper.
So also would a Prius be if it came with 2 tires, no batteries, an offer of 8 bucks off of an iPod instead of an in dash 6 CD changer, and paper maps instead of a color touch screen GPS.
Unfortunately, Obamacare doesn't even offer that.
It offers a Suzuki 3 cylinder engine, vinyl seats, a.m. radio (optional) and roll up windows....vehicle.
And it's a lot cheaper.
If you love hamburger.
(And for those unfamiliar with history, more specifically, the history of govt. programs....it's hamburger this year).

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Obama (EXECUTIVE BRANCH) does not instruct the CBO (LEGISLATIVE BRANCH) in shit, read your constitution. Even nutsackers aren't that incompetent and stupid (by not too much though)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nope, the uneducated are the nutsackers, and proudly so.

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44176 nobody in the CBO was told how many would sign up or any other thing, all numbers were generated internally by CBO.