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chatterbox24 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 7:12:37 AM)
If you were given the opportunity to be the Authority I am quite curious of how you would want the Church to pay? What would the best outcome be in your eyes? Lets pretend you are the one calling the shots, what measures would you take? I mean the REAL MCCOY, THE REAL AUTHORITY. The best outcome.

MrBukani -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 7:21:13 AM)
Because nobody wants to pay the price for individual misconduct. Or do you mean the pope said fuck all children?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 7:27:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster politesub53/if the church is so holy as you say how could they allow this to continue for years Because of their sexual roots and traditions of Roman society, the RC church honestly believe that sex with prepubescent members of the same sex is not rape and is allowed. Thus, the leaders of the RC church adopted the same principals of the ruling classes of the time. However, the world has evolved a lot since then and such activity has been frowned upon for some centuries - even within the RC church itself. But because it's a 'long-standing' tradition from inception, it has been allowed to continue unabated. I eluded to this in an old post on a similar subject some while ago.

altoonamaster -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 7:28:39 AM)
given the amount of money the catholic church has/the enormous wealth in each church/let the victims deciede how they should pay

altoonamaster -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 7:34:41 AM)
in my area 5 victims have come forward telling of their abuse/the chruch was aware of this and relocated the priest

DomKen -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:15:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Why do you feel that the Church has an obligation to adjust to the times? Is this a moral obligation? quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy ... shows the leadership's mentality has not adjusted to the times. It damn well has to adjust to the loss of clerical immunity.

DomKen -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:23:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 If you were given the opportunity to be the Authority I am quite curious of how you would want the Church to pay? What would the best outcome be in your eyes? Lets pretend you are the one calling the shots, what measures would you take? I mean the REAL MCCOY, THE REAL AUTHORITY. The best outcome. All future accusations would be turned over to civil authorities. Any that were verified would result in defrocking and excommunication. All past accusations would be investigated by an independent group. Those that were deemed more likely than not to have happened the priest would be removed from all contact with children and put into therapy. The Church's assets would be liquidated as needed to assist in the therapy and medical needs of the victims as well as providing restitution. All candidates for the priesthood would be psychologically examined to try and prevent any more pedophiles entering the ranks.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:34:59 AM)
Cherokee Wisdom[/b Two Wolves One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith." The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?" The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:45:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The Church is exceedingly uncompromising. Hence, it is exceedingly stubborn. Its mission is to obey God, not you. The Church does not exist to please you nor to be pleasing to your mortal sensibilities. It is there to serve God. What does raping a nine month old baby so severely that she had to be rushed to the emergency room to stop the internal bleeding have to do with obeying god?

altoonamaster -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:51:31 AM)
criminal charges should be brought against all priests besides counseling

GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 8:52:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Why do you feel that the Church has an obligation to adjust to the times? Is this a moral obligation? I feel that the catholic church has a moral obligation not to help pedophiles rape babies. I don't feel that this should be considered "adjusting to the times" because causing internal bleeding in nine month old babies has always been harmful.

BenevolentM -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 10:30:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The Church is exceedingly uncompromising. Hence, it is exceedingly stubborn. Its mission is to obey God, not you. The Church does not exist to please you nor to be pleasing to your mortal sensibilities. It is there to serve God. quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel What does raping a nine month old baby so severely that she had to be rushed to the emergency room to stop the internal bleeding have to do with obeying god? It has to do with what I asked freedomdwarf1. quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Your posts show you to be one sick son-of-a-bitch of the lowest order. quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Is this also your opinion of Jesus Christ? Don't become ignorant all of a sudden. You who have read the Bible and are familiar with the atheist and likely Satanic arguments as well against Christianity. What Christ taught is not fully consistent with the teachings of this world. Forgiveness of sins? That is a radical concept for even today's world. Likely more so in the modern world than in the ancient. So we are at a cross roads. Either society embraces Satan or God. The crowd that convicted Christ knew what it was doing. What people do is terrible, but embracing Satan won't make your life better. So we are between a rock and a hard place. So what is new? As if this is the first time in human history that something bad has ever happened. Why do you put so much stock in this terrorist paradigm of yours where society is controlled through terror instead of so-called brain washing? No doubt you feel the Christian paradigm just doesn't work; it isn't effective. As if your approach is. Surely, you will live in paradise if you murder all the pedophiles. According to your argument Nazi Germany had it right. The only problem was it wasn't Jews who where the problem. It was the pedophiles, something that no one ever realized until today. Now we know what the real problem facing the modern world is. It is not the economy. Surely, the people who trashed the economy were pedophiles. There is tragedy and there is exploitation of a tragedy. So who is the real pedophile? The pedophile or the person who exploits the tragedy in the service of Satan? Who should we be more suspicious of? As a Christian I am suspicious of the person who exploits a tragedy in the service of Satan.

cloudboy -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 10:49:34 AM)
One reason to adjust to the times would be to avoid bankruptcy and a mass exodus of parishioners.

Politesub53 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 11:37:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster politesub53/if the church is so holy as you say how could they allow this to continue for years You have me confused with another. I have not, indeed will not, post any such thing.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 11:42:42 AM)
This sounds fair. Would the bashing stop? Would there be forgiveness? By gones be by gones? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 If you were given the opportunity to be the Authority I am quite curious of how you would want the Church to pay? What would the best outcome be in your eyes? Lets pretend you are the one calling the shots, what measures would you take? I mean the REAL MCCOY, THE REAL AUTHORITY. The best outcome. All future accusations would be turned over to civil authorities. Any that were verified would result in defrocking and excommunication. All past accusations would be investigated by an independent group. Those that were deemed more likely than not to have happened the priest would be removed from all contact with children and put into therapy. The Church's assets would be liquidated as needed to assist in the therapy and medical needs of the victims as well as providing restitution. All candidates for the priesthood would be psychologically examined to try and prevent any more pedophiles entering the ranks.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 12:20:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 This sounds fair. Would the bashing stop? Would there be forgiveness? By gones be by gones? Nope. All the while some ancient ecclesiastical perverts are allowed to rape children, the world will continue to bash and not forgive. And why should they?? Some things are forgivable. The raping of children by those we should be able to trust is one thing that isn't.

Phydeaux -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 2:09:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster politesub53/if the church is so holy as you say how could they allow this to continue for years Because of their sexual roots and traditions of Roman society, the RC church honestly believe that sex with prepubescent members of the same sex is not rape and is allowed. Thus, the leaders of the RC church adopted the same principals of the ruling classes of the time. However, the world has evolved a lot since then and such activity has been frowned upon for some centuries - even within the RC church itself. But because it's a 'long-standing' tradition from inception, it has been allowed to continue unabated. I eluded to this in an old post on a similar subject some while ago. Constantly ignored is that the rape of innocence in the Catholic Church b happens well below the incidence in Western society. This thread isn't about curing pedophile it's about Catholic bashing. Proving yet again there is no less tolerant group than liberal pc nazis.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 2:13:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Constantly ignored is that the rape of innocence in the Catholic Church b happens well below the incidence in Western society. This thread isn't about curing pedophile it's about Catholic bashing. Proving yet again there is no less tolerant group than liberal pc nazis. This thread is specifically ABOUT the RC church and their failure to address the pedophiles in their ranks. We are trying to keep on topic. What's your excuse for attempting to derail it??

GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 2:22:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 What would the best outcome be in your eyes? Lets pretend you are the one calling the shots, what measures would you take? So this is a question that every oranization that interacts with children has had to ponder, at this point there's no wheel reinventing necessary just look at what works. Background checks to keep pedophiles from getting in, don't let adults be alone with children, turn all allegations over to the police, don't employ known pedophiles in positions where they'll interact with children. But whatever is decided upon the policy absolutely should not consist of hiding the evidence, threatening the witnesses and moving the suspects to avoid prosecution.

PeonForHer -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/26/2014 2:28:22 PM)
quote: Thiis thread isn't about curing pedophile it's about Catholic bashing. Proving yet again there is no less tolerant group than liberal pc nazis. The only less tolerant group than the powers that be - the Catholic Church being without doubt one of these - is those who see it as their life's purpose to arselick the powers that be. Phydeaux, there isn't any way around this: the Catholic Church has radically and fundamentally fucked up. You are defending the indefensible. The game's up - that's all there is to it.

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