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thishereboi -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 5:42:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You can spin it anyway you like but the bottom line is you want to punish people for having more money than you. Actually, joether makes a very valid point. The purpose of a fine is to both punish and act as a deterrent. Let's say a fine for whatever infraction is $500. For a person making $20 per hour it takes 25 hours of labor...more than three days of work...to pay that fine. But if the person that commits the infraction makes $300 per hour it only takes them an hour and forty minutes of work. Exactly how is that fair? For the rich person the punishment isn't nearly as severe as the hardship presented to the common worker, and as a result it doesn't present nearly as much of a deterrent to keep them from doing it again. So, using the Mercedes-Benz example, what if the car was given to a poor person by a rich one? How do we value that? If a poor person is given a really nice car, should they give it away in order to avoid being considered "rich" and therefore subject to heavier fines and/or costs? Doesn't that sort of tell people that moving up the income ladder isn't worth doing? Personally, I don't care for the "car" basis. I think a more appropriate method would be a percentage of income, perhaps based on the previous years taxes. Just a suggestion. Other methods are certainly possible. I don't know that there is a perfect way of doing it, but the current method definitely favors the people with higher incomes. Why stop at fines if we really want things to be fair. After all a lobster dinner costs me a bigger percent of my income than it does someone like Obama. Why should I have to pay more to eat. That's not fair. So maybe we should start basing all costs on what a person is worth. And those who make under poverty can just get shit for free. That way little johnny will have the proper motivation to sit on his ass and collect a state check instead of trying to support himself. But that's only fair right? Or even better, lets put a cap on how much money a person can have. When they hit that cap any extra is just deposited in an account for those who don't have. In fact didn't Rosanne or someone like that just suggest this. I think they put the cap at about 2 mil more than they were worth. What a surprise.

jlf1961 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 5:47:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You can spin it anyway you like but the bottom line is you want to punish people for having more money than you. Actually, joether makes a very valid point. The purpose of a fine is to both punish and act as a deterrent. Let's say a fine for whatever infraction is $500. For a person making $20 per hour it takes 25 hours of labor...more than three days of work...to pay that fine. But if the person that commits the infraction makes $300 per hour it only takes them an hour and forty minutes of work. Exactly how is that fair? For the rich person the punishment isn't nearly as severe as the hardship presented to the common worker, and as a result it doesn't present nearly as much of a deterrent to keep them from doing it again. So, using the Mercedes-Benz example, what if the car was given to a poor person by a rich one? How do we value that? If a poor person is given a really nice car, should they give it away in order to avoid being considered "rich" and therefore subject to heavier fines and/or costs? Doesn't that sort of tell people that moving up the income ladder isn't worth doing? Personally, I don't care for the "car" basis. I think a more appropriate method would be a percentage of income, perhaps based on the previous years taxes. Just a suggestion. Other methods are certainly possible. I don't know that there is a perfect way of doing it, but the current method definitely favors the people with higher incomes. Why stop at fines if we really want things to be fair. After all a lobster dinner costs me a bigger percent of my income than it does someone like Obama. Why should I have to pay more to eat. That's not fair. So maybe we should start basing all costs on what a person is worth. And those who make under poverty can just get shit for free. That way little johnny will have the proper motivation to sit on his ass and collect a state check instead of trying to support himself. But that's only fair right? Or even better, lets put a cap on how much money a person can have. When they hit that cap any extra is just deposited in an account for those who don't have. In fact didn't Rosanne or someone like that just suggest this. I think they put the cap at about 2 mil more than they were worth. What a surprise. What does this have to do with deporting a person who is clearly a Canadian plot against humanity?

KYsissy -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 7:29:23 AM)
It is fun to see an expensive car parked in front of a hydrant when a fire breaks out and the FD needs that hydrant. The hose ALWAYS gets routed through the car.

sloguy02246 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 8:49:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy It is fun to see an expensive car parked in front of a hydrant when a fire breaks out and the FD needs that hydrant. The hose ALWAYS gets routed through the car. I laughed out loud when I read this because I actually saw such a thing happen many years ago in my old neighborhood. Although the car in question wasn't an expensive model, I do remember thinking at the time, "Serves that pompous jerk right for parking in front of a hydrant in the first place."

jlf1961 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 10:04:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy It is fun to see an expensive car parked in front of a hydrant when a fire breaks out and the FD needs that hydrant. The hose ALWAYS gets routed through the car. Not always, we have an old money section of town referred to as "The Hill." There was a fire up there last week, and someone's brand new $100K plus BMW was parked in front of the hydrant. The fire department, having recently dealt with some one else on the hill screaming about a broken window in their car, opted to not break the windows. The simply used one of the fire trucks that happened to have a Brush guard made of 2 inch diameter steel pipe to move the car out of the way. Since the street had a hard right turn to and continued across a creek bed. The owner had to have the beamer towed out of the creek bed. Unfortunately the creek was dry. Damn Drought.

DesideriScuri -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 11:14:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You can spin it anyway you like but the bottom line is you want to punish people for having more money than you. Actually, joether makes a very valid point. The purpose of a fine is to both punish and act as a deterrent. Let's say a fine for whatever infraction is $500. For a person making $20 per hour it takes 25 hours of labor...more than three days of work...to pay that fine. But if the person that commits the infraction makes $300 per hour it only takes them an hour and forty minutes of work. Exactly how is that fair? For the rich person the punishment isn't nearly as severe as the hardship presented to the common worker, and as a result it doesn't present nearly as much of a deterrent to keep them from doing it again. Look at it another way, igor. If it's not a deterrent to the "rich guy," he'll continue to park there and continue to pay the fines. Mo' money for the government. [image]http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2014/04/10/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/Eastiefire03.jpg[/image] When push comes to shove, it's not going to be too tough for that rich guy to be deterred.

DesideriScuri -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 11:18:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You can spin it anyway you like but the bottom line is you want to punish people for having more money than you. Actually, joether makes a very valid point. The purpose of a fine is to both punish and act as a deterrent. Let's say a fine for whatever infraction is $500. For a person making $20 per hour it takes 25 hours of labor...more than three days of work...to pay that fine. But if the person that commits the infraction makes $300 per hour it only takes them an hour and forty minutes of work. Exactly how is that fair? For the rich person the punishment isn't nearly as severe as the hardship presented to the common worker, and as a result it doesn't present nearly as much of a deterrent to keep them from doing it again. So, using the Mercedes-Benz example, what if the car was given to a poor person by a rich one? How do we value that? If a poor person is given a really nice car, should they give it away in order to avoid being considered "rich" and therefore subject to heavier fines and/or costs? Doesn't that sort of tell people that moving up the income ladder isn't worth doing? Imagine if a limo parked in front of a hydrant. The "owner" of that car isn't necessarily the person that parked the car. And, "the rich guy" who is being tooled around in it may not own it, either. Who would have to pay the fine: the driver, the owner of the limo company (assuming he isn't the driver and had nothing to do with the decision to park in front of the hydrant), or the fare (assuming he doesn't own the car, and had nothing to do with the decision to park in front of the hydrant)?

jlf1961 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 11:21:00 AM)
As for parking in front of a hydrant, dont firemen have those saws that will cut through anything, why not cut the car in half?

DesideriScuri -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 11:26:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 As for parking in front of a hydrant, dont firemen have those saws that will cut through anything, why not cut the car in half? I've seen a car cut in half in under 10 minutes. It wasn't a "street-ready" car, though. It didn't have seats, so the Lenox salesman only had to cut through the shell. I'm guessing it's faster to bust the windows and run the hose that way. Most likely, the fire department isn't primarily concerned with causing damage to the car, but in fighting the fire.

KYsissy -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 11:56:22 AM)
I used to know a Chicago fireman. He LOVED to poke out the windows and run the hose through the car. That was the bonus on top of making the idiot be the last one who gets to leave the scene.

RottenJohnny -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 3:40:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 What does this have to do with deporting a person who is clearly a Canadian plot against humanity? Not a freakin' thing...unless he's the rich guy that parks his Mercedes-Benz in front of fire hydrants...at which point, we should deport him.

RottenJohnny -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 3:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether It would be the base line of the fine plus the current worth of the car. One would hope that rich person is helping the poor person out in life, instead of screwing him/her. And also the judge/jury may impose a different type of penalty that is more 'reasonable'. Really? Are you going to demand a judge and jury get involved over a simple parking ticket? How much will that cost? Will it be more than the fine?

tj444 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 4:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But he's Canadian, eh? ummmm.. so? Would ya'll still want to deport him to Canada if he was American? [:-] Ha, you wouldn't be able to do that tho.. no matter how damn much ya wanted to!.. [:D] Quite frankly, he is an embarrassment, imo.. however, he is doing some of the same shite Americans do.. so really,.. its all your fault! ya'll have been a bad influence on a previously nice clean-cut Canadian boy! He wasn't this way until America got ahold of him and corrupted him with your wild American ways! [sm=rant.gif] I hope he smartens up cuz his sleazy hangers-on are gonna leave him alone & broke one day when he runs outta money.. [8\|]

jlf1961 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 4:31:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But he's Canadian, eh? ummmm.. so? Would ya'll still want to deport him to Canada if he was American? [:-] Ha, you wouldn't be able to do that tho.. no matter how damn much ya wanted to!.. [:D] Quite frankly, he is an embarrassment, imo.. however, he is doing some of the same shite Americans do.. so really,.. its all your fault! ya'll have been a bad influence on a previously nice clean-cut Canadian boy! He wasn't this way until America got ahold of him and corrupted him with your wild American ways! [sm=rant.gif] I hope he smartens up cuz his sleazy hangers-on are gonna leave him alone & broke one day when he runs outta money.. [8\|] Are you for real? Let me guess, John Candy, Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, Eugene Levy, Seth Rogen, Celine Dion and Shania Twain turning into adult delinquents and not so good singers is our fault too? Keep that up and we will exile George Bush, Obama, and Cliven Bundy to our wonderful neighbor country up north. (Yeah I know, the United States cannot technically exile people, however we may make an exception for the ones, listed, Bush claims to have God telling him what to do, Obama is clearly delusional, and Cliven Bundy, well the Canadians need some nut case to challenge the government.

Musicmystery -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/22/2014 5:44:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But he's Canadian, eh? ummmm.. so? Would ya'll still want to deport him to Canada if he was American? [:-] Ha, you wouldn't be able to do that tho.. no matter how damn much ya wanted to!.. [:D] Quite frankly, he is an embarrassment, imo.. however, he is doing some of the same shite Americans do.. so really,.. its all your fault! ya'll have been a bad influence on a previously nice clean-cut Canadian boy! He wasn't this way until America got ahold of him and corrupted him with your wild American ways! [sm=rant.gif] I hope he smartens up cuz his sleazy hangers-on are gonna leave him alone & broke one day when he runs outta money.. [8\|] What do you mean, ummm so? You said it's the American way, I said he's Canadian. Try to follow your own points! ;-)

tj444 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/23/2014 9:11:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But he's Canadian, eh? ummmm.. so? Would ya'll still want to deport him to Canada if he was American? [:-] Ha, you wouldn't be able to do that tho.. no matter how damn much ya wanted to!.. [:D] Quite frankly, he is an embarrassment, imo.. however, he is doing some of the same shite Americans do.. so really,.. its all your fault! ya'll have been a bad influence on a previously nice clean-cut Canadian boy! He wasn't this way until America got ahold of him and corrupted him with your wild American ways! [sm=rant.gif] I hope he smartens up cuz his sleazy hangers-on are gonna leave him alone & broke one day when he runs outta money.. [8\|] What do you mean, ummm so? You said it's the American way, I said he's Canadian. Try to follow your own points! ;-) he started out as a Canadian, now he is that in name only..

tj444 -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (4/23/2014 9:23:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Are you for real? Let me guess, John Candy, Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, Eugene Levy, Seth Rogen, Celine Dion and Shania Twain turning into adult delinquents and not so good singers is our fault too? Keep that up and we will exile George Bush, Obama, and Cliven Bundy to our wonderful neighbor country up north. (Yeah I know, the United States cannot technically exile people, however we may make an exception for the ones, listed, Bush claims to have God telling him what to do, Obama is clearly delusional, and Cliven Bundy, well the Canadians need some nut case to challenge the government. Shania is the smartest of the bunch.. she may have a recent short-term gig in Vegas but she has residence/homes elsewhere (Switzerland, NZ, the Bahamas).. no reason why she should want to pay US tax (or more than necessary).. Sorry but I am not impressed by the rest on your list so ya can keep em.. [:D] I think the difference between them and the Bebs is that he was a lot younger when he got here & so his brain wasn't fully developed yet.. [;)]

Musicmystery -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (5/1/2014 9:37:44 AM)
[image]http://atcen.reyesoft.org/carteles/desmotivaciones/yourowndemotivational-ive-come-for-the-one-they-call-bieber-646203.jpg[/image]

RottenJohnny -> RE: He has the chance to do one thing right... (5/1/2014 9:47:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery [image]http://atcen.reyesoft.org/carteles/desmotivaciones/yourowndemotivational-ive-come-for-the-one-they-call-bieber-646203.jpg[/image] ...because it's time for him to get "experienced".

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