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huckhound -> giving up control. (4/21/2014 12:14:25 AM)

I have always thought of myself as a submissive. And I thought I was a pretty good one, too. I never had a Master or dominant or anything, but I liked the idea of submitting to someone, and I'm kinky, I have a laundry list of fetishes, and the idea of Bondage has always been something I thought was amazing.

Well, a while back I had a couple of experiences with a dominant friend. And I realized I have a really bad problem, apparently. Basically: I couldn't give up the control to her in the situation. I kept trying to tell her how to tie me up, how to do things better, when we should be done... I just couldn't accept that she was in control of the situation...

Does anyone else have this problem sometimes? Is there any easy way to get over it?




Lec -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 3:53:11 AM)

two words - ball gag

now seriously, talk to her, but before the scene, try to trust her. If she's trustworthy, there's nothing to be afraid of.




orgasmdenial12 -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 4:40:02 AM)

Perhaps you just didn't respect her abilities. Not all Doms do play the way we like to do play or the way we think it ought to be done. You won't be compatible with every Domme, you have to find one that you are compatible with.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 5:50:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: huckhound

I have always thought of myself as a submissive. And I thought I was a pretty good one, too. I never had a Master or dominant or anything, but I liked the idea of submitting to someone, and I'm kinky, I have a laundry list of fetishes, and the idea of Bondage has always been something I thought was amazing.

Well, a while back I had a couple of experiences with a dominant friend. And I realized I have a really bad problem, apparently. Basically: I couldn't give up the control to her in the situation. I kept trying to tell her how to tie me up, how to do things better, when we should be done... I just couldn't accept that she was in control of the situation...

Does anyone else have this problem sometimes? Is there any easy way to get over it?



OK first off, and I don't mean this with any snark: what makes you think you are a good submissive?

You've mentioned that you have a lot of fetishes and bondage sounds exciting. But you hadn't experienced submitting. And let's be honest, none of us really know whether reality and fantasy will match up. It might be that you don't really want to submit (in the sense of actually following someone else's lead and doing what THEY want, over what you want) - maybe you just want to have some specific acts carried out on you. We would usually call that being a 'bottom' - you want to receive a beating, or be the one who gets tied up or whatever your kink is, but not to actually exchange power. And there is NOTHING wrong with that at all. I'm not trying to be pedantic over terminology, I just think sometimes when we are new to the scene we might not know how the terms are usually understood.

So you had some experiences, but found that you wanted them to go exactly as you imagined in your mind. It doesn't sound like you enjoyed her being in charge, since she obviously had her own ideas about how things should be done. So perhaps you are a bottom, and need a play partner with whom you can either bark out instructions during play, or negotiate very thoroughly so you know exactly what you are getting. You are more likely to find someone to do this with if you are willing to take turns calling the shots so she gets what she wants too.

Now perhaps you are a submissive, but you just don't gel with this particular domme. Or you just need time and practice to get into it. Or your kinks aren't quite the same as you thought they would be, now that you've tried them in person ( I think lots of us go through that to some extent). In which case it comes down to finding someone you trust and keep experimenting.

If you do feel comfortable, you do trust her, you're sure you want to give up power etc, then the answer is both simple and very difficult - just shut up and submit. Practice. Remind yourself frequently that you are not in charge and she is the boss. You do as she says. Submitting means accepting that things won't always be exactly how you like it. It means putting someone else's decisions and preferences above your own, and that can be tough. But here's the thing - that's what 'submit' means. I've been there. I bet there's not a sub on this site who hasn't, at least once, wished they could just have something their own way. But we shut up and do as we're told because that is submission.




DarkSteven -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 6:14:31 AM)

What Athena said.

It's you. Or it's her. Or it's the mesh between you two. Or a combination.

Hell, it could be that there was some other factor making it "off", and that if the two of you played again it would work.




angelikaJ -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 6:35:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: huckhound

I have always thought of myself as a submissive. And I thought I was a pretty good one, too. I never had a Master or dominant or anything, but I liked the idea of submitting to someone, and I'm kinky, I have a laundry list of fetishes, and the idea of Bondage has always been something I thought was amazing.

Well, a while back I had a couple of experiences with a dominant friend. And I realized I have a really bad problem, apparently. Basically: I couldn't give up the control to her in the situation. I kept trying to tell her how to tie me up, how to do things better, when we should be done... I just couldn't accept that she was in control of the situation...

Does anyone else have this problem sometimes? Is there any easy way to get over it?


You thought you were a "pretty good one" because you did not realise that submission is not something that is passive.
One really needs someone to submit to, in order to submit.

Having a laundry list of fetishes does not mean you are submissive; it may mean you are a kinky bottom, and you just like having kinky, fetish-y things done to you. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is not the same thing as being submissive.

Submission does involve actively giving up control to a dominant partner.
Sometimes that can evolve over time.
Sometimes you can find it with one partner but not another.
Sometimes it isn't there at all: you need to be willing to cede control, and that may not be a part of your makeup.




DesFIP -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 8:40:20 AM)

Not everyone who is dominant is someone you feel is dominant to you. It can well be person specific.

I submit to one and one only. I wouldn't allow someone else control over me. If we were negotiating for play, damn straight I would be making clear exactly what I wanted done and what I wouldn't allow. Because until the other person proves to me through a history of shared interactions that I could respect their decision making enough to allow them control, they don't get it.

However, for the future make it clear what you do and don't want to do before things start. During ruins the mood for everyone.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 9:47:46 AM)

~FRing it~

Perhaps your friend is dominant, but just not the right kind of dominant for you?

Do you think that your admitted laundry list of kinks might have you wanting what you want when you want it, rather than being able to submit to someone and let them handle things their way?

I'm asking these questions not to criticize you, OP. I'm asking so you can do some self-analyzing about things and hopefully help guide you on the right way for you. A personal example that I can draw upon is that both my guy and I struggled in the beginning of our relationship with being able to let go. We are both long-time dominants prior to meeting each other two years ago. We switch exclusively with each other, so it's been a big learning experience for both of us. It took time and developing the deep trust we have for each of us to just be able to let go and live in the moment.

There is no easy way of doing this. I think you just have to figure out the whys behind why you struggled to submit to this dominant. It will serve you well for future endeavors.




InHisHeart -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 12:22:34 PM)

As the others said, you having trouble giving up control could be for many different reasons. Dig inside of yourself and try to figure out what it is that's holding you back.

For me to give up all control takes having complete trust in the Dom. Once I have established the level of trust I need to have in him then I'm all his to do with as he pleases. The only time I ever tell him what I want and how I want X, Y or Z done is when he tells me to tell him beforehand what I want. That doesn't always mean I'll get things done the way I want, I might, I might not.




DesFIP -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 1:00:02 PM)

Also we didn't start with me giving up control. We started by sharing a list of the top ten things we each wanted to do and then only did the things common to both lists. That guaranteed a mutually satisfactory scene. We moved onto the non shared stuff only after we had become comfortable with each other. And control came way later.




anniezz338 -> RE: giving up control. (4/21/2014 1:15:14 PM)

You may be more of a bottom than a sub.




huckhound -> RE: giving up control. (4/23/2014 6:09:02 AM)

Wow, thank you all for so many replies. :)

I think a big part of it, for me at least, is a little bit of anxiety. I'm really used to having everything else in my life under control, taking care of myself and everyone, being assertive and dominant, and it feels like a huge leap of faith to let go of that feeling and let someone else have control.

And seekingtrinity, I think you had a point, too. It is not always easy to just relax and let someone else do what they feel like doing instead of the things I might want from the situation, I assume that's kind of a common problem for younger submissives. :P




Ravensnake -> RE: giving up control. (4/23/2014 12:24:44 PM)

If you're telling your friend what to do, i.e how to tie you up, etc, you are still very much in control, still the dominant one. Either your friend is not dominant enough or you're too anxious to submit.




ThundersCry54 -> RE: giving up control. (4/25/2014 9:35:53 PM)

You look young to me, just by looking at your pic...
Did I ever have a problem giving up control? Of course...kick, fought and scratched all the way!
You will get there...just enjoy the...ride!
Like someone else stated...your just bottoming at this point...nothing wrong with that!
Or...screw it, take some risks and jump off the "cliff"...lol...you may live to tell about...it!
Have fun!




KnightofMists -> RE: giving up control. (4/26/2014 4:44:07 PM)

One of the things I notice with people in newer situations or experiences is they have a fantasy in their head that they are trying to actualize. This can be problematic for the S-types when the d-types are not following said script of the fantasy.





bowedB4Women -> RE: giving up control. (4/26/2014 6:39:27 PM)

Idk, my thought is a real Dommie isn't gonna allow your input at that point. Any needs should have been discussed prior. Now you went and ruined an awesome experience. How do you know the way she did it wouldn't have became your thing, and also to me I almost expect omnipotence from Dommie, she knows exactly what she's doing. ( even if she's unsure, or learning, she's going to figure it out ) :-) She is cunning, adept, and don't ask me if she really exists. Lol




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