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The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/21/2014 4:17:07 AM

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That's right. Those evil rightists have $31M in their war chest to keep control of the house, according to NRCC filings due on Sunday.

They're ready to spend as much as necessary to keep control.

Of course, the "good guys" have $40M but, they're the "good guys" so, that's okay.

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The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised $10.3 million in March despite deep skepticism that Republicans can lose their majority in November. Its $40 million in savings puts it atop the fundraising contest among party-directed campaign committees and outpaced most three-month fundraising tallies released thus far from super political action committees, which can accept unlimited donations. Donations to party-run campaign committee are capped at $32,400.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/21/2014 9:11:12 AM

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I don't get it. What's your beef?

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/21/2014 9:15:53 AM

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He is disingenuously pointing out that the up front money is slightly higher at the DNC in gross terms, not accounting for their debt, which would make them considerably lower in warchest.

Of course the republicans get most of their warchest in the hidden money out of superPACS and so on.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/21/2014 11:12:01 AM

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That's right. Those evil rightists have $31M in their war chest to keep control of the house, according to NRCC filings due on Sunday.

They're ready to spend as much as necessary to keep control.

Of course, the "good guys" have $40M but, they're the "good guys" so, that's okay.

And much of that money will be spent on finding new and irritating ways to annoy TV and radio listeners with endless campaign commercials (not to mention all the junk mail and recorded telephone messages). The last time around was probably one of the worst campaign seasons I've ever seen - in terms of the constant barrage of political commercials.

None of them are "good guys," as their commercials say nothing, and their speeches and rhetoric don't offer much better.

And the only reason big money is involved in these campaigns is because it works. The public still eats it up, and this is how elections are won.

Both parties are clearly the "big money" parties, but big money doesn't always come from the same sources. I'm not sure that it always goes to the same places or passes through "official" channels every time. The Republicans may have a little bit less on the books right now, although it's too soon to tell who will have the larger war chest closer to election time. It stands to reason that they would have a bit less, if only because their membership is smaller than that of the Democrats.

However, I think the Republicans' reputation as the "big money party" is not so much rooted in where their campaign money comes from (although that may be part of it), as much as the policies they propose and the perceived beneficiaries of those policies. At least, when I was growing up, it was commonly said that "the Republicans were just for the rich, while the Democrats were the party of the working man." As I got a bit older and wiser, I realized that was only partially true.

Also, I would tend to think that, in terms of political campaign donations, the big-time donors probably hedge their bets and donate to both parties a certain amount. They're not just thinking in terms of which party they believe in politically or ideologically, but also they have to be practical and make friends with whichever party they think is going to win.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/22/2014 3:02:24 AM

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The impression gained in this part of the world is that the really serious money is in the PACs, not the political parties themselves. This is due to the looser rules applying to donations to PACs and their greater freedom of activity.

So,to me, it isn't that important how much money a given party may have in the bank. What really counts are the funds controlled by PACs supporting the party's candidates. That is what seems to buy victory in the US electoral system, and equally, that part of the election process that is crying out desperately for genuine reform.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/27/2014 8:22:42 AM

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Normal,thoughtful,thinking folks feel that the "party of big money" are those that serve big money`s interests.... That......would bethe geopee.....Duh!...

Sure there are SOME dems who get SOME corporate/polluter money.....and there are SOME cons who don`t always vote against the consumer/environmental/poor/black/LGBT interests......It`s a big ,diverse country where politics is local.

But by and large.........democrats are the only folks fighting against corporate America`s attack on Americans.....and against the geopee`s war on secular America and women`s rights, the nra.....and the only folks standing up to clive bundy extremism....And the geopee by and large are the folks working FOR these PsOS.

That`s why we`re getting lots and lots on small donations.....adding up to a lot of money.....

And....as we`ve learned in our party......these good Americans...... who tend to give a hundred here,twenty five there....are also more likely to vote .........which scares the piss out of the geopee.I`m ok with the scotus decision on on donations.....We`ll (normal,thinking moderate Americans) will adjust and I got a feeling one day soon, the geopee will regret unlimited political donations....

The day the scotus rules that billionaire douche bags get more than one vote.....just because they got rich......is the day I`ll worry....

Our`s is a populist political movement that unabashedly and consciously works for the interests of the middle/working class and poor,elderly and vulnerable.

We`ll take the votes

(the ones the geopee don`t suppress) and the geopee can brown nose all the koch-money they want.

Don`t the koch-suckers realize that buying every TV ad slot doesn`t trump the fucking internetz and social media?

They can buy up every commercial minute and spend trillions..........................it still won`t make corporate whores look like working class heroes

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/27/2014 8:25:07 PM

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...corporate America`s attack on Americans...

You wanna be a little more specific about that? Because sometimes I get the feeling people expect global businesses to act with some level of patriotism toward whatever country they happen to be based in and that simply isn't a requirement of trade. That being said, it would be nice if they did but in the interest of making profits, it probably ain't gonna happen.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 7:46:07 AM

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Because sometimes I get the feeling people expect global businesses to act with some level of patriotism toward whatever country they happen to be based in and that simply isn't a requirement of trade. That being said, it would be nice if they did but in the interest of making profits, it probably ain't gonna happen.

I don't know that patriotism is a requirement for anyone, no matter if they're in business or if they're just an ordinary citizen. I think that every citizen has a right to be patriotic or to not be patriotic, depending on his/her own beliefs, experiences, and set of values.

However, I've encountered a great many people who have made exhortations to "patriotism" when it comes to supporting militarism and global interventionism - who also overlap with the same factions which support "free trade" and outsourcing. Those who call themselves "patriots" only when it's convenient for them, while throwing patriotism to the four winds when it comes to profits, that doesn't really look too good.

It makes one wonder just what is true "patriotism" anymore.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 7:54:14 AM

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My main concern is that they elect someone really good looking.

Ok, how about honest? and well good looking.

sorry I took the red pill today.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 8:00:10 AM

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That won't be Hillary then.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 8:02:38 AM

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That won't be Hillary then.

Folks....come '16' , the lunatic fringe will mysteriously switch from primarily racist ........ to primarily sexist.....

You heard it here 1st.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 11:50:23 AM

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That won't be Hillary then.

Folks....come '16' , the lunatic fringe will mysteriously switch from primarily racist ........ to primarily sexist.....

You heard it here 1st.

They won't actually change at all, but that won't stop some partisan hacks from lying and claiming they have. The phrase "pig in lipstick" was funny as hell when applied to Palin, but I doubt it will be taken the same way when applied to Clinton. Of course at that point the fuckwads on the right will suddenly understand how ugly the phrase is, so it will all even out in the end.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 12:14:58 PM

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...corporate America`s attack on Americans...

You wanna be a little more specific about that? Because sometimes I get the feeling people expect global businesses to act with some level of patriotism toward whatever country they happen to be based in and that simply isn't a requirement of trade. That being said, it would be nice if they did but in the interest of making profits, it probably ain't gonna happen.

Well the thinking is that because it is society and the govt. that society institutes that empowers the corp. to privately profit without private liability, kill people through profit-seeking disregard for safety regs. without being charged with corp. manslaughter, to record profits off shore and leave it off shore to escape taxes one has a legitimate intellectual desire to know why they even exist.

So, the very concept that corps. have a right to exist, one must recognize that it is their financial fiduciary responsibility...to 'attack' Americans at least financially and it appears criminally. And...everybody else for that matter.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:21:44 PM

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I don't know that patriotism is a requirement for anyone, no matter if they're in business or if they're just an ordinary citizen. I think that every citizen has a right to be patriotic or to not be patriotic, depending on his/her own beliefs, experiences, and set of values.

Agreed.

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However, I've encountered a great many people who have made exhortations to "patriotism" when it comes to supporting militarism and global interventionism - who also overlap with the same factions which support "free trade" and outsourcing. Those who call themselves "patriots" only when it's convenient for them, while throwing patriotism to the four winds when it comes to profits, that doesn't really look too good.

It makes one wonder just what is true "patriotism" anymore.

I understand what you're saying, Zonie, but doesn't everyone define it differently anyway? Kind of like "Christian", "Liberal", "Conservative", "Master", or "Slave"? Is there any one definition that can be considered "true"?

I can only tell you this much...I define my patriotism by looking for appropriate ways to increase and maintain the freedoms of the individual as provided for in our founding documents. For the most part, that means voting for those things I view as reducing the authority of the group or the state over citizens.

Take the ACA for example...

As far as I'm concerned, if the population wants to regulate the health insurance industry into dust, I could care less. But when it comes to things like the federal mandate to purchase insurance, I'll oppose that until the day I'm dead. In my view, it's a violation of everyone's right to freedom of choice. In other words, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Does that actually make me patriotic? I guess that's up for debate.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:32:56 PM

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More like folks are enjoying the freedom not be turned into dust by the health insurance industry and the geopee......

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:33:45 PM

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Well the thinking is that because it is society and the govt. that society institutes that empowers the corp. to privately profit without private liability, kill people through profit-seeking disregard for safety regs. without being charged with corp. manslaughter, to record profits off shore and leave it off shore to escape taxes one has a legitimate intellectual desire to know why they even exist.

So, the very concept that corps. have a right to exist, one must recognize that it is their financial fiduciary responsibility...to 'attack' Americans at least financially and it appears criminally. And...everybody else for that matter.

Not that long ago there was a thread about a disaster in North Carolina (if I recall correctly) that someone tried to blame on the Republicans. My response was basically, "blame the company" and a bunch of people lost their fucking minds over that idea. The point is, I understand if what Owner was referring to is the lack of business ethics in many corporate halls these days. But if he means that corporations are no longer investing in Americans financially then I have to say that they are under no obligation to do so.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:37:05 PM

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More like folks are enjoying the freedom not be turned into dust by the health insurance industry and the geopee......

If you're afraid of being turned into dust by the health insurance industry then don't participate with it.

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:42:22 PM

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That we can`t have a productive economy and clean environment is a myth.

Of course, we let koch industries dump their waste into the local streams and lakes or fill our air with lead......they`ll make more money.

Normal folks won`t trade their health and home so that the koch bros can make 210 billion, instead of 200 billion.....

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 3:51:21 PM

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Normal folks won`t trade their health and home so that the koch bros can make 210 billion, instead of 200 billion.....

Where did I suggest that they should?

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RE: The "Big Money Party" Banks $31M - 4/28/2014 4:01:27 PM

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Don`t be so defensive.....it wasn`t directed at you.

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