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ORIGINAL: JeffBC


We have a poster on these forums who likes her play pretty damned rough... rough enough that it's not impossible to imagine being thrown around and something going wrong and presto, broken bone. I personally find this poster entirely level-headed and sensible in every respect. She just grooves on the extremes of real fear.

My own opinion is that bodies suffer injuries in the pursuit of fun all the time. I might quite a bit more likely break something roller-blading and I would see such a thing as "risk aware consensual roller blading".

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ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel


Also keep in mind that not a single case in the UK, when both parties testified, has resulted in those parties being found guilty. The police are well aware that this sort of case is expensive and a waste of time because up to now every case has been laughed out of court by the judge. For this reason, the law isn't likely to come after a couple or a group that claim their bruises were administered during a consensual act.

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ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel

In the UK SM activity is an illegal assault if it results in marks or injuries which are more than transient and trifling http://www.spannertrust.org/documents/smandthelaw.asp

Keep in mind, it is illegal to consent to SM activities that result in more than transient or trifling injuries. This means both the masochist and the sadist could be found equally guilty. The problem with this is, harsh play casual relationships become risky because if the masochist feels threatened by the law, she/he may just cry assault.

Also keep in mind that not a single case in the UK, when both parties testified, has resulted in those parties being found guilty. The police are well aware that this sort of case is expensive and a waste of time because up to now every case has been laughed out of court by the judge. For this reason, the law isn't likely to come after a couple or a group that claim their bruises were administered during a consensual act.

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ORIGINAL: Pyramus

In California, there is no such thing as consensual BDSM.
If there are "marks", the law has been broken.
Consensual or not.

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ORIGINAL: Rhodhissian

In the south I believe the line is pretty much drawn at practicing medicine without a license typically. So if you give your loved one prescription or street drugs, perform any kind of surgery where you are actually removing something, breaking bones for "therapeutic" reasons, etc. You can be charged with something. Unless you claim to be a doctor, that someth9ng will notnactually *be* practicing meeicine without a license, but some manner of aiding and abetting, assault, battery, indecent liberties, etc.

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ORIGINAL: imtempting

My opinion is if you need to go to a doctor over injuries in bdsm then the play has gone too far. If someone likes their arms broken then they need help professionally. There is something not right if someone likes their arm broken for fun.

When I was in high school, I had a crush on a boy who was into motocross (spelling?). At one time or another, through numerous accidents, he had managed to break almost every bone in his body (excluding back bones and skull). He wouldn't quit his sport because it was FUN. If people can do this with sports or whatever...

Point two... Spit happens. Even with competent people who are careful with safeties. (BDSM is not some magical zone where we're exempted from weird sh*t happening.) A bone could be broken when it "shouldn't have" because the bottom has some unknown medical problem like brittle bones, cancer in that area, etc. The bottom could be tied up, suspended, and have chest pain...a possible heart attack, and I can imagine both partners struggling to put things to rights before the ambulance arrives (for privacy reasons)...AND getting fubared, having a fall that breaks a bone.

What if I had been on the other side of the kneel, and in deep play when those blood clots hit my lungs? It was my birth control pills that did it, but during a scene the Top would have phoned 911 and would have been scared to death that whatever bondage we had been up to, etc., would have caused the emergency that almost killed me.

After a scene, bo is so high as a kite that when he walks anywhere I'm right beside him, keeping him from running into sharp corners and/or tripping. (Because of his brain injury from being crushed in a slate fall, he has to walk with a cane most of the time.) It's possible that we both would break bones in a fall (I am very good at breaking my own bones, keep this in mind). We're old and disabled and I'm quite large; if I had to protect him by cushioning his fall I'm going to break one of my bones.

If I can shatter my lower right leg just by going outside to get my mail on a rainy day, should I have intervention forced upon me and be made to go to a shrink...just because I have this unhealthy need to go back out there (even if it's raining) to go get my mail...?

I was also in a car accident as a kid and got hurt...and yet I still get in motor vehicles and venture forth into traffic.

Women go to doctors over sex all the time. They get hurt from sex (just ask any woman who planned on having orgasms and instead got knocked up and had a baby...labor, episiotomies (sp?), and cesareans F*ING HURTS!).

Even when people know safeties (wear helmets, use seat belts, and use condoms, FFS), accidents can happen. My boy built his house from the ground up but he still messed up installing the hoist in the ceiling this past year. I had him cuffed up and four feet up in the air when it broke out of the wall. I hurt my back catching him (but didn't break any bones, yay!). It's fixed now and we've used it dozens of times without any problems. What we do...risks some injury. I've even tripped over some of his PTSD buttons by mistake, while at other times I've done this on purpose.

I'm fully aware that I've topped people who could "go feral" and hurt me without meaning to.

I could also have a heart attack, have a stroke, whatever, while my partner is tied up and cannot phone 911 in time to save my life.

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

There is even a movement in most states to allow non-consent prosecution of domestic abuse. That means they would no longer even need the victim to press charges in suspected violence cases.

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ORIGINAL: Crouchingtiger77

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It's a tough call for anyone in that situation and also one of the principal reasons why I won't indulge in such activity.

Freedomdwarf, do you think this means that persons who do go to the point of inflicting marks which if seen by a medical professional, that said acts then is like playing Russian Roulette?

The next question would be this, for those Dom's, Domme's, Masters, Mistresses who do take it to the point of leaving marks which can be intrepreted as abuse by others, what do you do to protect yourself without breaking the law in so protecting self?

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It would be nice if there were ways of being able to have consensual not just torture, bruising, but what the slave craves and not have any type of reprocussions.