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MrBukani -> The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 2:32:23 AM)
While monotheism makes some sense versus polytheism. Why is it monotheism has such reputation of hatred towards polytheism?

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 4:37:27 AM)
Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both.

thishereboi -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 5:45:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. Why do you feel the need to resort to lies. Now I have no doubt that some faiths hate others, but to claim that they all do is just bullshit.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 5:48:24 AM)
Polytheism was famous for accepting other gods. Monotheists are infamous for persecuting others on basis of faith.

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 8:09:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. Why do you feel the need to resort to lies. Now I have no doubt that some faiths hate others, but to claim that they all do is just bullshit. Example? One faith with no instance of any hatred of any other faith ever.

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 8:11:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Polytheism was famous for accepting other gods. Monotheists are infamous for persecuting others on basis of faith. Nonsense. wars were fought over those faiths just as frequently as monotheistic ones. Our words for angel and devil come from one such clash.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 8:58:46 AM)
Bullshit you talk with nothing to support.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 9:02:03 AM)
At least the ancients were honest about greed. It had very little to do with religion. Romans adapted foreign gods. But again show me with sourcing. Oh no you dont do links do you?[:D] Talktalktalktalk chicken.

Musicmystery -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 10:17:24 AM)
Trollism.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 10:28:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Trollism. Arsism So this is how you get 19000+posts[:D]

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 1:39:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. That seems like an over generalization that history doesn't really support. In cultures that have multiple deities especially ones where families have there own deities where's the harm in one more god? I can certainly cite numerous examples of other religions being tolerated under polytheistic empires. quote: http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/a/ancient_egypt_the_roman_perio.aspx Like the Ptolemies before them, the Romans left the religion and culture of Egypt intact. Several of the temples of Egypt were completed by Roman emperors, who followed the style of their predecessors and had themselves represented in the Egyptian manner. The Temple of Isis at Philae is one such temple, the cult of this goddess having been incorporated into Roman religion as a 'mystery cult'.

GotSteel -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 1:48:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani While monotheism makes some sense versus polytheism. I think just the opposite is true. In polytheisms where there are numerous gods who don't really give a shit about you battling it out a certain amount of randomness, arbitrariness and meaningless devastation make perfect sense. But if only one god is supposed to be constantly tinkering with our lives the incoherency becomes an issue. The problem of evil is a classic example of this.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 2:03:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani While monotheism makes some sense versus polytheism. I think just the opposite is true. In polytheisms where there are numerous gods who don't really give a shit about you battling it out a certain amount of randomness, arbitrariness and meaningless devastation make perfect sense. But if only one god is supposed to be constantly tinkering with our lives the incoherency becomes an issue. The problem of evil is a classic example of this. That's why I said 'some' sense. I do agree with your point and that's the core of my observation. Very well laid out thanks. Personally I hang more to monotheistic belief cause I believe nature is god. And I think in logical thinking, people tend to tilt towards one god. Wich makes sense to me. Maybe the ancients had a very different mindset about what the word god really means.

FelineRanger -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 2:23:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani While monotheism makes some sense versus polytheism. Why is it monotheism has such reputation of hatred towards polytheism? In the Torah and in the ceremonies that surround it, Jews present themselves as forever fighting for their own survival against the polytheistic barbarians that surrounded them. Christians, as spiritual descendants of Jews, adopted that attitude then took it a step further when Constantine the Great adopted the cross as his symbol before a major military victory. Since I know almost nothing about Islam, I can't even begin to explain what their excuse is.

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 2:56:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. That seems like an over generalization that history doesn't really support. In cultures that have multiple deities especially ones where families have there own deities where's the harm in one more god? I can certainly cite numerous examples of other religions being tolerated under polytheistic empires. Looks like one. And even the Romans hated pantheistic faiths they were not well familiar with. They banned the practices of the druids and spread the slander that their rites involved human sacrifice, weird how every one of Rome's enemies sacrifices humans (see Carthage).

eulero83 -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 3:28:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani While monotheism makes some sense versus polytheism. Why is it monotheism has such reputation of hatred towards polytheism? well there are two reasons in my opinion: the three big monotheist religion tend to consider themself elected peoples and those worshipping other gods inferiors, for example old people in italy tend to use the word christians as synonymous of human being, so for them in the world there are christians (humans) and beasts (animals). In history christians were killed by roman pagans, later other pagans were killed by christians and they stroke back, almost anyone killed jews, muslims killed anyone... let just say this doesn't help.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 4:56:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. That seems like an over generalization that history doesn't really support. In cultures that have multiple deities especially ones where families have there own deities where's the harm in one more god? I can certainly cite numerous examples of other religions being tolerated under polytheistic empires. Looks like one. And even the Romans hated pantheistic faiths they were not well familiar with. They banned the practices of the druids and spread the slander that their rites involved human sacrifice, weird how every one of Rome's enemies sacrifices humans (see Carthage). Druids were a direct threat not because of religion, but the ability to join all northern nations into one. Carthage was slandered because it was romes greatest enemy and a threat to it's existance. Only jews and especially christians were persecuted because they were the only ones refusing to pay hommage to roman gods. Persians left religious freedom Hittites did Hellenes did Alexander did it And many more polytheists. Sorry to say you have little historical notion of what really happened. I understand. There are many misconceptions, you are not alone.

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 6:10:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Every faith hates every other faith. If worshippers of the Greek and Norse pantheons still survived, and don't give me that neo pagan nonsense they worship made feel good amalgam not the faiths as they were historically practiced, they would hate each other just as much as the Christians hated both. That seems like an over generalization that history doesn't really support. In cultures that have multiple deities especially ones where families have there own deities where's the harm in one more god? I can certainly cite numerous examples of other religions being tolerated under polytheistic empires. Looks like one. And even the Romans hated pantheistic faiths they were not well familiar with. They banned the practices of the druids and spread the slander that their rites involved human sacrifice, weird how every one of Rome's enemies sacrifices humans (see Carthage). Druids were a direct threat not because of religion, but the ability to join all northern nations into one. Carthage was slandered because it was romes greatest enemy and a threat to it's existance. Only jews and especially christians were persecuted because they were the only ones refusing to pay hommage to roman gods. Persians left religious freedom tried to forcibly conquer India for religious reasons (source of angels and devils) quote: Hittites did Too liitle is known about them to support that claim quote: Hellenes did Who did the classic Greeks conquer? quote: Alexander did it Alexander did not. He spread Hellenic society including religion everywhere his empire went. His successors were even worse.

MrBukani -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 6:26:43 PM)
Romans adopted the greek gods Alexander did not want to conquer the world for religious but cultural reasons. He translated the bible in greek. Hittites were known as the people of a thousand gods because they adopted just about any god. Persians even allowed to rebuild the jewish temple. Anyway look at the history of monotheism, when you dont see the striking difference I cant help it. Effectively we are just coming out of the religious monotheistic dark ages that lasted for far over a millenia.

DomKen -> RE: The Dungeon of monotheism (4/26/2014 6:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Romans adopted the greek gods Rome started off as a greek colony most likely so that isn't unusual. quote: Alexander did not want to conquer the world for religious but cultural reasons. He translated the bible in greek. Really? Several centuries before Christ? Really? Alexander died in 323 BCE.

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