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Politesub53 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:19:47 PM)

I`m not defending anything, just pointing out that you are talking out of your arse.



Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:20:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

It depends on the culture.

We here are able to marry legally at aged 16 - still below your quoted age of 18.
Would you classify that as pedophilia and rape?
Many other countries and cultures are also legally allowed to marry before aged 18.

In Poland, Romania, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Argentina and Peru, the legal age is 16.
In Mali, Benin, Niger, DRC, Cameroon, Iran, Costa Rica and Gabon, it's 15.
In Bolivia, Venezuela, Mexico, Mozambique and Madagascar, it's 14.
Equatorial Guinea is 12.
In Sudan and Saudi Arabia there is no age limit whatsoever.
Source: http://chartsbin.com/view/sr6
And note that quite a few of those countries are not Islamic, but Christian (notably Catholic).

Across India and other muslim countries, being betrothed before teenage years is very common and accepted in that culture.
Whilst we in the west deplore such arrangements and call it pedophilia, in many other cultures it's perfectly acceptable and universally allowed.

And who are we to judge others by our own moral yardstick?
Pot and kettle come to mind here [:D]



I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.



Politesub53 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:22:54 PM)

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.



Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:27:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.


I never said it wasn't, I said it wasn't state sanctioned and institutionalized or on a comparable scale, you breighing ass.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:32:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Interesting.
Try telling that to the thousands of young English muslims who are forcibly taken back to their homelands and forced into marriages they don't want.
Then there are so many Islamic "courts" that forbid women to complain against their husbands or rape a very young bride.
There are also many cases of "honour killings" that go unpunished because the Islamic "courts" do not see it as something intrinsically wrong and let the perpetrators off scott free and hide the identity of those from the authorities trying to investigate the murders.
All the victims are threatened with being killed if they try to "out" the perpetrators of such crimes.

We are trying to stamp out these illegal Islamic proceedings but the people, even British born and bred, are still subject to their religious upbringing and bow to that rather than the actual law here.
Go figure.


So yes, amongst the Islamics here, it is very much "en-vogue" and it does happen surprisingly frequently.
Ergo, a very poignant PoV for argument.



Politesub53 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:33:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.


I never said it wasn't, I said it wasn't state sanctioned and institutionalized or on a comparable scale, you breighing ass.


Breighing ?

I think you are making shit up.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:34:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And still you miss the point......... The sexual abuse of children is rife in the west, including the UK...... Instead of accepting that fact you prefer to make an issue just of the religious aspect.


I never said it wasn't, I said it wasn't state sanctioned and institutionalized or on a comparable scale, you breighing ass.

Not where YOU are, no.
But it IS allowed in other places.
And it still happens regardless of your laws.
And that's the point being made here.



Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 4:35:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Interesting.
Try telling that to the thousands of young English muslims who are forcibly taken back to their homelands and forced into marriages they don't want.
Then there are so many Islamic "courts" that forbid women to complain against their husbands or rape a very young bride.
There are also many cases of "honour killings" that go unpunished because the Islamic "courts" do not see it as something intrinsically wrong and let the perpetrators off scott free and hide the identity of those from the authorities trying to investigate the murders.
All the victims are threatened with being killed if they try to "out" the perpetrators of such crimes.

We are trying to stamp out these illegal Islamic proceedings but the people, even British born and bred, are still subject to their religious upbringing and bow to that rather than the actual law here.
Go figure.


So yes, amongst the Islamics here, it is very much "en-vogue" and it does happen surprisingly frequently.
Ergo, a very poignant PoV for argument.



Okay but that's the thing though, that's the very fucking thing, you get that it's wrong, you're trying to stop it in your own country, you understand my entire point now but your previous arguement completely ignores everything you know in favor of the politically correct answer. Stop that, you are a better more moral man than that and you know it. So why is it okay if they do it there, search yourself and get back to me on that.



Phydeaux -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 5:01:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus
I like how the british can conveniently forget that they're living in a civilized culture when the urge strikes just to prove a point, but come off it, 16 is a far cry from 14 or 12 or literally no age limit, and considering arranged marriage is not exactly en vogue in the UK it's largely an invalid arguement for similarity. No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Interesting.
Try telling that to the thousands of young English muslims who are forcibly taken back to their homelands and forced into marriages they don't want.
Then there are so many Islamic "courts" that forbid women to complain against their husbands or rape a very young bride.
There are also many cases of "honour killings" that go unpunished because the Islamic "courts" do not see it as something intrinsically wrong and let the perpetrators off scott free and hide the identity of those from the authorities trying to investigate the murders.
All the victims are threatened with being killed if they try to "out" the perpetrators of such crimes.

We are trying to stamp out these illegal Islamic proceedings but the people, even British born and bred, are still subject to their religious upbringing and bow to that rather than the actual law here.
Go figure.


So yes, amongst the Islamics here, it is very much "en-vogue" and it does happen surprisingly frequently.
Ergo, a very poignant PoV for argument.




Funny how politesub denies sharia law in england when convenient and yet doesn't dispute dwarf's assertion that "thousands of young english muslims" are forcibly taken abroad for child marriages.

Reaks of hypocrisy.



MrBukani -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 5:20:01 PM)

I dont even have to work this thread anymore.[:D]
See how simple it is?
I know the catholics have baddie priesties who do nasty thingies.
And we can say anything about it in all honesty.

Try do that with this, out in the open and there will be a fatwa in hours.

Because now your freedom of speech is limited upon threat of death.
We already lost one great man stabbed cowardly in the streets to death, for speaking the truth.

Again I do not fear Islam. Let the truth be known. I say welcome, this is my country, my culture. Respect that and you will get respect in return, if you abide by our rules of law.
Resistance is futile. We will assimilate you to our law.[:D]




chatterbox24 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 5:31:45 PM)

Not everyone wants saved from their own culture and tribe. Some may even like their own ways and don't want to be civilized.
Some might really resent us trying to force our ways on them.
Even some of the young brides, it has been their way for how long?
We are always trying to tame the savages, aren't we. So peaceful. Try taming a lion? Lions are just lions, and they might play for awhile, but sometimes they bite you. They were born to be the wild.
Pinocchio had a very long nose it tended to get right in the middle of things. What an odd thing to say.





Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 5:35:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Not everyone wants saved from their own culture and tribe. Some may even like their own ways and don't want to be civilized.
Some might really resent us trying to force our ways on them.
Even some of the young brides, it has been their way for how long?
We are always trying to tame the savages, aren't we. So peaceful. Try taming a lion? Lions are just lions, and they might play for awhile, but sometimes they bite you. They were born to be the wild.
Pinocchio had a very long nose it tended to get right in the middle of things. What an odd thing to say.






I like how you compare them to animals like they aren't capable of more than acting civilized, the key is to demoralize islam from within, but sadly with attitudes like yours around europe will just be an extended caliphate before too long.



chatterbox24 -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 5:50:18 PM)

Im afraid you have totally misunderstood me. I meant quite the opposite. Now go speak to the Madhatter, Im bored with you.



thompsonx -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:00:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

You're the one defending forced marriage and child rape,

You are the one who is equating "arranged marriages" with child rape. Would you have any sort of validation for that premis?


but your moral relativist "it's okay that's their culture" bullshit doesn't remove the filth from the practice or the suffering it causes.

What do you feel should be the age of consent?




DomKen -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:03:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

You haven't condemned murder in Spain either. Why is that?

Try to get past your hate and exercise some common sense.



Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus

You're the one defending forced marriage and child rape,

You are the one who is equating "arranged marriages" with child rape. Would you have any sort of validation for that premis?


but your moral relativist "it's okay that's their culture" bullshit doesn't remove the filth from the practice or the suffering it causes.

What do you feel should be the age of concent?




Oh sorry, let me rephrase that for you on the first one, rape of multiple kinds, for a lifetime in many cases.


as for the second inquiry as to age of consent in a perfect world it would be based on emotional and intellectual maturity, but since most people never even approach that point and there is a certain call for order 18 seems respectable.



thompsonx -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:14:34 PM)

Oh sorry, let me rephrase that for you on the first one, rape of multiple kinds, for a lifetime in many cases.

So far all you have offered is opinion do you have any validation for your premis?


as for the second inquiry as to age of consent in a perfect world it would be based on emotional and intellectual maturity, but since most people never even approach that point and there is a certain call for order 18 seems respectable.

Why 18? Why not 19 or 21? Why not 25? You have to be 25 to be in congress. Why not 35? You have to be 35 to be president. Why does the state of california want roman polanski? Cuz he fucked a 15 year old when the age of consent in california was 16. Cleopatra was queen of eqypt when she was 12.
What do those who study the structure and function of the brain tell us about how the brain ages.
Are you smarter than your mom and dad?



PeonForHer -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:18:13 PM)

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You haven't condemned murder in Spain either. Why is that?


Possibly because it doesn't feel very relevant to him, as I'm sure you realise. For similar reasons, I haven't felt myself get very exercised about child-brides amongst yak-herding tribesmen in Mongolia, either.

The reason people focus on the Catholic church and the paedophiles amongst it is because the Catholic church has had a very powerful influence on people in the west for a very long time. The traditions of Mongolian yak herders haven't. And nor have Islamic traditions. This thread is a bit like comparing one rotten orange to a whole orchard full of rotten apple trees. We're being asked to focus on that one rotten orange as though it were of equal importance to our lives here in the west and in anglophone countries. It's a waste of time and energy and both sides in this debate know it.



Trismagistus -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:19:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Oh sorry, let me rephrase that for you on the first one, rape of multiple kinds, for a lifetime in many cases.

So far all you have offered is opinion do you have any validation for your premis?


as for the second inquiry as to age of consent in a perfect world it would be based on emotional and intellectual maturity, but since most people never even approach that point and there is a certain call for order 18 seems respectable.

Why 18? Why not 19 or 21? Why not 25? You have to be 25 to be in congress. Why not 35? You have to be 35 to be president. Why does the state of california want roman polanski? Cuz he fucked a 15 year old when the age of consent in california was 16. Cleopatra was queen of eqypt when she was 12.
What do those who study the structure and function of the brain tell us about how the brain ages.
Are you smarter than your mom and dad?


for one thing there are plenty of stories out there across the internet that you can easily find about forced marriages and honor killings, you're the one making absurd claims at this point.


and once again in the form of a list for the second question. because, 18 makes more sense than someone who might not have even entered puberty depending on their genetics and environmental factors or someone who is approaching the curve at which birth defects start to arise in fetuses (as your suggestion of 35 would entail) it's a decent middle range. As for the rest of your retarded shit you intend to say, just give up, you're obviously a brain washed cultural marxist libtard with no idea what morality even means in this context and you clearly support rape and the forced religious indoctrination of millions over giving them freedom to choose their own spouse and live their own life based on personal rather than societal decree. Which puts you in the unenviable position of being a complete fucking asshole.



thompsonx -> RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. (4/26/2014 6:24:33 PM)

No one in the UK is forcing the 16 year old to marry a rich 30 year old so he can get his rocks off fucking someone way younger than him.

Ever hear of ann and mary boleyn...couple of teenagers pimped off to the king of england by their parents.



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