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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 7:21:15 AM

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To MM: I hear ya hummin', yo!

Now, to be a bit more on topic ...

My best friend has this belief system (near as I can tell) that we keep coming back until we have become spiritually advanced enough to "move on to a higher plain".

I don't quite get it and she doesn't go into too great a detail because she finds her beliefs to be very personal. I think it may be some kind of bastardization of Hinduism or Buddhism?

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 7:26:37 AM

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I can't remember what I did last week. How am I going to remember a past life?

Shhhhhhhhh............I put the salt and pepper in the refrigerator last week.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 8:22:25 AM

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I am going to see if I can find the book, I think Weiss did fight his urge to put the two people together and they came to him separately. In his book he talked questioned if it was a "test" for himself.

Dr. Bruce Goldberg is more interesting to me because he goes into future lives and Michael Newton tries to get into life purpose.

It can be escapism that is true, however, without reincarnation I would feel that things like crippling illnesses are either random or cruel. I've asked myself many times what the purpose of certain things are and have not found a satisfactory answer. In fact most of the writers say that those types of things are self chosen before the life but to me it would feel like a punishment.

Most also believe that you choose your parents and original life circumstances to grow or learn something. These things to me make me learn the "wrong" lesson.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 8:52:14 AM

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I think it's funny when people dismiss the idea of reincarnation as New Agey claptrap, when it has been the primary spiritual and religious belief system of most of the world for a few thousand years. Buddhism and Hinduism (I am of neither) aren't exactly Johnny come lately to our species.

I believe reincarnation is likely myself. Not because of empirical proof, but because it offers a simple explanation for so much (in my view): inexplicable relationships, differing levels of wisdom and maturity, talents and skills, racial preferences and antipathies, non-sexual fetishes and phobias; knowledge that has no rational source. The notion of karma that “we reap what we sow” has always been around no matter how we say it today.

I like TheHeretic’s post too.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/28/2014 9:50:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: summersub

I am going to see if I can find the book, I think Weiss did fight his urge to put the two people together and they came to him separately. In his book he talked questioned if it was a "test" for himself.

Dr. Bruce Goldberg is more interesting to me because he goes into future lives and Michael Newton tries to get into life purpose.

It can be escapism that is true, however, without reincarnation I would feel that things like crippling illnesses are either random or cruel. I've asked myself many times what the purpose of certain things are and have not found a satisfactory answer. In fact most of the writers say that those types of things are self chosen before the life but to me it would feel like a punishment.

Most also believe that you choose your parents and original life circumstances to grow or learn something. These things to me make me learn the "wrong" lesson.

You might be right about that. It's been so long, but I seem to recollect that he was seriously contemplating bringing these two men together in the present, and it's not like they were long-lost loves or anything remotely close. This is the part that made the biggest impression on me in terms of a breach of integrity, if not doctor-patient confidentiality.

I believe they passed one another in the hall between appointments. Not entirely sure whether Dr. Weiss orchestrated the timing or not, come to think of it.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 4/29/2014 4:40:14 AM

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So I'm gonna throw in my two cents(more like fifty bucks with inflation)right off the bat with out reading a single word of anyone elses response.

~The soul,according to PyRo

I completely believe in reincarnation
How ever,I think we(people)Look at it completely wrong
WE do not get reincarnated
everything that we attribute to being our soul(consciousness ect.)gets thrown in with every ones elses when we die(just like all are atoms and everything else eventually)

to extrapolate,let's say that I die right now..............that means no more PyRo,I mean yeah,you guys might remember me,and that might even cause an energy similar to the one I had to manifest itself(ghosts),But assuming none of you assholes call me back before I have time to "return" home(fun note,this is why some cultures put a moratorium on speaking some ones name until a full year or two after their death),then I am no longer me,and I'm no longer even I,parts of "me" would be Pat,Yolondi,Rubben,Otis,just as I'm probably the continued vestige of energy of a whole lot of people and things.
Our individuality is something that we have in life,it is something that we develop and grow into.it allows us to experience the wonderful crazy thing that is life.but we all die,and we're all the product of recycled atoms and electrons which will be recycled into new atoms and electrons

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/1/2014 7:11:58 PM

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YOLO=You Only Live Once

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 3:06:04 AM

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A Thousand Years
by Sting

A thousand years, a thousand more,
A thousand times a million doors to eternity
I may have lived a thousand lives, a thousand times
An endless turning stairway climbs
To a tower of souls
If it takes another thousand years, a thousand wars,
The towers rise to numberless floors in space
I could shed another million tears, a million breaths,
A million names but only one truth to face

A million roads, a million fears
A million suns, ten million years of uncertainty
I could speak a million lies, a million songs,
A million rights, a million wrongs in this balance of time
But if there was a single truth, a single light
A single thought, a singular touch of grace
Then following this single point , this single flame,
The single haunted memory of your face

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head

I may be numberless, I may be innocent
I may know many things, I may be ignorant
Or I could ride with kings and conquer many lands
Or win this world at cards and let it slip my hands
I could be cannon food, destroyed a thousand times
Reborn as fortunes child to judge anothers crimes
Or wear this pilgrims cloak, or be a common thief
Ive kept this single faith, I have but one belief

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head
On and on the mysteries unwind themselves
Eternities still unsaid
til you love me

Lyrics: www.lyricsfreak.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-8s_wvIv0

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 4:04:26 AM

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We all know that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but rather transformed and so therefore we never really die. Our 'dead' bodies and our minds are of no use but the atoms that make up our bodies energy remains in place until a free radical comes along and transforms that energy into something else. Is it possible for sub-atomic particles to bind together to form another person? I would never say never but I'm inclined to think its more likely scattered amongst nature and other life forms. What though, happens to the memory part of the brain? Does memory survive death? Where will the subatomic free-radical particles from the brain end up?

I've had some very interesting scientific debates about the possibility of reincarnation but I'm afraid I can't talk about it in the romantic sense.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 10:33:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

To MM: I hear ya hummin', yo!

Now, to be a bit more on topic ...

My best friend has this belief system (near as I can tell) that we keep coming back until we have become spiritually advanced enough to "move on to a higher plain".

I don't quite get it and she doesn't go into too great a detail because she finds her beliefs to be very personal. I think it may be some kind of bastardization of Hinduism or Buddhism?

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

Yes, exactly. The wheel of karma goes way back in Hinduism (10s of thousands of years), and Buddhism rose out of Hinduism.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 10:37:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

A Thousand Years
by Sting

A thousand years, a thousand more,
A thousand times a million doors to eternity
I may have lived a thousand lives, a thousand times
An endless turning stairway climbs
To a tower of souls
If it takes another thousand years, a thousand wars,
The towers rise to numberless floors in space
I could shed another million tears, a million breaths,
A million names but only one truth to face

A million roads, a million fears
A million suns, ten million years of uncertainty
I could speak a million lies, a million songs,
A million rights, a million wrongs in this balance of time
But if there was a single truth, a single light
A single thought, a singular touch of grace
Then following this single point , this single flame,
The single haunted memory of your face

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head

I may be numberless, I may be innocent
I may know many things, I may be ignorant
Or I could ride with kings and conquer many lands
Or win this world at cards and let it slip my hands
I could be cannon food, destroyed a thousand times
Reborn as fortunes child to judge anothers crimes
Or wear this pilgrims cloak, or be a common thief
Ive kept this single faith, I have but one belief

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head
On and on the mysteries unwind themselves
Eternities still unsaid
til you love me

Lyrics: www.lyricsfreak.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-8s_wvIv0

If you miss the train I'm on, you will know that I am gone
You can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles,
a hundred miles, a hundred miles, a hundred miles, a hundred miles,
You can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.

Lord I'm one, Lord I'm two, Lord I'm three, Lord I'm four,
Lord I'm 500 miles from my home.
500 miles, 500 miles, 500 miles, 500 miles
Lord I'm five hundred miles from my home.

Not a shirt on my back, not a penny to my name
Lord I can't go a-home this a-way
This a-away, this a-way, this a-way, this a-way,
Lord I can't go a-home this a-way.

If you miss the train I'm on you will know that I am gone
You can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stwt_ew6Bac

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 3:05:07 PM

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You know what's odd to me? The idea that reincarnation involves some kind of celestial warehouse, where used spirits enter and are held for a while and maybe polished a bit, and then rereleased whole to new hosts.

Nature doesn't work that way. Look what happens to our bodies. They become raw ingredients, and diffuse all over the ecosphere. Why would our souls stay pristine and not meld with others, become a sort of ectoplasmic primordial ooze?

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 4:22:49 PM

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I don't really believe in reincarnation...at least not in the "traditional" sense. I don't know that I really believe in "souls", so how could a soul be reincarnated if it doesn't exist.

However, I do sometimes kick around the idea that a person's thoughts may be transferred upon death, and perhaps that in some way could explain the idea of reincarnation.

I think there is ample evidence that thoughts can be transmitted from one living creature to another, like in the case of one twin being injured and the other twin, miles away, feeling the pain at the exact moment of the injury. Animals like dogs can sometimes anticipate the time of their owners return home at unscheduled times. Recently there was a video out about a black leopard in a zoo that after being "talked to" mentally by a woman his complete demeanor changed. (Here is a link to the video which is extremely interesting on it's own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB3DHtxzrrg )

We know that the brains and nervous systems of animals use electrical currents. Perhaps we unknowingly transmit and receive signals via these electric currents, and that some people are more sensitive to receiving these signals than others.

Now, let's look at ghosts. It has been my experience that usually when someone claims to have seen a ghost, that ghost is usually someone that died under stressful circumstances. Could it be that this stress causes the person's mind to send out a super strong signal, making it easier for more people to sense it?

So, could a person's thoughts and thought processes be transferred to others upon death? And how long could such electrical thought energy linger? And how many different people could be picking up on it?

Also, though I'm not really a religious person, I do think there might be something to the power of prayer. Imagine the thought energy of a number of people all thinking the same thought at the same time. Could it have a healing effect on a sick person who's own energy is too weak to overcome the illness?

Anyway, like I said...these are just some thoughts and ideas I've kicked around. They definitely don't answer or prove anything one way or another when it comes to talk of reincarnation. I'm sure the thoughts of most people will be different.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 4:40:38 PM

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I believe. Not for becoming more Enlightened but simply bc as a soul as energy we chose to experience love. I do not know if progression is part of the decision. I just think a soul wishes to be, to experience, to be known whether it's the first or the last time doesn't matter. I believe we want to experience love.When we choose a life of adversity it's about our desire to raise the bar, to teach unconditional love, to break others out of their limitations

nothing is wrong in this life~the challenge in us is to find the truth. Love is the only truth.

I believe in what doesn't insult my soul period. There is no other question.

edited for typo only

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 9:25:40 PM

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I don't believe specifically in reincarnation, but I do believe our current understanding of human consciousness, and the relationship of that to space and time, is grossly inadequate to account for the broad range of peculiarities and experiences that occur throughout our species.

I very much agree with this statement...but I go further.. I believe life...sentience...a soul...any living creature made of the dust of this universe...is a basic force of nature...as vital and necessary to the universes existence as time, space, and matter. I believe it has been here as long as the universe has existed. I further believe just as matter cannot be destroyed neither can the life force. So as one physical shell can no longer support this life force... our souls blend back into the source we all originate from only to be captured again in the future. But as one drop of water in the ocean can never be captured exactly the same again neither can a memory of past lives.

Hey...it may sound weird to you but don't we all try to make sense of our existence... mine is just as good as any other.

This source is my God

Butch

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/3/2014 10:28:45 PM

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Me likey

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

I don't really believe in reincarnation...at least not in the "traditional" sense. I don't know that I really believe in "souls", so how could a soul be reincarnated if it doesn't exist.

However, I do sometimes kick around the idea that a person's thoughts may be transferred upon death, and perhaps that in some way could explain the idea of reincarnation.

I think there is ample evidence that thoughts can be transmitted from one living creature to another, like in the case of one twin being injured and the other twin, miles away, feeling the pain at the exact moment of the injury. Animals like dogs can sometimes anticipate the time of their owners return home at unscheduled times. Recently there was a video out about a black leopard in a zoo that after being "talked to" mentally by a woman his complete demeanor changed. (Here is a link to the video which is extremely interesting on it's own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB3DHtxzrrg )
<snip>

This made my eyes well up with tears: The incredible story of how leopard Diabolo became Spirit - Anna Breytenbach, "animal communicator".

"What if you could talk to animals and have them talk back to you? Anna Breytenbach has dedicated her life to what she calls interspecies communication. She sends detailed messages to animals through pictures and thoughts. She then receives messages of remarkable clarity back from the animals. In this section, Anna transforms a deadly snarling leopard into a relaxed content cat.The amazing story of how leopard Diabolo became Spirit...

"This is the first full length documentary film on the art of animal communication. Nominated for Best Long Documentary, Best Director of "Jade Kunlun" Awards of 2012 World Mountain Documentary Festival of Qinghai China."

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/5/2014 3:08:28 PM

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Interesting thought next time you want to make a Christian scratch his head (Yes, I am one so I have room to talk) ask them this:

Your a Christian Right? and you believe in Eternal life right?

You do know that Jesus was a Jew, and that Paul was a Jew. Now it is a given that the term Christian was first used to describe Jews that believed in Jesus.

The Jews have no concept of "Eternal Life" as the Christians do, they believe in a concept more similar to Reincarnation than dying and going to live in heaven for ever and ever.

Oh there are some Christians that are gonna be MAD with me!!

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 5/17/2014 9:51:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: summersub

I am going to see if I can find the book, I think Weiss did fight his urge to put the two people together and they came to him separately. In his book he talked questioned if it was a "test" for himself.

Dr. Bruce Goldberg is more interesting to me because he goes into future lives and Michael Newton tries to get into life purpose.

It can be escapism that is true, however, without reincarnation I would feel that things like crippling illnesses are either random or cruel. I've asked myself many times what the purpose of certain things are and have not found a satisfactory answer. In fact most of the writers say that those types of things are self chosen before the life but to me it would feel like a punishment.

Most also believe that you choose your parents and original life circumstances to grow or learn something. These things to me make me learn the "wrong" lesson.

Your locating Dr. Goldberg's Past Lives, Future Lives book is appreciated, summersub. It wasn't Dr. Weiss who was involved in this matter; it was Dr. Goldberg instead. I had gotten the two mixed up over two decades ago, as well as Goldberg's fantasies about what if those two patients of his crossed paths again.

There have been theories floating around about the possibility of our capability to tap into ancestral memories as an alternate explanation for these past-life remembrances, or even a Universal Consciousness that serves as a psychic or metaphysical memory bank for humanity. Energy healers purport that it operates on a cellular memory level which is accessible via our endocrine-glandular system. Just putting it out there.

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RE: Reincarnation: Past Lives - 6/23/2014 11:12:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

A Thousand Years
by Sting

A thousand years, a thousand more,
A thousand times, a million doors to eternity
I may have lived a thousand lives, a thousand times
An endless turning stairway climbs
To a tower of souls
If it takes another thousand years, a thousand wars,
The towers rise to numberless floors in space
I could shed another million tears, a million breaths,
A million names but only one truth to face

A million roads, a million fears
A million suns, ten million years of uncertainty
I could speak a million lies, a million songs,
A million rights, a million wrongs in this balance of time
But if there was a single truth, a single light
A single thought, a singular touch of grace
Then following this single point , this single flame,
The single haunted memory of your face

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head

I may be numberless, I may be innocent
I may know many things, I may be ignorant
Or I could ride with kings and conquer many lands
Or win this world at cards and let it slip my hands
I could be cannon food, destroyed a thousand times
Reborn as Fortune's child to judge another's crimes
Or wear this pilgrim's cloak, or be a common thief
I've kept this single faith, I have but one belief

I still love you
I still want you
A thousand times the mysteries unfold themselves
Like galaxies in my head
On and on the mysteries unwind themselves
Eternities still unsaid
till you love me

Lyrics: www.lyricsfreak.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-8s_wvIv0

This is the original music video for Sting's song which has better visuals by telling a story, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQGgFCCPOrY

ETA: There's also this of Coldplay's "Paradise" theme song for the Life of Pi movie which doesn't feature the band wearing those ridiculous elephant costumes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtG9St0sHso (contains Spanish-language written lyrics)

< Message edited by HoneyBears -- 6/23/2014 11:28:11 AM >

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