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Now Bama let me ask again... If the devices were proved practical ...safe... and effective at a reasonable price would you be for a law requiring all new weapons to have this technology?

Not no, but fuck no!

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And your own choice of handgun proves this isn't about reliability so stop making up excuses. If you really cared about reliability you would have bought a good quality revolver.

The common belief among a few diehard revolver fanatics is that because the revolver does not have to feed or eject cartridges in the same manner that automatic pistols do, or because the revolver is somehow "simpler" than the automatic, it is better than the auto. Their idea of "better" is, of course, esoteric.

Revolvers remain mechanical objects, and are subject to problems arising from manufacturing defects, parts failures, ammunition failures, improper maintenance, and user abuse -- just like pistols. While the casual observer might believe that because the revolver does not appear to have as many moving parts as the automatic, inferring from this that the revolver is therefore more reliable, the revolver is in fact a fairly intricate design, the proper function of which is based on a number of small, moving parts...

I would urge anyone who still believes, in the 21st century, that revolvers are superior to automatics as defensive or fighting handguns to strongly consider the facts about revolvers and the state of automatic pistols today. Also, you’re insane. ~Source

K.

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On the other hand a revolver will cycle 6 rounds faster than an autoloader.

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On the other hand a revolver will cycle 6 rounds faster than an autoloader.

For Jerry Miculek, maybe. For normal human beings, that's highly debatable. I'll stick to the 15+1 capacity of my Glock 19 thanks. 20k+ rounds and not a single stoppage.

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Now Bama let me ask again... If the devices were proved practical ...safe... and effective at a reasonable price would you be for a law requiring all new weapons to have this technology?

Not no, but fuck no!

On this I do not mind one bit stating that I am in complete agreement with you.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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Among the fantasies is the idea that it would save thousands of lives, it would not.

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Among the fantasies is the idea that it would save thousands of lives, it would not.

Don't be silly... if a child were to pick up the gun and could not fire it a death or injury would be avoided. Please don't make me start posting all the statistics on accidental deaths and injuries to children from guns improperly secured... come on!.

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Among the fantasies is the idea that it would save thousands of lives, it would not.

Don't be silly... if a child were to pick up the gun and could not fire it a death or injury would be avoided. Please don't make me start posting all the statistics on accidental deaths and injuries to children from guns improperly secured... come on!.

Butch

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definitely thousands.

According to reliable statistical data reported in 2009 covering the years 1904-2006, from the National Center for Health Statistics (1981 on) and the National Safety Council (prior to 1981), while the number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high, and rises by about 4.5 million per year, the firearm accident death rate is at an all-time annual low, 0.2 per 100,000 population, down 94 percent since the all-time high in 1904.

Since 1930, the annual number of such deaths has decreased 80 percent, to an all-time low, while the U.S. population has more than doubled and the number of firearms has quintupled. Among children, such deaths have decreased 90 percent since 1975.

Today, the odds are more than a million to one against a child in the U.S. dying in a firearm accident. According to the 2009 data, in reality among all child accidental deaths nationally, firearms were involved in 1.1 percent, compared to motor vehicles (41 percent), suffocation (21 percent), drowning (15 percent), fires (8 percent), pedal cycles (2 percent), poisoning (2 percent), falls (1.9 percent), environmental factors (1.5 percent), and medical mistakes (1 percent) ~Source

K.

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Don't be silly... if a child were to pick up the gun and could not fire it a death or injury would be avoided. Please don't make me start posting all the statistics on accidental deaths and injuries to children from guns improperly secured

Well it's certainly true that if it couldn't be fired no injury would result. But statistically, it's no more of a problem than "improperly secured" pediatricians. And when it comes to a self-defense weapon, anything that adds complexity to the firing sequence is just something else that can go wrong at the wrong time. The fantasy of "safe" weapons is a utopian dream. Educating children about guns, and gun owners about safe storage, seems a much more practical and readily available approach.

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Don't be silly... if a child were to pick up the gun and could not fire it a death or injury would be avoided. Please don't make me start posting all the statistics on accidental deaths and injuries to children from guns improperly secured

Well it's certainly true that if it couldn't be fired no injury would result. But statistically, it's no more of a problem than "improperly secured" pediatricians. And when it comes to a self-defense weapon, anything that adds complexity to the firing sequence is just something else that can go wrong at the wrong time. The fantasy of "safe" weapons is a utopian dream. Educating children about guns, and gun owners about safe storage, seems a much more practical and readily available approach.

And the very mention of gun safes will result in the gun nuts whining about that being too big a burden.

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And the very mention of gun safes will result in the gun nuts whining about that being too big a burden.

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anything that adds complexity to the firing sequence is just something else that can go wrong at the wrong time. The fantasy of "safe" weapons is a utopian dream. Educating children about guns, and gun owners about safe storage, seems a much more practical and readily available approach.

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You're worried about problems arising from problems inherent to automatics so you should get a decent revolver. It doesn't have a feed ramp or a magazine.

Also of course you are supposed to look over a malfunctioning gun with a glass. You need to find the small defect that is causing the problem. If the defect was large and easily visible the failure would be far worse than a hang up. Just another indication that you really have no business handling firearms.

You talk like I'm obsessed about problems arising from problems inherent to automatics. I was simply illustrating to another poster, who asked me a question, a type of thing that can cause a malfunction. I've had many years of practical experience with a variety of firearms so pardon me if I think you're full of shit and I don't take your advise. And fuck your smart gun bullshit too.

So you were obsessing that an automatic could break down, whined about one actually breaking down and described your friend and your own inability to properly clean an automatic for no reason?

Now get your head around something, while I support the right of the manufacturer to make the gun in question I've not advocated for any laws mandating such technology or anything og the like. Your paranoia is showing yet again.

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Read the post I responded to dumbass.

Over and above all the stupid shit you've ever said about firearms on this forum, calling Kirata a dumbass is by far the stupidest.

When I want your opinion on another poster you'll know. In the mean time learn to clean a fucking pistol, dumbass.