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thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:11:30 PM)

Are there any anti women vidios on tv?

sure there are, see above show called BITCHS and HOES perpetuated by BLACKS DUHHHHHHHHHHHH

So none perpetuated by whites?




joether -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:16:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm telling you that it is well established that there is racial discrimination in hiring. So what should be done about it?

You don't fight racial discrimination by discriminating based on race. Anyone who can't get something as obvious as that through their head isn't using it.


Your not a 20-something, Kirata. You are intelligent and educated enough (not to mention having lived through the 1950-60's era of America) to understand that without affirmative action the nation would have still seen many examples of discrimination in the workplace. That those laws went into effect to mitigate and/or lessen the effects of discrimination on for Americans has improved Americans. It was well documented that racist people would skip over a very able black man for a white kid that knew shit about what the job entailed. White people didn't like it, as it meant they had to...compete....with other Americans. That skill and ability were the primary virtues not skin color, age, sex, or creed. Later, handicaps.

Its tough this nation had to create such laws; but there were no other alternatives at the time that would improve the situation. Even in 2014, there are many examples of discrimination based on one's skin color, sex, creed, handicaps, etc.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:16:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

possibly the same reason your only resource is to call people IGNORANT who disagree with you


I point out a posters ignorance not because they disagree with me but because they are ignorant of the facts of the discussion.

how bout you show something that discredits what he said instead of just calling him names??

I point out ignorance...not sure just whom you feel I have called a name.




MarkinLaredo -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:17:05 PM)

Having been in business, knowing many very successful people who are black, Hispanic, Asian, white, and from every other racial and ethnic group I can say that if you set out to prove that being black is what causes you to fail in business.... Well that is exactly what you would prove. People who succeed in business do not start out with the attitude that they are doomed to fail because or racism or anything else, they succeed because they put in hard work and long hours, and give their best, and they provide a service or product that is needed and marketable. You would be hard pressed to find a successful butcher in a vegan colony, and you will be hard pressed to find a successful businessman who has the attitude that the world owes him something because of an accident of birth.

Liberals are by and large dishonest with themselves, they tend to want to "help" people by controlling them, and almost always end up hurting the very groups they want to help. Kind of funny, except that often the people they hurt are then forced into positions where they become dependent on taxpayer subsidies. Go figure, the very idea that anyone is served by becoming dependent on the government for anything is repulsive to conservatives, but liberals just eat that stuff up. Liberal democrat party members have done more damage to the black American public than the Klan ever thought about doing. Welfare policy that took the black father out of the household was worse than the slave owner who sold the parents of black slaves and took them away from their families, because the slave owner never claimed to want to help the people he was hurting. Millions of poor black kids have grown up in single family homes because the liberal democrat party wanted to help them, tell me who the real racists are in that situation?

I am sure that you accidentally omitted the rest of my previous post, the part where a famous liberal democrat senator was a racist.

I am sure that you are just the epitome of intelligence, (okay, probably not) but how can you say that because one white guy wrote a book about how he was treated when he was in black face paint or some other silliness is exemplary of the systematic discrimination against all blacks? If I were betting I would bet the "author" was not hired because he was acting "black" and people just felt something was off about him. I bet the book would not have sold as well if he wrote " Wow, I was not treated any differently" and since authors tend to like to sell books...

Bias much?




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:17:57 PM)


ORIGINAL: BitYakin

sorry dude the constitution doesn't REQUIRE anyone to hire anyone for ANY REASON




Might want to look at the equal protection clause of th 4th and 14th ammendments and the courts interpretation of them.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:21:24 PM)


ORIGINAL: BitYakin

he nor anyone else said they had a solution, they just said cutting off your hand because you finger hurts is NOT THE SOLUTION

Until someone comes up with a better idea we will do this since for about a hundred years no solution was forthcomming.

I also noticed not once have you defended it as NOT RACIST, you just DEMAND someone come up with a BETTER IDEA
To require someone not to be a bigot and to follow the law of the land is not racists...Is that plane enough for you?




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:24:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

"How so???because it prevents employers from discriminating"

no because it REQUIRES employers to hire based on RACE, AKA REVERSE DISCRIMINATION




Actually it forces bigots to follow the law of the land...and for some reason that offends you. Since you do not like afirmative action how would you solve the problem?
Lead,follow or get the fuck out of the way. If you have not got a better solution then why are you posting?




kdsub -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:25:07 PM)

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Most people would agree that the former democratic senator from West Virginia Robert Byrd was both a liberal, and an admitted member of the Ku Klux Klan


This is not a blanket statement... if this is true he is not a liberal but a liar.. He can call himself a liberal...others can call him a liberal... you can assign him as a liberal... but he isn't... It is that simple.

Butch




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:27:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

OHH BOOOO HOOO life is tuff for ALOT of people not JUST BLACKS

I can introduce you to MANY MANY WHITE people who have it just as ruff


CRY ME A RIVER


What is your point?
We are not discussing how tough life is but rather how some bigots try to make life tough for people of color. And how some morons support that.





cloudboy -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:28:41 PM)


All Hail Adam Silver!




TheHeretic -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:31:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You can’t be a liberal and be a racist… you can call yourself a liberal and be a racists but you would be a liar.




Nonsense, Butch. The whole liberal outlook inherently lends itself to the condescending, "oh, you poor thing," variety of racism. It's good old liberal guilt. They want to "help," because deep in their hearts, they do not believe minorities are good enough to succeed at anything, without some program to make it easy for them.





kdsub -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:35:53 PM)

Will of course we all must decide what a liberal is for themselves... to me your description does not match mine. So be it...now it is up for others to decide their description.

Butch




joether -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:39:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
"How so???because it prevents employers from discriminating"

no because it REQUIRES employers to hire based on RACE, AKA REVERSE DISCRIMINATION


There is no such thing as 'Reverse Discrimination'. The exact opposite of discrimination is neutrality. Someone that is color blind with orange and red, could not tell with total certainty if a red dot was in fact red; this would be an example of reverse discrimination. If your blindfolded and someone places an orange in your mouth, and say its a banana, you know the difference; that's discrimination.

Employers are required to hire people based on criteria that has nothing to do with the physical attributes of the person....unless...the employer can show that such a position requires one or more specific physical attributes. For example, someone that moves heavy packages around would not be good for someone not physically built to such activities over a prolonged period of time. Finding an actor to play Fredrick Douglas, would not work with an Asian or white person.




MarkinLaredo -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:50:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You can’t be a liberal and be a racist… you can call yourself a liberal and be a racists but you would be a liar.




Nonsense, Butch. The whole liberal outlook inherently lends itself to the condescending, "oh, you poor thing," variety of racism. It's good old liberal guilt. They want to "help," because deep in their hearts, they do not believe minorities are good enough to succeed at anything, without some program to make it easy for them.




Yes! Exactly. Liberals are just as racist as anyone else, even more than most in a lot of cases, it is just sneaky racism covered in a candy coating.

Like a cat turd in a litter box, it is still a cat turd, just covered with something to keep it from being obviously offensive, but uncover it and it will still be a turd.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 8:57:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo

Having been in business,

You do not state what your business was...newspaper boy,drug dealer??? so what value does that statement carry?

knowing many very successful people who are black, Hispanic, Asian, white, and from every other racial and ethnic group

How many is many?
What was the socioeconomic background of these successful people?



I can say that if you set out to prove that being black is what causes you to fail in business.... Well that is exactly what you would prove.

That would be true of anyone who set out to prove that they would fail in business so you have made no point.

People who succeed in business do not start out with the attitude that they are doomed to fail because or racism or anything else, they succeed because they put in hard work and long hours, and give their best, and they provide a service or product that is needed and marketable.


Well that works for horatio alger but how bout you point out some real life examples of your fantasy of the amerikan dream. There is bill gates(convicted liar cheat and thier)
bernie madzoff(convicted liar cheat and thief)donald trumph[8|][[8|


You would be hard pressed to find a successful butcher in a vegan colony,

One would also be hard pressed to find a virgin in a whore house...what is your point?

and you will be hard pressed to find a successful businessman who has the attitude that the world owes him something because of an accident of birth.

Perhaps you should check the list of the richest people on the planet. You may find that most of them inhereted their wealth and not the horatio alger look alikes you seem to invision.

Liberals are by and large dishonest with themselves,

Would you have any validation for this moronic drivel?


they tend to want to "help" people by controlling them,

And that is different from conservatives in what way?


and almost always end up hurting the very groups they want to help. Kind of funny, except that often the people they hurt are then forced into positions where they become dependent on taxpayer subsidies.

LIke bill gates,archer daniels midland,general motors,chase bank etc.



Go figure, the very idea that anyone is served by becoming dependent on the government for anything is repulsive to conservatives,

However not repusive enough to turn the money down.


but liberals just eat that stuff up. Liberal democrat party members have done more damage to the black American public than the Klan ever thought about doing.

How about some validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion?


Welfare policy that took the black father out of the household was worse than the slave owner who sold the parents of black slaves and took them away from their families,

So in your zip code white people are not on welfare, and being a slave is better than being free.[8|]


because the slave owner never claimed to want to help the people he was hurting. Millions of poor black kids have grown up in single family homes because the liberal democrat party wanted to help them,



You see that is nothing more than your moronic,ignorant,uneducated opinion unbutressed by anything but your own ignorance.
Is it possible that black single familly homes might be caused not by welfare but by 300 years of slavery in which owners would break up families?



tell me who the real racists are in that situation?

You

I am sure that you accidentally omitted the rest of my previous post, the part where a famous liberal democrat senator was a racist.

No accident. I ignored it because it is irrelevant.

I am sure that you are just the epitome of intelligence

Kissing my ass will not garner you any points

but how can you say that because one white guy wrote a book about how he was treated when he was in black face paint or some other silliness is exemplary of the systematic discrimination against all blacks?


I did not say that...you said that.
I suggested that if you think that blacks have it so good try it and find out for yourself.



If I were betting I would bet the "author" was not hired because he was acting "black" and people just felt something was off about him. I bet the book would not have sold as well if he wrote " Wow, I was not treated any differently" and since authors tend to like to sell books...

Since this is your opinion unsubstantiated by anything but hot air it has about as much relevance as a fart in a snow storm.
If you had the balls that god gave a girl scout you would do it instead of "betting and guessing"





thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 9:04:47 PM)


ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


Nonsense, Butch. The whole liberal outlook inherently lends itself to the condescending, "oh, you poor thing," variety of racism. It's good old liberal guilt. They want to "help," because deep in their hearts, they do not believe minorities are good enough to succeed at anything, without some program to make it easy for them.


Perhaps you could show us some validation for this idiotic,ignorant drivel.
Making up a position for someone and then bashing it seems to be your style. Have you ever considered involving yourself in an honest discussion?








TheHeretic -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 9:04:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will of course we all must decide what a liberal is for themselves... to me your description does not match mine. So be it...now it is up for others to decide their description.

Butch



Sure thing, Butch. "Liberal" only means what you like it to mean. Got it.





thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 9:07:10 PM)


ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo


Yes! Exactly. Liberals are just as racist as anyone else, even more than most in a lot of cases, it is just sneaky racism covered in a candy coating.


Would you have any actual examples of this easter basket of racism?








Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 9:11:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

You don't fight racial discrimination by discriminating based on race. Anyone who can't get something as obvious as that through their head isn't using it.

The question remains...how would you have solved this problem?

Well let's first ask, what is the problem? According to Ken, it's racial discrimination in hiring. But is that a fair statement of the problem? The studies cited found that identical resumes received more call-backs when the applicant appeared to be white rather than black. The impression of whiteness versus blackness was engineered by the use of different names, like Emily and Brendan versus Lakisha and Jamal. Since the employers had nothing else to go on, race was clearly the operative factor in their decisions.

But why would this be so? Well for one reason, blacks are over-represented in almost every crime category that the FBI tracks except alcohol related offenses, by factors of 2 to more than 3 times their representation in the population (see here). Given two identical resumes, one that appears to be from a white person and one that appears to be from a black person, with nothing else to go on, which is going to be the better bet?

So to address the problem, the first thing that would help make an applicant's race fade into irrelevance would be if companies had more information. Because with background-check information establishing that the candidate has a clean record and a history of financial responsibility, qualified blacks would be less likely to be excluded on what amounts to purely a risk-reduction basis.

Unfortunately, however, that would be "racist."

On June 11, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) filed federal lawsuits against BMW and Dollar General store alleging that their use of criminal background checks violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race... The EEOC claims this process “results in a disparate impact against blacks,” even though the standard is the same for whites and blacks. ~Source

In another case...

Sending a sharp warning to employers nationwide, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued the Kaplan Higher Education Corporation on Tuesday, accusing it of discriminating against black job applicants through the way it uses credit histories in its hiring process... In the E.E.O.C.’s suit, which was filed in federal district court in Cleveland, the agency said that since at least January 2008, Kaplan had rejected job applicants based on their credit history, with a “significant disparate impact” on blacks. ~Source

Given the FBI data, it's not terribly surprising that background checks would have a disparate effect on blacks. The problem is the notion that "disparate impact" constitutes de facto racism. As for what we can do about it, well, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit recently laughed the EEOC out of court on the second of the actions linked above. You might want to have a chat with Eric Holder about the rest.

K.




joether -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/4/2014 9:12:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo
Having been in business, knowing many very successful people who are black, Hispanic, Asian, white, and from every other racial and ethnic group I can say that if you set out to prove that being black is what causes you to fail in business.... Well that is exactly what you would prove. People who succeed in business do not start out with the attitude that they are doomed to fail because or racism or anything else, they succeed because they put in hard work and long hours, and give their best, and they provide a service or product that is needed and marketable. You would be hard pressed to find a successful butcher in a vegan colony, and you will be hard pressed to find a successful businessman who has the attitude that the world owes him something because of an accident of birth.


I've worked in the Small Business Administration. There are plenty of cases in which the owner(s) put in a hellish amount of effort and long hours, but the business still failed. And many examples of good employees either let go, skipped for promotion, or simply ignored, even though they worked hard, put in good effort, and labored long hours. Its a myth that 'long hours and hard work' will make you successful. Even with good business skills, a good personality, and personal time management, businesses still fail. Employees still end up on the losing end of the situation.

Those companies that become successful, whether local only or to a national stage, have many hundreds (if not thousands) of moments when things worked out for the company's favor. IBM did not become a success with just one person. Wal-Mart was not successful with just one store. McDonalds was not successful for making good burgers. Local area businesses are the same way. Interacting with customers, handling customers with problems with the product/service to their expectations and desires, and managing the business environment the company found itself year after year, determined successful operation.

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo
Liberals are by and large dishonest with themselves, they tend to want to "help" people by controlling them, and almost always end up hurting the very groups they want to help. Kind of funny, except that often the people they hurt are then forced into positions where they become dependent on taxpayer subsidies. Go figure, the very idea that anyone is served by becoming dependent on the government for anything is repulsive to conservatives, but liberals just eat that stuff up. Liberal democrat party members have done more damage to the black American public than the Klan ever thought about doing. Welfare policy that took the black father out of the household was worse than the slave owner who sold the parents of black slaves and took them away from their families, because the slave owner never claimed to want to help the people he was hurting. Millions of poor black kids have grown up in single family homes because the liberal democrat party wanted to help them, tell me who the real racists are in that situation?


I'm not dishonest with myself. I know plenty of other liberals that are not dishonest with themselves. This paragraph of yours displays a total lack of understanding of concepts your throwing around. You want to blame them for all of life's troubles without much direct evidence shows its more opinion then fact. That's how the Nazis convinced the Germans that the Jews were bad: it was the Jews that had undermined the whole nation, leaving it in ruins after WW1, while pocketing all the money away. The reality and fact were sadly, very different from the fantasy pushed onto an ignorant population. The educated ones tried to stop those Nazis from acquiring to much power.

'A Liberal Education' was actually favored by business people. To be more 'worldly rounded individual', to 'think on one's feet', and 'consider possibilities and/or think outside the box' were and still are liberal concepts. Most of the nation's scientists are liberal. The more educated one it, the more liberal they tend to be. Because the root of the word 'Liberal' is from Latin, 'Liberalis'. Liberalis means 'freedom, to be free, the process of being free'. Which is why I often chuckle at conservatives bashing and hating that 'Liberalis Media' that operates and doesn't place conservatives. libertarians, Republicans and Tea Party in the most positive light like conservative media sources.

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo
I am sure that you accidentally omitted the rest of my previous post, the part where a famous liberal democrat senator was a racist.


My gosh, a human being was a racist? STOP THE PRESSES! Yes, its possible for anyone to be a racist. Including you. While you can only come up with one example of a liberal in public office that was racist, I can come up with many times that of the conservative/libertarian philosophy.

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo
I am sure that you are just the epitome of intelligence, (okay, probably not) but how can you say that because one white guy wrote a book about how he was treated when he was in black face paint or some other silliness is exemplary of the systematic discrimination against all blacks? If I were betting I would bet the "author" was not hired because he was acting "black" and people just felt something was off about him. I bet the book would not have sold as well if he wrote " Wow, I was not treated any differently" and since authors tend to like to sell books...


Your stating that all authors think alike? That is just laughable. I'm an author, and I don't even think like that. There are many millions if not tens of millions of people that don't think like this; and they are all authors. Authors like to write. Their job might be to write things that other people would buy. Thanks to technology, you are an author! You wrote that post that I'm quoting, right? Well, you just stated you think exactly like that guy as well!

The difference between us being authors is that I have actually published works for sale in addition to posts in online forums.

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ORIGINAL: MarkinLaredo
Bias much?


You would do well to look at what you wrote and consider how bias you have been towards liberals. You really do not understand them. They are first and foremost, your fellow Americans. Second, the 'low information voter' really doesn't help any of your arguments here. Third.....welcome to the forums [:D]




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