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RE: US says Israel caused talks collapse: Ynet - 5/9/2014 7:21:10 AM

MrBukani

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It's no wonder muslims hate jews the most, they invented their religion.

Let's repeat your own link word for word.

The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime."

That war is still fought in many many countries. Not just Israel. Many muslim countries like for instance Syria, Lybia and Indonesia are still doing it.

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RE: US says Israel caused talks collapse: Ynet - 5/9/2014 10:25:41 AM

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Yeah Kerry calling Israeli system apartheid..
Only thing that accomplished is alienating some of your Jewish vote

Take a look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCDT0cW5y4A

The IDF soldiers tell the truth: "This road is for Jews only, that road is for Arabs" Overt, naked racial segregation ie apartheid Israeli style. There are many many more vids at YouTube exposing the same crime of apartheid in the West Bank.

Now tell me that there is no apartheid enforced by Israel in the West Bank.

I don't argue that Israel isn't apartheid.

I argued that Kerry saying so served no constructive purpose for world peace. Especially as obama and team are feckless and incompetent.

On the other hand I predict Jews voting republican will be up slightly in 2014.

I'm glad to hear that you don't contest that Israel is operating an apartheid system in the West Bank.

I am interested to hear why you insist that mentioning this fact "served no constructive purpose for world peace". Surely the US telling the truth about the horror of Israeli apartheid might have brought home to the Israelis precisely what the world thinks of their appalling behaviour.

Because as far as I'm concerned the Israeli's conquered the territories fair and square. If they wanted to expel all the arabs I'd be fine with that too. In fact, they probably *should* have after the wars. But kindness came back to bite them in the ass.

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Remaining silent about an 'ally' committing one of the worst possible racist crimes compromises the US's role in promoting human rights,

Interesting. You think the United states should intervene in the world when its convenient for your purposes, and buty out, again when its convenient to your purposes.

If I had an interest in promoting human rights (which I do not) I assure you it would not start by condemning Israel for segregation in a conquered territory. It might start with condemning saudi arabia for supressing the rights of women. Or syria for gassing rebels. Or australia for exploiting and degrading the aboriginies.

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It would certainly be noticed and receive favourable mention in the Arab world, one area where the US can do with all the friends ...

Who gives a rats ass what a bunch of arabs in the middle east think?
Or For that matter a crazy muslim in australia.

I've told you before tink - as far as I'm concerned, except as a breeding ground for terrorism - I don't give a crap about arab lands. And just like our last discussion, the US has little compelling interest.

We are currently independent of arab oil.

So our (minimal) interests are
Trade through the straights (although this is much more important for europe.. so we should pull out as far as I"m concerned).
Terrorism. We should should have intel ops there.
Support of israel as a US proxy.
Prevention of hegemony by other world players (china russia etc).

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RE: US says Israel caused talks collapse: Ynet - 5/9/2014 7:30:38 PM

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I'm afraid you are going to have to explain to me how the inability of the Palestinians and Israelis to reach a peace agreement is the fault of the Obama Administration.

It's really simple, Tweak.

If your Ford needs a timing belt replaced, and the mechanic steps up and declares he'll take care of it, and then can't, it isn't the Ford that failed. The mechanic failed, and is trying to blame the car. (That's a much better metaphor than you are likely to grasp.)

As for the Palestinians, I don't give a fuck anymore. I say nobody in Israel or the rest of the civilized world should say another word to them in any official way, until the Saudi's or UAE host the meeting at their embassy in Tel Aviv.

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RE: US says Israel caused talks collapse: Ynet - 5/10/2014 4:15:37 AM

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I'm afraid you are going to have to explain to me how the inability of the Palestinians and Israelis to reach a peace agreement is the fault of the Obama Administration.

It's really simple, Tweak.

If your Ford needs a timing belt replaced, and the mechanic steps up and declares he'll take care of it, and then can't, it isn't the Ford that failed. The mechanic failed, and is trying to blame the car. (That's a much better metaphor than you are likely to grasp.)

As for the Palestinians, I don't give a fuck anymore. I say nobody in Israel or the rest of the civilized world should say another word to them in any official way, until the Saudi's or UAE host the meeting at their embassy in Tel Aviv.

It's an analogy not a metaphor and a particularly bad one too. Why? Because the US didn't undertake at any point to "take care of it" or to solve the outstanding issues. The US got the parties who could solve the outstanding issues talking to each other. Sadly, I doubt if your case of Obama Derangement Syndrome will allow you to see that. Your problem.

Many people would question whether a country that practices ethnic cleansing, apartheid as well as encouraging and subsidising its own citizens participation in the war crimes that are State policy, all of which Israel does as a matter of course, would qualify as part of the "civilised world".

A fundamental feature of civilised countries is their adherence to international law and human rights standards. Israeli actions over the decades have demonstrated a consistent contempt for international law and the human rights of Palestinians (and many others), as the record shows.

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RE: US says Israel caused talks collapse: Ynet - 5/10/2014 4:48:45 AM

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Phydeaux

Thank you for an honest post in which you:
* supported war crimes;
* dismissed the crime of Israeli apartheid;
* encouraged ethnic cleansing;
* dismissed the promotion of human rights; and
* were openly contemptuous (racist) of Arabs.

I have no doubt that these appalling sentiments express your thoughts and feelings accurately. Please continue posting in this vein. A single post of yours like this will alienate more people from the horrific policies you advocate than any amount of reasoned argument by critics of those policies - the ugliness and arrogance of your post is overwhelming

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