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Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 7:22:37 PM   
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the Nigerian gov has been trying to down play the actions of the boko haram for some time,trying desperately to portray them selves as somewhat stable and with strong leadership.I'm guessing that they are justifying this with the idea that anything else would mean a loss of confidence in their abilitys,and would be exploited as a weakness by their enemies.Really,if the government of the US of A was in a similar situation,they'd probably do the same thing.

As far as boko haram being connected in any way to the taliban,I doubt it.While they are certainly similar,Nigeria has been a breeding ground for their own form of super fundamentalist crazy since the 70's(look up Mohammed Marwa).Boko haram being the newest in a long line of crazy.By comparison,the taliban look almost centrist(the boko haram actually think that teaching things like the earth is round and the water cycle and evaporation are un islamic...and really,anything from the western world should be rejected......kinda like Kentucky on steroids,but with less guns)

as far as military action,I'd actually love to see the US get involved(this coming from a peacenic hippy),or at least the UN.

A few spec opps deployments,and I'm sure that the boko haram would be history(unlike the taliban,they are not nearly as entrenched into the country,yet).as long as they keep releasing vids like this one,I'm sure we'd be able to find em

it is a tragedy thou,by far,these kinds of extremists are the minority in Nigeria,and outrage at such acts like this will probably keep it that way.It's just a shame that they are able to create such heart ache



It seems there might be a need for another avenue of discussion.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 7:30:29 PM   
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as far as military action,I'd actually love to see the US get involved(this coming from a peacenic hippy),or at least the UN.

A few spec opps deployments,and I'm sure that the boko haram would be history(unlike the taliban,they are not nearly as entrenched into the country,yet).as long as they keep releasing vids like this one,I'm sure we'd be able to find em




Not to throw cold water in on your jerk-off session with the Rambo movie poster, but you do realize Boco Haram uses child soldiers who were just as kidnapped as those schoolgirls, right? That's who the troops would be hunting in the jungle.

Three word solution. Big fat bounty. $5,000,000 on the leader, $2,000,000 on his top men. No questions asked. I'll freely admit it is a fucked up solution, but Nigeria is a fucked up place.



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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 8:13:21 PM   
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We know how to deal with gun crime. Obviously Nigeria should make it illegal to own an assault rifle.

Problem solved.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 8:51:58 PM   
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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 9:06:03 PM   
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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/6/2014 9:16:15 PM   
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Don't be silly. Places with lots of guns are peaceful, because everyone has one, and it deters crime.



Hmmm. Puzzling. I hate the way guns turn what would otherwise be a paradise into someplace awful. Lord knows, the Rwandan genocide couldn't have been committed with gardening tools, now could it, Muse?

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 3:08:27 AM   
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as far as military action,I'd actually love to see the US get involved(this coming from a peacenic hippy),or at least the UN.

A few spec opps deployments,and I'm sure that the boko haram would be history(unlike the taliban,they are not nearly as entrenched into the country,yet).as long as they keep releasing vids like this one,I'm sure we'd be able to find em

it is a tragedy thou,by far,these kinds of extremists are the minority in Nigeria,and outrage at such acts like this will probably keep it that way.It's just a shame that they are able to create such heart ache

Every so often, some deluded nuts come up with an assault on human dignity that is so outrageous it leaves us shaking our heads in disbelief. The horrendous assault on the school and schoolchildren in Beslan by Chechnian terrorists is one such case. This kidnapping of several hundred schoolgirls is another. The footage of the Boko Haran leader threatening to sell the poor schoolgirls was revolting, sickening. By any standard, this is a crime against humanity.

So, I would love to see these animals put of action permanently. But that is not going to be achieved by foreign military intervention. Usually the only thing achieved by foreign military intervention is a great recruiting boost by the terrorists, which have been given a free chance to cast themselves as 'defenders' of the country against foreign interlopers. Foreign military intervention is far and away the single most efficient way of creating terrorists and terrorism, as well as ensuring that terrorists increase their effectiveness, membership and popular support. Africa's history of colonialism and Africans' sensitivities towards their colonial past gives the claim of 'defenders' against colonial interlopers a special cachet. Foreign military intervention would be playing right into the hands of BH, precisely the thing we should be avoiding.

By all means offer the Nigerians such expertise and equipment as they need to support them in their campaign against these thugs. But putting foreign boots on the ground would be a disastrous mistake, most likely to achieve the precise opposite of what is intended.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 3:11:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well the senators in DC want Obama to do something.

As has been pointed out, most of the "troops" that would be engaged are little more than children. Add to that the task of locating where the girls are being held, mounting an operation, etc.

Of course, Obama is sending a team of military and law enforcement personnel to help find these girls.

Lets face it, just about every country on the African continent is tearing its own guts out in the name of whatever cause sounds good. Just what can the rest of the world do to put a stop to it? Nothing.

I cant remember which poster on these boards said it, but I tend to agree, you can not force peace and civilized behavior on a bunch of people who are intent on killing each other.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 3:15:58 AM   
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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 3:38:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are 24 Countries and 145 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved in conflicts on the African continent

In Nigeria:

Mend (Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta)
Niger Delta People’s Volunteer Force (NDPVF)
Boko Haram (islamic sect) since 2002 (signed a cease-fire with government in July 2013)
Ansaru or Vanguard for the Protection of Muslims in Black Africa (islamist group since January 2012)
Ombatse sect
Are also reported continuing ethnic and religious clashes between muslims and christians in Plateau state

These groups are fighting each other and the army, so what do you propose? the girls could be in any of the neighboring countries, which makes the search area rather large, and clearly the vaunted American Spy Satellites so praised by the Bush administration at pinpointing terrorist camps cant seem to locate crap in this case.

Nigeria is tearing its insides out and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 4:37:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Does anyone have suggestions of what we can do to help?


A ribbon campaign might help.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 4:38:08 AM   
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I feel really awful about what's happening in a lot of places in the world but let's give this one a miss; just this once.







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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 6:10:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Does anyone have suggestions of what we can do to help?



Pray

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 6:57:31 AM   
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There are 24 Countries and 145 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups...

Oh noes! Hostilities in Africa? Why, it was always such a peaceful place.

(must be due to climate change)

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 6:59:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm remembering the Nigerians I knew in college. I can see officials in the Nigerian government being so confused that the U.S. is raising big concerns over a few GIRLS, and poor ones at that.

Hmm, how to help. Send guns and money to the school so they can support armed guards to prevent further kidnappings?

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 4:15:01 PM   
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There are 24 Countries and 145 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups...

Oh noes! Hostilities in Africa? Why, it was always such a peaceful place.

(must be due to climate change)

K.




My point was that since the end of the colonial occupation of Africa, they have been doing their fucking best to exterminate every human on the continent.

There are millions if not 10's of millions AK's, Fn-FAL's and various other military grade assault rifles floating around the various open and black markets, I suggest we get arms dealers have a sidewalk sale in every city and village on the continent and we all sit back and wait for the smoke to clear. The same would probably work in the middle east, Afghanistan and other countries who have not learned to get along with themselves.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 7:44:33 PM   
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That's who the troops would be hunting in the jungle.


Just looking on Google earth... there seems to be very little " Jungle"... It looks to be mostly cultivated and plains and a few mountainous areas. I would think it would be pretty hard to hide these women and an army of children...without help from the people or government.

We need to stay out of this directly...I'm all for surveillance and transportation and equipment...but no troops.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/7/2014 8:08:36 PM   
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Some people in this part of the country rightly associate Sambisa forest with wicked and poisonous reptiles such as loud hissing rattle snakes and giant crustaceans crawling underneath the forest vegetation which can be as high as two metres in some sections.

It is not the typical forest one sees along some southern states which could be as high as 100m,

it also graduates from trees as low as half a metre to the extremely thick areas where human skins cannot penetrate without being hurt by thorns if you do not have a cutlass or something to ward them off. That is the nature of the forest which is being manipulated and controlled by Boko Haram who have become masters of the savannah.



My bad, I guess. "Jungle" can refer to any kind of thick vegetation, but it is more commonly understood in terms of dense rain forest. I could have picked a better word

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/8/2014 2:49:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Does anyone have suggestions of what we can do to help?


A ribbon campaign might help.


All the good colors are taken. Pink for tit cancer, blue for asshole cancer, crazy people have green... Actually there are so many ribbon campaigns that many causes share colors.

But I have a solution. There are one or two causes that thought outside the box and as a result their ribbons aren't being confused with other causes. One in particular stands out. The zebra ribbon would be a good choice for two reasons. Obviously when people see zebra stripes they think of Africa, so there's a little recognition there. The other reason is that the zebra stripe ribbon is only being used to create awareness for Stiff Person Syndrome, so there's the "Wedding night with an underage bride" tie-in.

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RE: Imported: #BRINGBACKOURGIRLS - 5/8/2014 6:07:43 AM   
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