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One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 5:34:50 AM   
DaddySatyr


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Status: offline 		Back when we were discussing Colorado's passing of the pot law, I suggested that there were issues that we haven't even thought about that would arise.

This particular issue also makes me wonder of the claims of "not a gateway" drug are just proof that denial isn't just a river in Egypt.







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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 6:32:07 AM   
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Back when we were discussing Colorado's passing of the pot law, I suggested that there were issues that we haven't even thought about that would arise.
This particular issue also makes me wonder of the claims of "not a gateway" drug are just proof that denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
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Perhaps this will "thin the herds?"


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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 6:38:46 AM   
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Pot is a gateway drug because buying it requires you to associate with degenerate pushers who want you hooked on something more lucrative.

If you check historical records of the early 20th century you will find that the main reason marijuana and cocaine were put on the drugs lists to begin with was to give ammunition for racial persecution. I also find it humorous that we needed a huge war on drugs just as they were going to lay off all the extra law enforcement personnel hired to try and enforce liquor prohibition. We lost the war on drugs the minute we tried to forbid recreational drug use altogether.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 6:43:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, actually read the article and realized what they were actually referring to but without the 9th grade science level of knowledge to understand....

Do you know how to make Hash Oil?

You take marijuana and flood it with butane under pressure.
You filter the vegetation out of the butane then let the butane evaporate and you have hash oil remaining.

Example of an extractor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Essential-Honey-Oil-Extractor-Butane-BHO-1-4-Oz-7-grams-710-Labs-/221432731943?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item338e6b5927

Ok, butane is flammable and even explosive in the right mixture.

Don't try extracting hash oil when you are high or things can go BOOM. Darwin principle at its best.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 7:02:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Charged with arson and child abuse? So he blew his house up and hurt the child on purpose? Or just another case of trumped-up charges to pressure the suspect into a plea bargain? I'm not discounting what seems to be a tragedy brought on by negligence, but prosecutors all over the US do the same thing to avoid jury trials. Today, over 90% of defendants don't exercise their "right" to be tried by a jury of their peers. We have all but abandoned one of the pillars of our justice system.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 8:28:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Back when we were discussing Colorado's passing of the pot law, I suggested that there were issues that we haven't even thought about that would arise.

This particular issue also makes me wonder of the claims of "not a gateway" drug are just proof that denial isn't just a river in Egypt.







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According to the article..

"Since Jan. 1, when sales began, the state's only certified adult burn center has treated 10 people with serious injuries they suffered while making hash oil, compared with 11 in 2013 and one in 2012."

it had jumped from 1 in 2012 to 11 in 2013 and the was before the January date. Now while it is possible that the increase this year is due to the new law, that wouldn't explain the increase from the year before.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 1:07:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, I wonder how the Moroccans that discovered hash kept from blowing themselves up with butane a thousand years ago? Oh, they didnt, they used ethanol a liquid at room temperature, and evidently in a well ventilated area.

I agree, with these idiots, let the Darwin Award race begin.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 1:16:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly always thought that hashish came from a different plant so that will show you what I know.

I'd be very interested in knowing (and I've made a few calls, today with no results) how many of those mis-haps, last year came after the vote to legalize but before the new law went into effect (01 JAN).

There are loads of enterprising people in this world and if I didn't have such a disdain for drugs, drug use, and the results that so closely occasion them, I might have gone out and gotten licensed (I used to want to retire to Colorado, before this shit show). My point being that offering something "different" within the new framework of the law is almost to be expected.

But, as I pointed out, months ago, there are a lot of things that a lot of people didn't count on. There was an article recently that the governor wasn't very happy with the vote and that they are making even more in taxes than they projected but that some of the adverse reactions are up higher than they expected, also.

I still think we need a "wait-and-see" but coming from an opponent side of this law to begin with, I have to admit that it won't take much for me to call this experiment a failure.







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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 1:18:37 PM   
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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 3:29:49 PM   
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Back when we were discussing Colorado's passing of the pot law, I suggested that there were issues that we haven't even thought about that would arise.


Actually, I remember that because I agreed with you. IIRC, the thread turned into a fur ball because the people who were supporting legalization refused to consider that others would start modifying the product in order to make it more potent or make more money.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 3:57:51 PM   
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You know, I wonder how the Moroccans that discovered hash kept from blowing themselves up with butane a thousand years ago? Oh, they didnt, they used ethanol a liquid at room temperature, and evidently in a well ventilated area.

I agree, with these idiots, let the Darwin Award race begin.


Butane is just the quick and easy way.

You can also do a lipid extraction with an alcohol solvent removal from the lipid mix.... but, that requires equipment and planning not just shoving your stash in a filter tube and dumping a while can of butane lighter fuel in.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 4:51:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

You know, I wonder how the Moroccans that discovered hash kept from blowing themselves up with butane a thousand years ago? Oh, they didnt, they used ethanol a liquid at room temperature, and evidently in a well ventilated area.

I agree, with these idiots, let the Darwin Award race begin.


Butane is just the quick and easy way.

You can also do a lipid extraction with an alcohol solvent removal from the lipid mix.... but, that requires equipment and planning not just shoving your stash in a filter tube and dumping a while can of butane lighter fuel in.


Not much. 151 or everclear, herb, and a jar. Shake it every day for a few weeks, storing in a dark place. Strain through an old nylon, let liquid evaporate naturally by an open window. Zero chance of kaboom.

Legalization did not cause problems with pot; stupid people did. Do stupid sh*t, expect stupid results.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 6:12:39 PM   
DaddySatyr


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Actually, I remember that because I agreed with you. IIRC, the thread turned into a fur ball because the people who were supporting legalization refused to consider that others would start modifying the product in order to make it more potent or make more money.



My disdain for drugs is well documented. But, that isn't even the bone of contention for me.

With anything that's been illegal for a long time, there's "improvements" that get developed for/from the activity that wouldn't necessarily be common public knowledge.

While I had no idea about this specific process, this is the kind of thing that I knew would surface.

That the activity was to produce an even stronger "high" goes to my concern about the "gateway" argument.







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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 7:20:04 PM   
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Let's ban alcohol sales too, while we're at it.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 7:37:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hash isn't about a stronger high. It's about getting the most out of the plant, by refining the crappy bits into a usable product.

If you want to be worried about something, worry about edibles. Because the drug takes a long time to kick in when eaten rather than smoked, it's common for people to get impatient, eat more, and wind up in a deeply intoxicated state. A Wyoming teenager took a walk off a balcony and died not long ago, doing just that.

I'll wait to see if the thread "poofs," before spending any more time on the subject. They seem to be doing that lately.

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RE: One Of The Things I Was Talking About - 5/7/2014 8:16:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Hash isn't about a stronger high. It's about getting the most out of the plant, by refining the crappy bits into a usable product.

<snip>


QFT. Typical trim contains about 15-20% hash oil by weight. That's not a bad return for leftovers. After ethanol extraction leaf matter goes into the compost. Worms consider it a delicacy. This plant gives its all to the very last.

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