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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 3:40:07 AM   
CandiDanielz


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Next time offer to pay for their train fare to meet you. Maybe they just don't want a wasted trip. And wasted money.


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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 9:27:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzArianaPA

When you open up an email on here, there's a big red message across the top of the page. Might want to check that.


Based on my own experience over the years (and that of other dommes that I am friends with and know in person), yes....if you start talking to a male sub online who is not involved in the local BDSM community at all and who has relatively little experience, the chances of him actually showing up at an arranged first meet are minimal - even with him asking to meet, even after exchanging phone numbers and talking on the phone. I have never once been stood up by a vanilla guy on a vanilla date that I met on a vanilla site My own personal experience with women from vanilla sites is that it is not unusual at all for THEM to be a no show. - but with sub men, I would say there's probably a 60% or so no-call, no-show rate. And I would say that with "dommes" that want a tribute just to meet, the no show rate is going to be much higher than 60%. They get the money and there is absolutely no guarantee that they are going to show up. So much for being the considerate partner who is concerned about a Domme's wants and needs and wanting to serve her. That "considerate partner" thing you mention has to work BOTH ways. As far as I'm concerned, a sub that doesn't show up is bad, but a "domme" that requires a tribute and then doesn't show up is much worse.

I'm saying this so you understand a bit about where she's coming from. But that said - no, I don't think it's appropriate for her to expect tribute to meet and I don't think it's appropriate for you to pay it.

What you CAN do - be consistent. Do what you say you're going to do. Keep in contact regularly - don't disappear for a week at a time and then expect to pick up where you left off. Go to a much or three locally to give yourself some credibility as someone who can actually be real. Be the guy who buys her dinner and brings her flowers or a book or CD you thought she'd enjoy based on your conversations. Be the guy who gets to know her as a person, not just the means to an end for your kinks. Treat her like a human first and foremost. Don't let yourself get caught up in subfrenzy and forget that you have to court her.





I've no doubt that there are a lot of "dommes" demanding money to meet and then not meeting once they've been paid. I also know a few legit ones (as in, I have met face to face) that require a modest tribute in order to get them to meet ~ I don't agree with that tactic nor do I employ it, bu I understand the frustration and annoyance with no-shows that resulted in that requirement.

The best I figure I can do is require that said meet is somewhere I want to be anyway - a munch I was planning on attending anyway, or the old standby of a Barnes and Nobles where I can happily spend time amongst the books with a latte.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 10:04:51 AM   
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I am a Fin Domme so this may just be a findom thing but I can see it both ways. It seems a bit silly to pay someone in advance to meet them when they could easily take the money and not show up. But I have had subs cancel last minute or not show up to meet me in person, which is frustrating, inconsiderate, and a waste of my time. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but if I had requested a tribute to meet I probably could of saved myself some time because I'm assuming the men who were supposed to meet me were fakes. I actually had one cancel a meeting last minute this past weekend after I had already moved my schedule around and turned down other plans so I could meet him as we had been chatting online a couple weeks. So I may start requesting a modest tribute just so I know they're sincere about meeting and I'm not wasting my time.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 11:44:26 AM   
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I've had a few women want me to "prove" myself over the years before deciding to meet me. Whenever they ask for money, I pretty much assume they're fake and just leave it at that. They might be real, sincere and great, but I've been burned so many times by so many other people that I don't go that direction any more. One of the best communications I ever had with a woman who wanted me to prove myself was a person who knew that I was a writer, so her instructions to me were to write her a story that was specifically tailored for her. It took me a lot of time to do, because I wanted it to be just right. And when we did meet, it was well worth the time and effort spent. THAT, to me, is probably the only time I've ever been asked for "proof" that I felt that it benefited both of us. It was a pretty damn good story, too.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 2:17:14 PM   
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Maybe if people spent more then 2 weeks speaking to someone and not demand to be called mistress etc and kept it to a normal vanilla style friendship then they will weed out the players and only get the real. That goes for both sub and domme/don scenarios.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 3:30:51 PM   
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I agree about keeping the chat vanilla. I do the best I can in that sense. But if someone lives locally I don't see a point in chatting online for an extended period of time. Meeting is a much better way to see if you're compatible with someone.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 6:43:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

Maybe if people spent more then 2 weeks speaking to someone and not demand to be called mistress etc and kept it to a normal vanilla style friendship then they will weed out the players and only get the real. That goes for both sub and domme/don scenarios.

It isn't just here or with kinky people. On vanilla dating sites, I've had men press to meet right away or the very next day, then become belligerent because they think you're stalling or not interested enough based upon the instant connection they want to make. Pushy and impatient do not a good impression make, but it saves me time when they prove unsuitable right away instead of further on down the road.

I totally understand that some people place such a higher value on physical-sexual chemistry that they want to meet sooner rather than later. In-person chemistry is very important to me also, so I really do understand this position. But even if chemistry is there, how well can you get to know somebody in a week or less than 2 weeks? This person is still as good as a stranger to you. Suppose you have the often elusive chemistry or instant spark of attraction, but you didn't screen this person for a thousand other factors which can ALSO make or break a relationship? It's easy for somebody to hide that they're married, for instance, within a couple weeks' time but harder for him to keep up the charade for a month or longer, or any number of character deficits. (This is why unless somebody has taken a complete break or sabbatical from this site, it's considered highly suspicious to hide your profile. Women see this as Hidden Profile=Married Cheater or otherwise having deceptive or less-than-honorable intent.)

Besides, for me personally, making a mental connection has to come first and foremost, then the physical. Friendship is foundational, as far as I'm concerned, shared interests, having as much in common as possible, basic compatibility. Most men devalue friendships with women, being put into the "friend" zone--to them it signifies a form of exile; which could very well end up being the case. There are some women, though, myself included, who don't regard friendships with men to be a deserted outpost one has been relegated to, but a starting point instead or else concomitant with their pair-bonding process.

Once money or its equivalent value enters the picture as a direct transaction, then any potential relationship takes on the flavor of a business arrangement, which then takes on the undertone or overtone of pay-for-play. If that's what both parties want, so be it. What's true is that you really can't have it both ways. Either it's a BDSM play arrangement, usually with D/s role-playing thrown into the mix, or it's about forming a serious intimate D/s relationship dynamic. One or the other.

FriendlyMuppet, writing a story for a lady, writing a poem or song, drawing a personal sketch, etc., is so much more significant a romantic gesture than the usual ones (which are still meaningful). Mega brownie points, my man.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 9:14:39 PM   
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I like a more prolonged getting-to-know-you period, but I really prefer to do so in person rather than on a computer.


You can learn a lot more about a person sitting across from them over coffee, or doing an activity that's a little out of their comfort zone (which could be as simple as an ethnic restaurant or a long hike or a trip to the garden center) than you can out of endless online or phone conversations. I also really like to see where someone lives (after a few meetings in a neutral place) because that tells me a whole lot about them (like the "service sub" who wanted to be my houseboy; meanwhile his bathroom hadn't been cleaned in months...if ever)

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/19/2014 11:50:22 PM   
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To the OP,

Just a quick note ... almost all of the Dominant women I know in our local community are single and attend local events stag. I guess things have changed a bit from the 90's ... or maybe it's just in Saskatchewan - lol. I often joke this place is 15 yrs. behind - lol.

To All,

As to meeting schedules ... I also prefer to meet early on in person and get to know someone over a long period in person. I am not interested in more than a few basic emails to establish that we are on the same page and to set up a time line. I never give anyone my phone number until I've hung out with them publicly and feel I can trust them. Blocking someone on this site (or others) is a lot easier than changing my phone number.

Wickad

PS - The OP's actions were bang on concerning the original post.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/20/2014 10:04:44 AM   
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Personally, I avoid the people who require money in order to meet. I know plenty of local munches and events that are open to the public where people can feel comfortable meeting each other. I can understand the desire to have some sort of proof that a person is genuine, and for some people, requiring and tribute is part of that process. And like everything on the internet, there is a chance to get scammed. I have just chosen to avoid that particular risk all together.

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RE: Requests For Money! - 5/20/2014 4:54:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mouse850

Hello Ladies, (and fellow subs for that matter)

I recently responded to the profile of a Lady on here, (Lets assume for now that She was actually a real, genuine Lady) that replied quite quickly that She wanted to meet, but due to Her having been messed about a number of times, She wanted a "one off tribute" and my phone number.

I had no problems giving her my phone number but said, explaining that although I understood her motif, I was very reluctant to send a financial tribute, adding that after talking to me, I was sure she would be fairly confident that I would not let her down. In following correspondences, I made a couple of suggestions, including having me arrive at the arranged meeting point well in advance and sending a proof photo which I would have been very happy to do and having a good telephone conversation so we were both pretty sure that we would be a good fit. However she persisted with the insistence of a tribute in advance so eventually, I refused point blank.

I feel, and please do correct me if I'm wrong here, that if this kind of action makes it all the more difficult for Dommes to find genuine subs like me, but am very interested to hear what others think of it.

Regards,

m




Sorry bud, that was me. I was incredibly horny and....needed $175.00.

(Truly, I apologize).

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