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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 4:36:24 PM   
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No, JLF. I'm sure that there are fine chaps such as yourself - bit nutty when it comes to guns and facial hair, admittedly, but solid and sane when it comes to attitudes to mosques, abortion clinics and so forth.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 5:15:16 PM   
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Right we just have Christians who burn down abortion clinics, put pipe bombs outside of mosques, protest mosques being built, bomb abortion clinics, and murder abortion doctors.


Nor do I support burning down abortion clinics or bombs anywhere.

But as a curiousity - exactly how many abortion doctors have been murdered by Christians wackadoo's I the US.

Four.

So I hardly think the comparison is apt, do you?

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 5:30:53 PM   
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Four.




Four is ok with you?

In the land of the free etc?

wouldn't 0 be a better number?

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 5:35:05 PM   
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I don't really get the point of this post? You're acting like this is somehow news. Honor killings are common in this part of the world. What's your point?

Oh wait, I forgot. Your point is that because leaders and followers of one religion do disgusting things, it's ok for members of other religions to do so? This is your counter to the Catholic kid rapist threads.


(Wow!)

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 5:38:21 PM   
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How predictable

A video and post about the plight of christians in the middle east is twisted to become a vehicle to make a personal attack.


Your ignorance of christian behaviour is manifest. Why is it ok for christians to murder muslims but not vice versa?

As for hating muslims - thats idiotic.

You have posted numerous times indicating your opinion of arabs and muslims and non christians.

My opposition to the things described in the video would be true if it were russians, chinese, buddhist or tea partiers doing it. I am opposed to forced conversions, terrorizations, murder.

The catholic church has used forced conversions for quite a while.


And so should you be.

I am , but you seem to be a little unsure of your support.


But rather than say "oh how terrible" - the lefts response, is predictable. "Oh yes, how racist of Phydeaux".


Well it is pretty obvious. You castigate the ebil moooslims but not christians for the same deeds...so yes we all notice the bias in your posts.


As for why I post - it is to provide reading material which is not in a liberals typical echo chamber.


All I have ever seen in your posts are half truths and whole lies. One does not have to have a political persuasion to notice your disingenuous posts.

Just trying to broaden your horizons.


Looks to me like all you are doin is spreading ignorant unsubstantiated opinion

I must admit to one other motive. I was curious how tweakabelle would respond, and defend the poor noble muslims who are misunderstood. The fact is that over 500k christians have been killed or displaced in the last 10 years in the middle east. Double the number of "palestinians" displaced.

Any validation for this ignorant unsubstantiated opinion?



For those who have heretofore never read a ThompsonX post, he is singularly incapable of using Google.

(He actually doesn't know how to use it).

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 6:19:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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Four.




Four is ok with you?

In the land of the free etc?

wouldn't 0 be a better number?


Apparently you can't understand where, in this post, I have repeatedly repudiated violence like bombing and murder.


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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 6:45:15 PM   
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Facts:
- "Islam" means submission. But to what? To faith, the antithesis of reason. Now some may say Catholics (and I am an atheist, just to make that clear) use faith. Well, they do, but Aquinas essentially attempted to use reason to prove the existence of God. The pure faith-based epistemology of Catholicism is Augustinian, and Augustine was a serious fanatic and head case.
- Shari'a condones the death penalty for homosexuality. Nice, isn't it? But it gets better because as you know, a married Muslim woman who is raped, without sufficient "witnesses" gets stoned to death for adultery. Yes, there are sites on the web that actually show a woman being stoned to death by a Muslim mob. But remember, it's the will of Allah. I think the religious right is nuts. Creationism is moronic. But even the Westboro "God hates f*gs" people, evil as they are, disgusting as they are, even the worst thing they ever dead doesn't come close to what shari'a decrees and Muslims enforce.
- Taqiyya, meaning "dissimulation," is a precept of Islam, when dealing with apostates. Who are apostates? Simple! Anyone not a Muslim: atheists, agnostics, Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Buddhists, Gaia worshippers, you name it, if you ain't with Allah, you are an apostate. What's the penalty for apostates? Oh, yeah, death ... well unless you pay to serve in dhimmitude to be a second class citizen living at the best of the Muslim majority. That's the vision of the caliphate. It's been done before and unlike the Catholics, there is no Muslim Aquinas. You see taqiyya on the world stage, where speeches given in English preach peace and speeches in Arabic (often translated by MEMRI) preach death to Westerners, death to the Jews, death to apostates.
- In Egypt and in Africa, Christians are murdered, raped, and persecuted every day. Churches are burned down or otherwise razed. This is the "proper" treatment for apostates, you see. Those are the lucky ones. The unlucky ones are captured and sold into real sexual slavery often under the age of 10.
- Islam is a political movement. It is not a religion. It seeks world domination. It can only get that if qua Bacon, evil triumphs only when good men do nothing. Or to update that, when everyone is politically correct.
- Anyone who thinks otherwise is advised to post a list not of 4 Christian wackos who bombed abortion clinics but of tens of thousands of terrorist actions (including something about planes flying into buildings). Yes, there are Christian wackos, Jewish wackos, even Taoist wackos. Mental illness can occur anywhere. Here you are talking about a political movement that uses terror as a weapon. It is not psychopaths who commit terror (although they often use uneducated pawns to do the "dirty work" of suicide bombings). The planners -- and in some cases the executors (see 9/11) are well-educated, rich, privileged, intelligent and absolutely, utterly evil. Just like the current head of Al Queda is a medical doctor. bin Laden was among other things, an engineer.
- You can criticize any religion and Christians and Catholics for ritual based on faith; for early wrongs like the Inquisition; for being creationists (typically Protestant Evangelicals); for being prudes; and for a host of other things. But today and for the last few centuries, excluding specialized cases (e.g., the IRA), they're not terrorists. They're not murderers. They're not trying to destroy Western Civ.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:06:30 PM   
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faith, the antithesis of reason


That's pretty debatable, as it could equally be argued the antithesis of faith is fear.

Either way, it's a problem for your self-righteous rant (<--get the irony here?), as your claim begs the question. Now the argument because which set (if indeed either) are "correct," and the rest may flow from there, but not since it's self-evident, but because it's the mirror of your assumptions.

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In Egypt and in Africa, Christians are murdered, raped, and persecuted every day.


It might interest you to know that in fact, Egypt is in Africa. And every day, Muslims are murdered, raped, and persecuted as well.

Problem again is simply the starting point of your view is up for grabs. Different starting point, opposite conclusion.


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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:23:13 PM   
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faith, the antithesis of reason


That's pretty debatable, as it could equally be argued the antithesis of faith is fear.

-> Not really. Faith and reason are epistemological antitheses. Fear is an emotion. It isn't a means of cognition. The antithesis of fear is quite obviously fearlessness, perhaps confidence. Whether the fear is justified or not is another matter.

Either way, it's a problem for your self-righteous rant (<--get the irony here?), as your claim begs the question. Now the argument because which set (if indeed either) are "correct," and the rest may flow from there, but not since it's self-evident, but because it's the mirror of your assumptions.

--> If you mean your comments are themselves self-righteous, then it is indeed ironic. Otherwise it's not irony. I can't parse your second sentence, so I can't respond to it. But it's highly relevant that you didn't actually comment on most of what I said, because after all, it's pretty hard to argue against facts. If you want an opinion, it's that there is no such thing as "moderate" Islam. Moderate Muslims are apostates holding not to the canonical Koran as well as to its doctrine of supersession (later verses supersede anything earlier, so the violent, persecutorial Muhammed of Medina supersedes whatever Muhammed said in Mecca). Again, don't argue with me. It isn't my doctrine. I didn't create it. I just report it.

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In Egypt and in Africa, Christians are murdered, raped, and persecuted every day.


It might interest you to know that in fact, Egypt is in Africa. And every day, Muslims are murdered, raped, and persecuted as well.

Problem again is simply the starting point of your view is up for grabs. Different starting point, opposite conclusion.

--> You're right. I should have written "and in other parts of Africa." At least now I know Egypt isn't between Kansas and Indiana. Thank you for that. You're also right that every day Muslims are murdered, raped and persecuted as well. The main offenders? Other Muslims. Those Shiites and Sunnis (and other sects, don't want another Africa moment here), they just absolutely adore each other. Are some by Christians? Yes. Almost invariably in retaliation for or in defense of (I mean killing, not rape: rape is not a defense) pogroms initiated by Muslims. Again, there are plenty of psychopaths in the world. Some are Christian. They're individual acts, not blessed by imams or verses in the Koran or by an anti-gay, anti-Semitic, anti-human, anti-woman doctrine. If you don't think so, then why don't you take Michael Sam on an all-expenses-paid trip to Iran and see what happens? It's so much easier to criticize someone who won't put out a fatwa on you even though they only disagree with gay marriage (I support it) than it is to criticize someone who wants to execute gays for being gay.



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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:26:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux




Four.




Four is ok with you?

In the land of the free etc?

wouldn't 0 be a better number?


hmmm I didn't read where he said it was OK with him, I DID read where he said it was the factual number...

I also read where he tried to get people to understand that 4 compared to 40,000 is not a fair or reasonable comparison

what really CRACKS me up about this whole argument is when muslems do it, the standard response is well those radicals are the MINORITY, but if ONE man KILLS ONE doctor its the WHOLE of CRISTIANITY that's to blame...

you people just don't even realize how rediculous you sound

here is an example, when a person or even small group of people do something against an abortion clinic, do any churchs stand up and say that's the RIGHT THING TO DO, NOOO, do huge crowds of Christians celebrate in the streets at violent acts? NOOO

but when a car load of Israelis was shot up and everyone in the car including a pregnant woman and her unborn child were killed the ENTIRE TOWN turned out to CELEBRATE

so which seems to be more the MINORITY here, the LONE CHISTIAN who performs a violant act or THOUSANDS of mulsems who CELEBRATE a violent act?

yes yes yes THOMPSON I KNOWWW I KNOWWW UNSUSTANIATED IGNORANCE

ya know when that's the ONLY argument you have to EVERY SINGLE THING SAID you disagree with it just welllllllllll

I bet the people you agree with WISH you were on the OTHER SIDE, cause you make them ALL LOOK BAD!

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:30:41 PM   
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Let's try again.

Faith is only the antithesis of reason if you believe faith is unreasonable. On the other hand, if those of faith are correct, then a lack of faith would be unreasonable.

I don't want to get into a tangent on faith. I'm just pointing out that either way, the starting point of your rant is an assumption, not a bedrock premise.

The twists your "logic" takes from there are not subsequently surprising, given that unpromising beginning.

In short, it begs the question.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:38:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I was curious how tweakabelle would respond, and defend the poor noble muslims who are misunderstood.

Poor thingy you.
You have already been advised of my less-than-complimentary feelings about Islam yet you persist in advancing the lie that I'm a Muslim.

It seems you are blinded by your own BS.


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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:50:29 PM   
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Let's try again.

Faith is only the antithesis of reason if you believe faith is unreasonable. On the other hand, if those of faith are correct, then a lack of faith would be unreasonable.

I don't want to get into a tangent on faith. I'm just pointing out that either way, the starting point of your rant is an assumption, not a bedrock premise.

The twists your "logic" takes from there are not subsequently surprising, given that unpromising beginning.

In short, it begs the question.



--> Well, faith means to believe in something in the absence of evidence. Once there is evidence for it, it's not faith. That's why Aquinas tried to prove God's existence by reason, not by faith. He was a good Aristotelean. Logic requires evidence. I can have faith in anything, for sure. Faith healers don't use medicine. They use faith. That's why Christian Scientist parents get into problems when they "treat" their sick children with faith. When it's a cold, the child gets better. When it's more serious, the child gets worse or dies. That's the result of faith. Now you're free to believe what you want -- anyone is -- but it's just an arbitrary belief. My starting premise is that knowledge requires evidence, reason, and logic. Otherwise, it's not knowledge. It's an arbitrary assertion. So it's not begging the question at all.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 7:58:02 PM   
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That's my point -- this is based on your belief. It's entirely begging the question.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 8:11:47 PM   
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Here's what you get from faith and submission to the "will of Allah": http://news.yahoo.com/american-rushes-sudan-save-pregnant-wife-hanging-182451081--abc-news-topstories.html

See, she's an apostate? Why because they said so. In an act of grand mercy, she won't be executed until she's given birth AND nursed her child. She'll only get the 100 lashes right after she gives birth. There it is. Islam. Full on. Truth. Unvarnished. See it, feel it, grok it.

But it's more important to demonize the CEO of Mozilla because he supported an anti-gay marriage initiative. I'd like to see all of those who made him step down go straight to Nigeria and demand the release of this woman.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 8:12:37 PM   
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“I have a lot of faith. But I am also afraid a lot, and have no real certainty about anything. I remembered something Father Tom had told me--that the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.”


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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 8:21:27 PM   
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Interesting. Thanks, dc.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 8:24:54 PM   
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Reason is not a belief. Otherwise the Sun will start spinning around in the sky while Mars crashes on Earth and destroys the planet, all the while goblins and fairies fiddle about in the air. All while as a last meal, we all eat rebar and sprout horns all over our bodies. The Heaven's Gate cult which castrated themselves waiting for the comet ... now, THAT'S faith. Epistemologically faith and reason are opposites. I'm not dealing with colloquialisms. All of this is simply a way to avoid the factual, objective truth, and a form of postmodernism that posits that all truth is subjective. Which means that postmodernism is subjective and of no value, either.


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That's my point -- this is based on your belief. It's entirely begging the question.


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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 8:53:28 PM   
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You are completely missing the point.

But you're not likely to get it.

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RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... - 5/19/2014 9:09:24 PM   
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No, JLF. I'm sure that there are fine chaps such as yourself - bit nutty when it comes to guns and facial hair, admittedly, but solid and sane when it comes to attitudes to mosques, abortion clinics and so forth.



Alright, you are being nice, even supporting some of my statements.

Now considering my ancestry, when a brit is being nice, he is up to something nefarious.

Now, as for my stand on guns, having watched the movie Shaun of the Dead with that Pegg guy and his partner, just what good will a cricket bat do against a horde of Zombies?

What are you going to do if mixed army of lunatics from former British Colonies decides to get drunk on uncivilized produced whiskey and riot in the streets?

Or in the event of an alien invasion, your cricket bat is going to be useful how?

And more realistically, considering the growing feral hog problem in the UK, what are you going to use to discourage a pack of wild hogs from tearing up your pet and eating it? or you for that matter?

I support reasonable gun control, not the extreme such as bans. If you want to know exactly how insane laws are in the US, check this out

As for facial hair, it has been trimmed for the summer.

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