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ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/19/2014 9:56:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
that might make sense if there had been any stories about other religions doing the same thing and he had been in them claiming it was ok because the muslims did it first. But I honestly don't remember that happening so I am going to go with the theory that your really have no fucking clue why he posted it, but you don't like him very much so you just felt the need to pop in and show us all how witty you can be while pretending to read minds.


Hmmm, funny, I don't recall saying that anyone had done the same thing. I believe I said he seemed to be trying to create a moral equivalency between the two disparate acts. None of which requires mind-reading, it simply requires reading a few of his posts.

Every time there's a post about the catholic church covering up for child rapists, Phydeaux rants about how evil Muslims are and acts as if it's all ok because no one is condemning Muslims for doing the same thing. So no, I don't particularly like him. I don't like the way he accuses anyone making a negative comment about the Catholic church of being a bigot and screaming hate speech.

Are members of the Muslim community doing evil things in the name of religion? Yes, some of them are. Are some Christians doing evil things in the name of religion? Yes, some are.




tweakabelle -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 3:44:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

“I have a lot of faith. But I am also afraid a lot, and have no real certainty about anything. I remembered something Father Tom had told me--that the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.”


― Anne Lamott, Plan B: Further Thoughts on Faith

This explanation of faith seems rather radical - it seems like the opposite of the usual explanation I have received from believers. It is far more intriguing than that explanation I have been given and far less dogmatic. Indeed, it seems to verge on rejecting the notion of dogma.

Faith, as it has been explained to me, acts as a bridge between that which is known and the unknown. It seeks to impose certainty on the gaps between that which humans know and the vast areas which remain unknown or beyond empirical explanation. This explanation, as I understand it, seems to imply that faith is the totality of things known and unknown or perhaps the relationship between humans, the totality of things and a given deity.

Perhaps I am missing something. If so I'd be grateful if you could shine some light on the matter for me.




chatterbox24 -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 3:52:45 AM)

Oh oh oh. I think I know why you posted this. Hmmmmm........could it be they are killing our sisters and brothers over and their children there? And families are disowning their children for speaking out so they can stay alive? Am I a good guesser? Rememeber I am a crazy christian though.
Lets consider changing the argument and say its not christians but 400 thousand homosexuals, atheists etc.
Oh and lets not bring up any churches that have been burnt in the us in history nor the fact anyone different over there need worry about making into a building but being stoned or shot before entry or maybe do it while your locked in there.
oh please you cant even compare the usa to what is going on there. Ridiculous argument! But I do have to remember where I am posting and Thank God this is not the normal response in most places. Thank you Jesus!




PeonForHer -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 4:09:37 AM)

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Oh oh oh. I think I know why you posted this. Hmmmmm........could it be they are killing our sisters and brothers over and their children there?


I guess people here mostly don't see Christians as 'our sisters and brothers and their children'. The mistake is in seeing Christians as 'us' and Muslims as 'them'.




Marc2b -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 4:15:24 AM)

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The mistake is in seeing Christians as 'us' and Muslims as 'them'.


"Us" and "them" is pretty much the cause of most of humanity's problems.




jlf1961 -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 4:50:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Oh oh oh. I think I know why you posted this. Hmmmmm........could it be they are killing our sisters and brothers over and their children there?


I guess people here mostly don't see Christians as 'our sisters and brothers and their children'. The mistake is in seeing Christians as 'us' and Muslims as 'them'.


BINGO, give that man a cigar and a glass of premium single malt Scotch!

As for comparing the US to Islamic countries, no there is no comparison.

Nor was I trying to make one. I mean here in the US we dont have students banned from school functions for their sexual orientation, we dont have people being killed because they look Muslim, we dont have children committing suicide because society has given them no reason to believe there is an alternative, we dont have religious leaders telling people they are going to hell because they are different, and we dont have problems with ethnic groups or sectors of our society so targeted for violence that we have "hate crime" laws.

while you are criticizing the Muslim world, I suggest you look at India with the violence between the Sikhs and Hindu, tribal genocide on the African continent, the brutality of the Burmese government against sectors of their population (I know Burma has a new name, but I cant remember it right now.)





chatterbox24 -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 4:51:32 AM)

It does come between us and them. Not the people of different faiths but the people committing such heinous acts in the name of faith or so called religion. It is very sad.
Its sad both are pitted against each other. I dont hate all muslims, lets get that straight.
Yes christians will become militant when a whole group of people are being extorted or tortued or abused and contrary to popular belief yes even homosexuals or atheists or peaceful muslims or anyone other then the devil himself.
Do not group us with radicals, because so many of us are not.
Its very offensive, but I see many dont care. Thats okay keep spitting on us.




Kirata -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:40:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Faith, as it has been explained to me, acts as a bridge between that which is known and the unknown. It seeks to impose certainty on the gaps between that which humans know and the vast areas which remain unknown or beyond empirical explanation.

Faith without doubt is certainty.

Serious doubt is confirmation of faith ~Paul Tillich

To claim the certainty of "knowing" is hubris; i.e., Pride.

Knowledge is bondage ~Sivasutra I:2

Faith (Gr. pistis) means trust.

K.




thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:41:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Oh oh oh. I think I know why you posted this. Hmmmmm........could it be they are killing our sisters and brothers over and their children there? And families are disowning their children for speaking out so they can stay alive? Am I a good guesser? Rememeber I am a crazy christian though.
Lets consider changing the argument and say its not christians but 400 thousand homosexuals, atheists etc.
Oh and lets not bring up any churches that have been burnt in the us in history nor the fact anyone different over there need worry about making into a building but being stoned or shot before entry or maybe do it while your locked in there.
oh please you cant even compare the usa to what is going on there.


Your ignorance of u.s history is all that keeps you from removing this mindnumbingly stupid post






thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:44:30 AM)

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

It does come between us and them.

Only for those who choose to make it so.




Yes christians will become militant when

There is a little money to be made.






thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:46:54 AM)

For those who have heretofore never read a ThompsonX post, he is singularly incapable of using Google.

(He actually doesn't know how to use it).

When did I become the topic of this thread?




chatterbox24 -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:48:51 AM)

My dog has a message. This might be the problem.

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thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 5:51:31 AM)


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Apparently you can't understand where, in this post, I have repeatedly repudiated violence like bombing and murder.


Have you repudiated the use of force by the u.s. in the sand box?






thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 6:08:31 AM)

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

Facts:
- "Islam" means submission. But to what? To faith, the antithesis of reason.

When one starts from a false premis one can undoubtably find their way to a false conclusion.




Now some may say Catholics (and I am an atheist, just to make that clear) use faith. Well, they do, but Aquinas essentially attempted to use reason to prove the existence of God.


The operant verb here is "attempted"

The pure faith-based epistemology of Catholicism is Augustinian, and Augustine was a serious fanatic and head case.

The word you are looking for here is "sexcadet" he was the pre-eminant horn-dawg of alexandria.

- Shari'a condones the death penalty for homosexuality.


Who knew that mathew shepard was a muslim?[8|]


Nice, isn't it? But it gets better because as you know, a married Muslim woman who is raped, without sufficient "witnesses" gets stoned to death for adultery. Yes, there are sites on the web that actually show a woman being stoned to death by a Muslim mob. But remember, it's the will of Allah. I think the religious right is nuts. Creationism is moronic. But even the Westboro "God hates f*gs" people, evil as they are, disgusting as they are, even the worst thing they ever dead doesn't come close to what shari'a decrees and Muslims enforce.


You mean some muslims don't you?

- Taqiyya, meaning "dissimulation," is a precept of Islam, when dealing with apostates. Who are apostates? Simple! Anyone not a Muslim: atheists, agnostics, Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Buddhists, Gaia worshippers, you name it, if you ain't with Allah, you are an apostate. What's the penalty for apostates? Oh, yeah, death


In the u.s. every president from washington to teddy roosevelt operated on the premis that "the only good indian was a dead indian"...but somehow in your zip code that is different.


... well unless you pay to serve in dhimmitude to be a second class citizen living at the best of the Muslim majority. That's the vision of the caliphate.


Of course no one in the u.s. is a 2nd class citizen[8|]

It's been done before and unlike the Catholics, there is no Muslim Aquinas. You see taqiyya on the world stage, where speeches given in English preach peace and speeches in Arabic (often translated by MEMRI) preach death to Westerners, death to the Jews, death to apostates.


And yet it is the u.s. military that is in the sandbox and not the muslim military in kansas[8|]


- In Egypt and in Africa, Christians are murdered, raped, and persecuted every day. Churches are burned down or otherwise razed. This is the "proper" treatment for apostates, you see. Those are the lucky ones. The unlucky ones are captured and sold into real sexual slavery often under the age of 10.
- Islam is a political movement. It is not a religion. It seeks world domination.


Kinda like capitalism???[8|]



It can only get that if qua Bacon, evil triumphs only when good men do nothing.


And just who the fuck are these "good men" you want to go fuck up the ones you don't like"


Or to update that, when everyone is politically correct.


You are free to use the n word but you must be prepared for the reaction of civilized people.


- You can criticize any religion and Christians and Catholics for ritual based on faith; for early wrongs like the Inquisition; for being creationists (typically Protestant Evangelicals); for being prudes; and for a host of other things. But today and for the last few centuries, excluding specialized cases (e.g., the IRA), they're not terrorists. They're not murderers. They're not trying to destroy Western Civ.


But when christians tried to destroy "eastern civ. dat was kewel????[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 6:16:37 AM)


ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

Here's what you get from faith and submission to the "will of Allah": http://news.yahoo.com/american-rushes-sudan-save-pregnant-wife-hanging-182451081--abc-news-topstories.html

See, she's an apostate? Why because they said so. In an act of grand mercy, she won't be executed until she's given birth AND nursed her child. She'll only get the 100 lashes right after she gives birth. There it is. Islam. Full on. Truth. Unvarnished. See it, feel it, grok it.


If it bothers you that much why don't you go there and do something?

But it's more important to demonize the CEO of Mozilla because he supported an anti-gay marriage initiative. I'd like to see all of those who made him step down go straight to Nigeria and demand the release of this woman.


When nigeria becomes part of the u.s. then you might have the beginnings of an arguement. So far what you have is a pretty simple case of foot stamping.





thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 6:19:19 AM)

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

My dog has a message. This might be the problem.




Just because someone sits down to pee does not mean that I will allow them access to my genitals.




thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 6:25:50 AM)

I also read where he tried to get people to understand that 4 compared to 40,000 is not a fair or reasonable comparison

Since neither number is valid why should there be an attempt at comparison?




chatterbox24 -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 7:28:48 AM)

Well yeah that's ok, I sit down to pee too. But be careful you have to pull your pants down and someone might be trying to wipe you with our constitution whether we like it or not. So anyway stupid here will be careful were I chose to show my ass.
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

My dog has a message. This might be the problem.




Just because someone sits down to pee does not mean that I will allow them access to my genitals.





Marc2b -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 9:32:53 AM)

General Reply.

The message behind the Original Post is not all Muslims as intolerant (although that may be a presupposition of the OP; I don't know him well enough to know one way or the other). The message behind the OP is See! Muslims do nasty things too! So lay off of those groups I identify with!

As for myself, I agree with Bill Maher that "their religious wackos are a lot more wacko than ours."

That aside I am more worried about fundie Christians than fundie Muslims because the former is in a position to influence public policy on such important matters as science (creationism nonsense) and civil rights (anti-gay nonsense). The fundies outside our borders are dangerous because they have access to guns and bombs and a willingness to use them. The fundies inside our borders also have access to guns and bombs but seem more intent on using the most dangerous weapon the ignorant can get their hands on . . . the right to vote. I will never be opposed to any American Citizen's right to vote, but in the hands of some it is truly frightening.

As for faith, I agree with J. Michael Straczynski that: "Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet! You can travel further with both than you can with just one." As for me, I use faith to fill in the gaps not yet filled by reason. Whereas reason speaks of possibilities, faith assures me through the probabilities. Reason tells me that, while it is highly improbable, it is nonetheless possible that the sun may not rise tomorrow . . . but I have faith that it will. I have no use for a faith that flies in the face of all reason.




thompsonx -> RE: Ah those tolerant muslims... (5/20/2014 10:16:39 AM)


ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Well yeah that's ok, I sit down to pee too. But be careful you have to pull your pants down


Sailors whores and officers wives wear pants...men wear trousers.[:D]



and someone might be trying to wipe you with our constitution whether we like it or not. So anyway stupid here will be careful were I chose to show my ass.

I don't mind looking at your ass it is just when you show your ass that you become a pain in the ass.










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