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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For most people (including me) the details of the science goes over heads, or becomes so mind numbingly intricate that people switch off confused.

The one question that everyone can understand and that the sceptics are unable to answer convincingly is why so many respectable climate change scientists are insisting on AGW, putting their reputations and careers on the line, if it is a false idea. The sceptics have two answers to this question;
1. to get research grants; and
2. it's a massive conspiracy to re-distribute wealth (or creeping socialism).

One needs no more than a double digit IQ to recognise that these reasons are totally incredible. Until the deniers come up with a more plausible reason why thousands and thousands of scientists internationally should join a secret conspiracy to re distribute wealth or why they would jeopardise their careers and reputations by engaging in fiction in order to get research grants, the sceptics' claims ought to be treated with derision.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First I suggest you look at this report.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

This sums up the situation shortly and sweetly.

Once again the big lie. "97%" when the actual number is 37%.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

This sums up the situation shortly and sweetly.

Once again the big lie. "97%" when the actual number is 37%.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

We all know this one....statistics don't lie, statisticians however, do.

I think it's clear, man is creating problems on the planet, and it's even clearer with bee's and other issues, we're contributing to events that will affect our future.

Is it sunspots in clearly defined cycles? Fair question.

Is it Malthus finally being proven correct? Equally fair.

Here's the deal: Cyclical sun spots, magnetic cores shifting, niconitides, aliens, far too many rap videos....it's really immaterial....we can do better.

That's how simple it gets.

If EVERYONE portraying man's input is wrong (or right), we are now singularly in all of history, more than any other life form on this planet's history, capable of doing so much better.

Even if we never caused one iota of these events which are becoming clearer by the hour, regardless of their genesis.....we can do better.

It no longer matters who's correct.

We can do better.

That's how simple it gets.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

This sums up the situation shortly and sweetly.

Once again the big lie. "97%" when the actual number is 37%.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

We all know this one....statistics don't lie, statisticians however, do.

I think it's clear, man is creating problems on the planet, and it's even clearer with bee's and other issues, we're contributing to events that will affect our future.

Is it sunspots in clearly defined cycles? Fair question.

Is it Malthus finally being proven correct? Equally fair.

Here's the deal: Cyclical sun spots, magnetic cores shifting, niconitides, aliens, far too many rap videos....it's really immaterial....we can do better.

That's how simple it gets.

If EVERYONE portraying man's input is wrong (or right), we are now singularly in all of history, more than any other life form on this planet's history, capable of doing so much better.

Even if we never caused one iota of these events which are becoming clearer by the hour, regardless of their genesis.....we can do better.

It no longer matters who's correct.

We can do better.

That's how simple it gets.

Nookie - you're missing the point.

In what direction lies *better*.

Eco terrorists would have you believe that renewable energy that results in energy poverty for the west and accomplishes nothing save poverty and the export of millions of jobs is the way to go.. that way lies disaster.

Which is why spain, and german are backing away from their commitment. Its why germanies reliance on coal power has INCREASED over the last 5 years.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hmm, scientists who support climate change theory are primarily found in government service, universities and independent labs.

Scientists who are climate change deniers are usually in the employ of fossil fuel suppliers, funded by people like the Koch brothers and are making big bucks to deny climate change.

Sorry, but I am gonna believe the guys who are not making a 7 digit salary.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hmm, scientists who support climate change theory are primarily found in government service, universities and independent labs.

Scientists who are climate change deniers are usually in the employ of fossil fuel suppliers, funded by people like the Koch brothers and are making big bucks to deny climate change.

Sorry, but I am gonna believe the guys who are not making a 7 digit salary.

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Eco terrorists would have you believe that renewable energy that results in energy poverty for the west and accomplishes nothing save poverty and the export of millions of jobs is the way to go.. that way lies disaster.