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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 11:10:24 AM   
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/17/veterans-groups-blast-obama-plan-private-insurance-pay-service-related-health/

The V.A. now requires you to report of you have insurance. The next step is denial of care if you don't have health insurance.

The current pattern seems to keep a person cycling on station and never actually treat anything. A primary care is slotted about 15 minutes per patient and has to spend twelve of those minutes going through mandatory statistical information gathering on each visit. The primary care physicians are in effect prevented from referring to anywhere they can actually get treatment because you have to show tests requiring the treatment within the last 90 days to see a specialist but appointments are only made at least six months out.

The V.A. is Hospital California and works on Catch 666 principles. (Yes, that is an allusion)


If you have insurance through a private company (i.e. through the Affordable Care Act)....WHY...would you go to the VA Hospital? That was the point of the VA Hospital in the first place; to give good quality care to people that have served in the US Armed Forces, but did not have health insurance.

From the article you cite....
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"Roberts said that 11 veterans service organizations were told to come up with another plan if they didn't like this one. The groups met on Monday with Obama, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki and Office of Management and Budget defense spending chief Steven Kosiak.

"What we've been tasked with now is to raise this money through alternative means and we're supposed to have a conference call in two or three days ... with Rahm Emanuel. So the implication was ... you guys come up with a better idea or this is what's going to happen," Roberts said."
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So these groups did not like the President's plan. So he fired back "Ok, present a better plan". And they dislike that option as well. I mean, holy shit, they get what they demand from the President and STILL are not happy! They want to keep blasting the President when its not even his responsibility to fix; it's Congress's duty. If anything, those veterans groups should be supporting the President in forcing the useless Republican/Tea Party to craft and send through a bill that overhauls the whole system. And when the Republican/Tea Party fails to deliver, throws 'em all out of office!

Further from the article....
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"But Roberts said the president's plan would increase premiums, make insurance unaffordable for veterans and impose a massive hardship on military families. It could also prevent small businesses from hiring veterans who have large health care needs, he said."
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That would be of a plan that HAS NOT BEEN CREATED YET (i.e. a bill through Congress). Its really sad that the American Legion has this person representing them on the national level. How does one arrive at all those accusations, without a shred of evidence to support it? They speak only to FOX News.....

Still further in the article...
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"He added that the argument about the government's moral obligation to treat wounded soldiers, sailors and Marines fell on deaf ears during the meeting."
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Was this a consideration of the founding fathers? You know, what all the crazy conservatives in the nation and on this forum use when arguing for more spending on different projects? Oh....that's right....IT's NOT! Yes, its that liberal desire that all Americans are treated fairly and given good care.....




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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 12:50:30 PM   
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And in fact there are many classes of vets not required to have insurance. I'm like a 6 and VA is my insurance and my Obamacare.


I have heard it said, by more than one woman here, that the number is 69 not 6.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 12:51:01 PM   
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Yeah, I'm 68, blow me and I will owe you one.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 1:27:04 PM   
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Yeah, I'm 68, blow me and I will owe you one.


I'll be 70 soon so someone must have paid your tab while I was meandering through a drug induced topor.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 1:32:27 PM   
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No, not my age, you do 69s, I do 68s..........its a joke huntie, if i have to explain it, its like explaining to nutsackers their fantasies are not real.............yanno?

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/22/2014 2:46:50 PM   
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I do 77s . . . you get 8 more....

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/23/2014 7:09:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

No, not my age, you do 69s, I do 68s..........its a joke huntie, if i have to explain it, its like explaining to nutsackers their fantasies are not real.............yanno?


I am old and I kicked the slats out of my crib the first time I heard that one thus my side step...no amount of explaning will help those who wish not to hear...nutsackers by definition have no ears.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/23/2014 7:11:31 AM   
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I do 77s . . . you get 8 more....



It is eaten not ate.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/23/2014 7:35:31 AM   
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....and that's why you aren't getting eaten more.

I'm pretty confident the joke is appreciated despite the carelessness of its use of tense to take advantage of the paronomasia.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/23/2014 7:41:49 AM   
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....and that's why you aren't getting eaten more.

I'm pretty confident the joke is appreciated despite the carelessness of its use of tense to take advantage of the paronomasia.




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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/24/2014 9:02:31 AM   
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Something to Aid the Discussion...

On the other 'topic' here.....boy do I feel young...

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/24/2014 9:31:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

Something to Aid the Discussion...

On the other 'topic' here.....boy do I feel young...

And yet we still put on the uniform.

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RE: Death Panels, the VA and Obamacare - 5/25/2014 11:27:08 PM   
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If you have insurance through a private company (i.e. through the Affordable Care Act)....WHY...would you go to the VA Hospital? That was the point of the VA Hospital in the first place; to give good quality care to people that have served in the US Armed Forces, but did not have health insurance.


The V.A. was not founded to provide health insurance to only the indigent but to provide medical treatment for injuries sustained by military service and to provide health care to honorably discharged veterans.
Health care for service related problems is part of the contract signed when Uncle Sugar bought a chunk of your life. Just because so many veterans have been damaged and are living rough is no excuse to blow the fact that the Federal Government has failed to live up to its commitments in the realm of health care. I can see the point though. It is much cheaper and easier to just change the rules instead of living up to what had been guaranteed under previous rules.

If you could get decent insurance, you wouldn't have to put up with the V.A. Mandatory coverage does not mean affordable coverage. I can't afford two house payments worth of premiums a month for health insurance.
As far as I can tell, in my case, the Affordable Health Care Act only served to get my insurance canceled and I can't find a replacement. Well, to be honest, I could probably get insurance if I wanted to live on ramen noodles and peanut butter for the rest of my life. And the policy would have a $5000.00 a year deductible with a huge number of exclusions and hoops to jump through to get any actual treatment.
And, consider letting the V.A. bill for what care they give to the insurance company can get up to that $5000.00 deductible then you can go to a real doctor. <evil grin>
Sorry, but health care is not affordable nor available to a huge block of the population even with the mandatory insurance tax.

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