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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 10:56:18 AM   
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In case no one has stated this outright.

Please don't go around shooting each other, just to win a stupid bet. That is asinine.


Sweet darlin' the challange is not about shooting at one another. I will be the only one with a gun. I will be the only one collecting money. The chairborn rangers who grow a pair will only be loosing toes and money.

If you want to toss away ammo and money - I'm happy to give you my address. You can save pain and suffering by just mailing it all to me.

Be still my pounding heart....How much do I have to send to get you to meet me at the boarder...there is a shoot on sight order against me in alabama... (some foolishness about some judges daughter and his wife or some such)....I don't run nearly as fast as I used to.

I'm helpful that way, and a concerned and responsible member of the human race.


Address to my c-mail asap.



I live in Michigan now, so there are quite a few borders between here and Alabama. Kay and I are planning (if all goes as planned, mice and men and plans and all that) to travel south before winter. Send your address and we will add you to our must visit list

ETA, or Kay and I are happy to entertain people for a visit if you can get out of your own state without being shot LOL!

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:03:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		HERE IN THE U.K we are trained to evaluate the situation, and shoot in the leg,
this puts them down, and then depending on what happens next ........
and yes I have had to do this.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:08:49 AM   
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Since I never claimed to own a 1911 I could have lied about having one now could I.

Quite the contrary you said you did not own one...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


And I never claimed to own one. How do you know I own one. To have lied when I said I didn't I would have to own one and you claim to know I lied BS

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:13:08 AM   
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Case closed.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:28:03 AM   
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No you can not beat someone to death in self defense.
Case closed.

My position from the outset, unfortunatly Thompson decided to revive this thread to derail it after using the same subject to derail another thread.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:32:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Doesn't matter. You beat someone to death without a very justifiable cause and an excellent lawyer, your going to jail for a very long time.
You can debate it, have fun with it, talk about it but the truth is you will go to jail.
Goodnight.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:34:21 AM   
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To wit:
I have incorporated a balistic fallacy in my discussion. Not once but have repeated it several times. Yet not one of the self proclaimed experts managed to spot it.


We've spotted all kinds of fallacies in your discussion, not only once but have repeated them several times.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:35:38 AM   
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Doesn't matter. You beat someone to death without a very justifiable cause and an excellent lawyer, your going to jail for a very long time.
You can debate it, have fun with it, talk about it but the truth is you will go to jail.
Goodnight.

Yes, because the beating would contenue well past the point where the person was no longer a threat.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:38:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

In case no one has stated this outright.

Please don't go around shooting each other, just to win a stupid bet. That is asinine.


Let not your heart be troubled. It's just a whole lot of blustering from a bad ass wannabe. It's never going to happen.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:48:03 AM   
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Since I am the one who was "called out" my choice of weapon was a .22 pistol. Specifically a hi-standard auto-loader with a 10 round magazine loaded with wrm (winchester rimfire magnum)40gr.jhp(jacketed hollow point). When fired through a 10" barrel it will achieve about 1800 fps.muzzle velocity.
A running person will move about 9' per second. At 75' it will take the bullet about .024 sec to reach the target. What this means is that the bullet strike will be behind the point of aim by about a quarter of an inch. The foot is moving in a fore and aft direction and an up and down direction not side to side. thus the foot never leaves the sight picture and the point of aim and the point of impact will be seperated by a fraction of an inch.
Was that way too much information?



I'm still thinking that the bet isn't at all outrageous though. Certainly not impossible if someone practices.

I'm putting a dollar that Thompson can do it.

[snip for brevity]



there you go, quoting felch boy so I had to see it.

[snip for brevity]

Theres a damn good reason I have felch on iggy



we can take this way back to the beginning, starting at post 305 here where I said: First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag. http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111


First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag. http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111


then by felch boys own admission where he gives us the link and model number:


Perhaps you might get a grown up to read the big words to you. That is a rifle, we are discussing pistols.
bullets= 40gr.jhp wrm(winchester rimfire magnum)
Pistol=high standard model tx 9252

http://www.highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=90


then snotty tail jumps in to help him with the scam and pull in more suckers:

quote:

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Model TX9252 Thus endeth the lesson, you may sit down and learn the material before you speak, Real0ne.

And I dont even know high standard stuff real well, they could have a ton of them.


Anyone with a brain the size of an amoeba can see from that link that the pistol he said he would use is a long rifle NOT a .22 WinMag

THE FUCKING BOWET WONT EVEN FIT THE DAMN CHAMBER!






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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You were conspicuously absent from base legal this morning.
Car trouble or was it a wet squib?


Posted quite a bit from base legal, at 7:55:44 AM, 8:08:04 AM, 8:32:17 AM, 8:35:52 AM, 8:39:57 AM, 8:44:58 AM, 8:48:26 AM, 8:50:26 AM, 8:55:40 AM, 9:00:21 AM, etc. Would you have known if someone showed up to your mythical lawyer's office, what with you heads-down in your laptop?

How about posting a picture of the base legal office? Or a picture of your High Standard .22?


Something like this.



Good call!

You are 1000% correct!

He is felching as I said all along


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bingo!




The fucking asshelmet idiot picks a gun and bowets dat dont fit! I mean seriously how fucking much more hilarious can this get?







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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 11:59:15 AM   
Cinnamongirl67


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Since I am the one who was "called out" my choice of weapon was a .22 pistol. Specifically a hi-standard auto-loader with a 10 round magazine loaded with wrm (winchester rimfire magnum)40gr.jhp(jacketed hollow point). When fired through a 10" barrel it will achieve about 1800 fps.muzzle velocity.
A running person will move about 9' per second. At 75' it will take the bullet about .024 sec to reach the target. What this means is that the bullet strike will be behind the point of aim by about a quarter of an inch. The foot is moving in a fore and aft direction and an up and down direction not side to side. thus the foot never leaves the sight picture and the point of aim and the point of impact will be seperated by a fraction of an inch.
Was that way too much information?



I'm still thinking that the bet isn't at all outrageous though. Certainly not impossible if someone practices.

I'm putting a dollar that Thompson can do it.

[snip for brevity]



there you go, quoting felch boy so I had to see it.

[snip for brevity]

Theres a damn good reason I have felch on iggy



we can take this way back to the beginning, starting at post 305 here where I said: First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag. http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111


First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag. http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111


then by felch boys own admission where he gives us the link and model number:


Perhaps you might get a grown up to read the big words to you. That is a rifle, we are discussing pistols.
bullets= 40gr.jhp wrm(winchester rimfire magnum)
Pistol=high standard model tx 9252

http://www.highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=90


then snotty tail jumps in to help him with the scam and pull in more suckers:

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Model TX9252 Thus endeth the lesson, you may sit down and learn the material before you speak, Real0ne.

And I dont even know high standard stuff real well, they could have a ton of them.


Anyone with a brain the size of an amoeba can see from that link that the pistol he said he would use is a long rifle NOT a .22 WinMag

THE FUCKING BOWET WONT EVEN FIT THE DAMN CHAMBER!





quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You were conspicuously absent from base legal this morning.
Car trouble or was it a wet squib?


Posted quite a bit from base legal, at 7:55:44 AM, 8:08:04 AM, 8:32:17 AM, 8:35:52 AM, 8:39:57 AM, 8:44:58 AM, 8:48:26 AM, 8:50:26 AM, 8:55:40 AM, 9:00:21 AM, etc. Would you have known if someone showed up to your mythical lawyer's office, what with you heads-down in your laptop?

How about posting a picture of the base legal office? Or a picture of your High Standard .22?


Something like this.



Good call!

You are 1000% correct!

He is felching as I said all along


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1




bingo!




The fucking asshelmet idiot picks a gun and bowets dat dont fit! I mean seriously how fucking much more hilarious can this get?







Want the last word fine. You were told to shut your mouth you want to argue forever. You just need sentenced. Make next time you can keep your trap shut.


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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 12:10:54 PM   
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Want the last word fine. You were told to shut your mouth you want to argue forever. You just need sentenced. Make next time you can keep your trap shut.





Yes I want the last word, tommy le felch just got his ass handed to him in spades after pissing away everyones time with his delusional fantasies?

You have to admit that a sooper dooper marksman trying to put da wong bowets in a gun and betting 25000 buck he can shoot a toe with it is a wee bit bit hiwarious, dont you think.

I just proved it, removing any doubt it was all felching. I'd be in shock if even an ameoba brain would argue the point further when da bowets wont even fit da gun!

.....and the irony is that I said that over 400 posts ago!




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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:36:15 PM   
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This doesn't come from blogs, it comes from books, you know, those things full of sheets of paper like some people use to roll thier smokes.

News flash 300bc bongs replace paper as prefered method of smoking by the upper class.
Excavations of a kurgan in Russia in 2013 revealed that Scythian tribal chiefs used gold bongs 2400 years ago to smoke cannabis and opium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:38:04 PM   
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This doesn't come from blogs, it comes from books, you know, those things full of sheets of paper like some people use to roll thier smokes.


Yet you have have not brought one case to this forum where a shooter was convicted of shooting to wound.
That is why I continually point out that
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

I and others have however shown where the people who try the cases make it more likely that you will be convicted of something else.

So far we just have chin music...no cited cases of someone being convicted for wounding.



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:39:35 PM   
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Since I never claimed to own a 1911 I could have lied about having one now could I.

Quite the contrary you said you did not own one...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


And I never claimed to own one. How do you know I own one. To have lied when I said I didn't I would have to own one and you claim to know I lied BS

Get an adult to read and explain to you I have not said you own one.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:44:59 PM   
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To wit:
I have incorporated a balistic fallacy in my discussion. Not once but have repeated it several times. Yet not one of the self proclaimed experts managed to spot it.
[/quote]

We've spotted all kinds of fallacies in your discussion, not only once but have repeated them several times.

No you have disagreed with my opinion but you have yet to validate any falacy...
You have been played like a banjo homer. Mr. 82 airborn bullshitter. How is it that you do not know that a .22wrm will not fit in the high standard pistol referenced?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:46:54 PM   
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Let not your heart be troubled. It's just a whole lot of blustering from a bad ass wannabe. It's never going to happen.


It is quite obvious to the most casual observer that you lack the balls or the money to back you mouth.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:49:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx




Since I never claimed to own a 1911 I could have lied about having one now could I.

Quite the contrary you said you did not own one...
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


And I never claimed to own one. How do you know I own one. To have lied when I said I didn't I would have to own one and you claim to know I lied BS

Get an adult to read and explain to you I have not said you own one.


You said I lied about having one, you say you didn't say I had one and I said I didn't, you can only say I lied if at the time I made that statement I did have one.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 6:51:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Let not your heart be troubled. It's just a whole lot of blustering from a bad ass wannabe. It's never going to happen.


It is quite obvious to the most casual observer that you lack the balls or the money to back you mouth.

It doesn't take balls to let someone shoot at you, it takes stupidity.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 4/8/2016 7:11:44 PM   
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Since I am the one who was "called out" my choice of weapon was a .22 pistol. Specifically a hi-standard auto-loader with a 10 round magazine loaded with wrm (winchester rimfire magnum)40gr.jhp(jacketed hollow point). When fired through a 10" barrel it will achieve about 1800 fps.muzzle velocity.
A running person will move about 9' per second. At 75' it will take the bullet about .024 sec to reach the target. What this means is that the bullet strike will be behind the point of aim by about a quarter of an inch. The foot is moving in a fore and aft direction and an up and down direction not side to side. thus the foot never leaves the sight picture and the point of aim and the point of impact will be seperated by a fraction of an inch.
Was that way too much information?


Theres a damn good reason I have felch on iggy


we can take this way back to the beginning, starting at post 305 here where I said:
quote:

First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag.
http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111


First there is no high standard 10" barrel winmag.http://highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=111

then by felch boys own admission where he gives us the link and model number:

Perhaps you might get a grown up to read the big words to you. That is a rifle, we are discussing pistols.
bullets= 40gr.jhp wrm(winchester rimfire magnum)
Pistol=high standard model tx 9252

http://www.highstandard.com/index.php/weapons-a-products/weapons?id=90

Anyone with a brain the size of an amoeba can see from that link that the pistol he said he would use is a long rifle NOT a .22 WinMag

It is reassuring to see you admit that you do not have a brain the size of an amoeba. I mean it is something we have all known for a long time but now that you have admitted it don't you feel better?
This shows clearly what an ignorant fool you are. You are the only one calling it a "winmag". I never said winmag I said winchester rimfire magnum. Anyone with a passing acquainance of firearms knows the difference between winmag and winchester rimfire magnum...well anyone except you with the amoeba size brain.


THE FUCKING BOWET WONT EVEN FIT THE DAMN CHAMBER!
The fucking asshelmet idiot picks a gun and bowets dat dont fit! I mean seriously how fucking much more hilarious can this get?

After I told you of the posted fallacy it took you an hour to figgure it out.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.
How does it feel to be played like drum under the hands of of a gene krupa?
Is your ass a little purple?
How does such an expert get slapped around so easily for 400+ post???
Oh wait...I know the answer....
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.






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