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Worldtravelerxo -> Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 1:43:24 PM)

All of a sudden grains and dairy are the devil. I am guilty of cutting both five days a week with two cheat meals throughout the week. Being an Italian woman not having cheese and pasta or bread is a struggle. I recently read a study from the man whose research they've used for the gluten free movement stating cutting gluten isn't actually good for us. I will admit to being a bit vain and conscious of my looks I just wish for once it could be consistent. I will stick with cutting sugar (apart from a daily fruit) as I've felt that helps. What are you all doing?



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 2:44:33 PM)

Here is one of the long and very recent threads about Paleo:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4641068/mpage_4/key_Paleo/tm.htm#4659914



Worldtravelerxo -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 2:47:09 PM)

Thanks, but it doesn't fulfill what I needed. But you seemingly love my posts!



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 2:54:21 PM)

I had to check to see what you meant. I see you are the poster new to the boards starting numerous repetitive threads. You will find others tire of this behavior as well; it is simple courtesy to check out whether a topic already has a recent thread on it when you are new to a forum. But feel free to eschew courtesy as you choose.



Worldtravelerxo -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 2:57:58 PM)

I see that you're a highly confrontational person looking to start trouble. I am very sad for you. You feel the need to try to bully new and younger girls. I've seen that with some of your kind. New to the forum, yes. Not new to cm or Ds I'm not easily bulldozed.



Moderator7 -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 4:43:32 PM)

Hi please keep the discussion to the OP even a repeat one and not on one another. Thank you.



Kaliko -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 5:59:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo

All of a sudden grains and dairy are the devil. I am guilty of cutting both five days a week with two cheat meals throughout the week. Being an Italian woman not having cheese and pasta or bread is a struggle. I recently read a study from the man whose research they've used for the gluten free movement stating cutting gluten isn't actually good for us. I will admit to being a bit vain and conscious of my looks I just wish for once it could be consistent. I will stick with cutting sugar (apart from a daily fruit) as I've felt that helps. What are you all doing?



I'm grain-free these days. Aiming for sugar-free as well. (Added sugar.) But that will take some easing into. I don't eat much anymore - some in my coffee, and some bits from a quality chocolate bar each day - and that's about it.

I am finding grain-free to be a benefit for reasons other than weight loss. But I, too, am an Italian women and not having pasta or bread is a huge struggle. Or, it was. It's getting easier. And, ..I am not truly Paleo. I eat dairy. Though I suspect I might be kicking that at some point in my life.

Anyway, I used to do cheat meals/days as well and I found that when I did so, I lost all benefits. Finally I removed the free day. Why go through all that training and work to eat differently if I'm just going to take a few steps backward each week?

I agree that health information like this is so inconsistent. I have a registered dietitian in my family (who is very pro-Paleo and eats that way herself) so I am fortunate that I'm at least able to call her with questions when they come up.

The long and short of it is, I do what feels good for me. I've eaten many different ways over the years, spanning the line from vegan to now ultra-carnivore. I know when something makes me feel worse and when that happens, I avoid it. (Unless I'm feeling weak. Or weepy. Or I didn't plan ahead.)



AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/24/2014 11:07:47 PM)

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Not really following any specific plan at the moment (I'm also pregnant so not attempting to lose weight). I actually think our understanding of nutrition, particularly when it comes to safe, sustainable weight loss, is still in its infancy and we can expect many many more years of changing advice and conflicting information.

I think Kaliko's 'do what feels good to me' strategy is the way to go. That, and learning to read intelligently and skeptically when news of the next great evil or wonder-diet breaks. It's so easy to get caught up in the hype, much of which is exaggerated and unscientific (if I'm being generous) or downright stupid and money-grabbing.

I'm not paleo. Bread and pasta are too wonderful for me to give up. I am on very limited dairy but that's because of lactose intolerance, not any sort of deliberate choice. Although I don't think cutting out grains and dairy is necessary for most people, the paleo diet does at least seem balanced and nutrient-dense. As always when cutting out a whole food group, real care needs to be taken to ensure we don't miss anything important from our diet - calcium being the big one in this case. Unfortunately, as reasonable as paleo seems as a diet plan, it has definitely fallen victim to the sensational claims which undermine it's credibility. If you're going to sell me a lifestyle, please do so based on hard evidence and not some half-baked romanticized ideas that it's better for me because my ancestors ate like this thousands of years ago. Because a) no they didn't and b) things change.



Worldtravelerxo -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/25/2014 4:59:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

fr

Not really following any specific plan at the moment (I'm also pregnant so not attempting to lose weight). I actually think our understanding of nutrition, particularly when it comes to safe, sustainable weight loss, is still in its infancy and we can expect many many more years of changing advice and conflicting information.

I think Kaliko's 'do what feels good to me' strategy is the way to go. That, and learning to read intelligently and skeptically when news of the next great evil or wonder-diet breaks. It's so easy to get caught up in the hype, much of which is exaggerated and unscientific (if I'm being generous) or downright stupid and money-grabbing.

I'm not paleo. Bread and pasta are too wonderful for me to give up. I am on very limited dairy but that's because of lactose intolerance, not any sort of deliberate choice. Although I don't think cutting out grains and dairy is necessary for most people, the paleo diet does at least seem balanced and nutrient-dense. As always when cutting out a whole food group, real care needs to be taken to ensure we don't miss anything important from our diet - calcium being the big one in this case. Unfortunately, as reasonable as paleo seems as a diet plan, it has definitely fallen victim to the sensational claims which undermine it's credibility. If you're going to sell me a lifestyle, please do so based on hard evidence and not some half-baked romanticized ideas that it's better for me because my ancestors ate like this thousands of years ago. Because a) no they didn't and b) things change.


Congrats on expecting.. I always felt he best when I eat fresh whole food. There really is something to buying quality products, organic fruit and vegetable, grass fed beef and organic free range chicken. Breakfasts are the most difficult for me as I don't eat eggs ( they creep me out ) so I mainly do whey smoothies with almond milk berries and spinach.



Kaliko -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/25/2014 5:40:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo


Breakfasts are the most difficult for me as I don't eat eggs ( they creep me out ) so I mainly do whey smoothies with almond milk berries and spinach.



I just had poached salmon for breakfast. (Okay, I had a poached egg on top of it, but still....) I never would have thought to have salmon for breakfast until I read about it in a Paleo cookbook.



Congratulations, Athena! :)



Worldtravelerxo -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/25/2014 5:50:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo


Breakfasts are the most difficult for me as I don't eat eggs ( they creep me out ) so I mainly do whey smoothies with almond milk berries and spinach.



I just had poached salmon for breakfast. (Okay, I had a poached egg on top of it, but still....) I never would have thought to have salmon for breakfast until I read about it in a Paleo cookbook.


I've been in a kick of using stevia to brûlée half a grapefruit. It's very yummy and different.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Dieting - Paleo, grain free etc? (5/25/2014 6:40:57 AM)

For ten weeks I've been on a semi-paleo diet. To qualify for a surgery I was expecting on my stomach/bowel I needed to shrink my liver so was placed on a semi-paleo diet by a dietician at the hospital I was assigned to. The diet itself couldn't be easier, removing all processed foods, all complete carbohydrates, all cereals, all unnatural sugars and most dairy - I was allowed a yoghurt a day or 1/2 pint of semi skimmed milk.

For breakfast I could have a couple of rashers of grilled bacon with tomatoes and mushrooms - or two eggs cooked any way I liked with tomatoes and shrooms.

For lunch it was 5oz of lean meat or fish and unlimited vegetables including beans or salad.

For dinner 6oz lean meat or oily fish with unlimited vegetables including beans.

I was also allowed x 3 snacks throughout the day to include either the yoghurt or milk, plus nuts and fruit.

It is by far the easiest diet I've been on and the weight just dropped off. The first four/five days were torturous as I went through the detox period and ketosis. However, I stuck with it and I have to say that I have never felt better in my life. My hair shines, my nails are strong and healthy, I no longer feel tired and sluggish, I have an abundance of energy and my brain is switched on - previously I felt 'foggy' due to the tiredness so concentration levels were down and now I have no issue throughout my days. I can't recommend this diet highly enough. I ensure I have plenty of tinned salmon for the calcium as well as plenty of dark leafy vegetables. Once the five day detox period was up I never felt hungry, in fact, I struggled to eat 3/4 of my daily allowance.

Now I no longer need to be on the diet, I've stuck with it. For me it's a way of life now and I will never revert to pumping all that shit into my body I once did. I used to tell people, "I'm a Londoner, I was raised on stodge so there's no way I can cut it out." That was my excuse to keep eating it. Empty calories. I no longer miss bread, cakes or biscuits. I did have a period where I battled the mental addiction to all that stuff that was killing me, I can proudly say that I've kicked that. The only thing I'm addicted to these days is a respect for my health; the general well-being I feel and the drop in two dress sizes since I started the diet proves that it works.




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