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CreativeDominant -> RE: Curiouser and Curiouser (5/29/2014 3:56:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Here's an example of hate speech, not directed against blacks but against women. The author is Paul Elam, whom I am told, is one of the leading 'intellectual' lights of the Men's Rights Movement in the US:
"I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires … And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.
But are these women asking to get raped?
In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking begging for it.
Damn near demanding it.
And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads."
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/ (emphasis in the original, not added by me)
Disturbing stuff by any standard. One ought to bear in mind that the audience Mr Elam in writing for - angry embittered often very violent men who have serious issues with women in general and specifically with their ex-partners - contains many who have long records of violent crimes against women and children. These are the very last people one should be inciting to violence.
Here in Australia Mr Elam would almost certainly be prosecuted for inciting hate and violence against women in the quoted text. In the USA he hasn't been prosecuted for anything. From where I sit, the only possible grounds upon which one might defend Mr Elam's sentiments is that he is entitled to say whatever he wants as part of his right to freedom of speech. I would hope that no one posting here would agree with his sentiments though considering some of the views advanced by members of the looney Right in the past, this hope might be a victory of optimism over realism.
So, which approach is correct? Should Elam be prosecuted for inciting hate and violence? Or does his right to freedom of speech over-ride all other considerations?
He has a right to speak what he wishes to speak. I don't see anywhere in the quotes above where he says to "go ahead and rape these women". He says they deserve it. Ugly opinion but he has the right to it, just as rappers have the right to objectify women in their "songs".
I guess the only thing that saved me...a member of those whose thinking is more right of center than left of center...was having two daughters to raise up to be normal, everyday human beings. NOT the fact that as a person on the right with a conservative mother and father, I was taught to respect women.
Does that mean that I don't think some women ARE asses? No. Does that mean I think those same women should be raped? No. Do I get frustrated and tell some women I know who I've seen pull the crap outlined above that they are acting inappropriately and in a manner that may get them hurt by the guy they are pulling it on? Yes, I do. Of course, I suppose I could just shut my mouth. Then, when it happens that they run into a guy who has spent most of his night and his money on the woman and therefore...wrongly...expects something in return and tries to take it, say "what an asshole that guy is" and nod my head in solemn agreement with the outraged people on the news while pretending not to notice what the woman was doing to incite his behavior, no matter how wrong his behavioral response is.
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