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DesideriScuri -> Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 7:24:32 AM)
Steven A Smith stood up huge. Mark Cuban makes a comment about prejudices that he holds: quote: In this day and age, this country has really come a long way putting any type of bigotry behind us, regardless of who it's toward," Cuban told Inc. magazine. "We've come a long way and with that progress comes a price. We're a lot more vigilant and we're a lot less tolerant of different views, and it's not necessarily easy for everybody to adapt or evolve. I mean, we're all prejudiced in one way or another. If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it's late at night, I'm walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street, there's a guy that has tattoos all over his face -- white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere -- I'm walking back to the other side of the street. And the list goes on of stereotypes that we all live up to and are fearful of. So in my businesses, I try not to be hypocritical. I know that I'm not perfect. I know that I live in a glass house, and it's not appropriate for me to throw stones. Steven A Smith, ESPN host agreed with Cuban and got blasted by people on Twitter, etc. So, what does he do? He goes off.

DomKen -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 8:03:10 AM)
I saw some of this on the ESPN website. It is silly as hell. Cuban was right and so was Smith. Everyone has some prejudices. The better ones of us are aware of it and don't let those prejudices rule us.

vincentML -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 8:21:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I saw some of this on the ESPN website. It is silly as hell. Cuban was right and so was Smith. Everyone has some prejudices. The better ones of us are aware of it and don't let those prejudices rule us. Why did Mark Cuban feel it necessary to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family then? Furthermore, I think you missed the point: Cuban was offering an excuse for Donald Sterling. Cuban did not say the "better ones of us . . . don't let those prejudices rule us." The point is we are ruled by our prejudices but it is politically incorrect to expose them.

tj444 -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 8:31:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I saw some of this on the ESPN website. It is silly as hell. Cuban was right and so was Smith. Everyone has some prejudices. The better ones of us are aware of it and don't let those prejudices rule us. Why did Mark Cuban feel it necessary to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family then? Furthermore, I think you missed the point: Cuban was offering an excuse for Donald Sterling. Cuban did not say the "better ones of us . . . don't let those prejudices rule us." The point is we are ruled by our prejudices but it is politically incorrect to expose them. I am waiting for the NBA to fine & ban Cuban for his comments.. I don't see them as any different than Sterlings.. I expect that all the NBA owners have said things along those lines in the past too.. just they didn't get caught or have that become public.. As I have said before, the NBA is just as bad, it ignored racism for years and this one act (fine & ban on Sterling) does not make them clean.. (it makes them hypocrites)..

thompsonx -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 8:32:56 AM)
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri " If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it's late at night, I'm walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street, there's a guy that has tattoos all over his face -- white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere -- I'm walking back to the other side of the street. " Who here actually believes that mr. cuban and his body guards would cross the street to avoid anyone?[8\|]

DomKen -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 9:29:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I saw some of this on the ESPN website. It is silly as hell. Cuban was right and so was Smith. Everyone has some prejudices. The better ones of us are aware of it and don't let those prejudices rule us. Why did Mark Cuban feel it necessary to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family then? Furthermore, I think you missed the point: Cuban was offering an excuse for Donald Sterling. Cuban did not say the "better ones of us . . . don't let those prejudices rule us." The point is we are ruled by our prejudices but it is politically incorrect to expose them. He used a less than elegant analogy that hurt a family. I can see why he apologized. that does not change the meaning of what he expressed. And he was not excusing Sterling. Try reading what he said again.

Kirata -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 9:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I am waiting for the NBA to fine & ban Cuban for his comments.. I don't see them as any different than Sterlings. There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... ~Jesse Jackson K.

vincentML -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 10:50:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I saw some of this on the ESPN website. It is silly as hell. Cuban was right and so was Smith. Everyone has some prejudices. The better ones of us are aware of it and don't let those prejudices rule us. Why did Mark Cuban feel it necessary to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family then? Furthermore, I think you missed the point: Cuban was offering an excuse for Donald Sterling. Cuban did not say the "better ones of us . . . don't let those prejudices rule us." The point is we are ruled by our prejudices but it is politically incorrect to expose them. He used a less than elegant analogy that hurt a family. I can see why he apologized. that does not change the meaning of what he expressed. And he was not excusing Sterling. Try reading what he said again. Initially Cuban had stated: "I think there's a [league] constitution for a reason, right?" Cuban said before Game 4 of the Mavericks-San Antonio Spurs series. "Because this is a very slippery slope. What Donald said was wrong. It was abhorrent. There's no place for racism in the NBA, any business I'm associated with, and I don't want to be associated with people who have that position. "But at the same time, that's a decision I make. I think you've got to be very, very careful when you start making blanket statements about what people say and think, as opposed to what they do. It's a very, very slippery slope. "Again, there's no excuse for his positions. There's no excuse for what he said. There's no excuse for anybody to support racism. There's no place for it in our league, but there's a very, very, very slippery slope." SOURCE So, while Cuban was not defending Sterling's comments he was offering mediation for them (we all have prejudices and there is a difference between what we say and what we do) and he did object to the league forcing an owner to sell his team (a very slippery slope) As for the Martin family, I never heard or saw any objections from them. Did you? How do you know they were offended? Who spoke for them? Members of the media?

DomKen -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 11:08:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML So, while Cuban was not defending Sterling's comments he was offering mediation for them (we all have prejudices and there is a difference between what we say and what we do) and he did object to the league forcing an owner to sell his team (a very slippery slope) Like I said, He was quite explicit he wasn't defending Sterling.

vincentML -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 12:59:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML So, while Cuban was not defending Sterling's comments he was offering mediation for them (we all have prejudices and there is a difference between what we say and what we do) and he did object to the league forcing an owner to sell his team (a very slippery slope) Like I said, He was quite explicit he wasn't defending Sterling. Simplistic. The real issue is not what he wasn't doing BUT what he was doing. He was attempting to head off a vote by owners to take away another owner's franchise. Now a moot point since the Sterlings are preparing to sell.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 8:22:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML So, while Cuban was not defending Sterling's comments he was offering mediation for them (we all have prejudices and there is a difference between what we say and what we do) and he did object to the league forcing an owner to sell his team (a very slippery slope) Like I said, He was quite explicit he wasn't defending Sterling. Simplistic. The real issue is not what he wasn't doing BUT what he was doing. He was attempting to head off a vote by owners to take away another owner's franchise. Now a moot point since the Sterlings are preparing to sell. From your own ESPN link: quote: "But at the same time, that's a decision I make. I think you've got to be very, very careful when you start making blanket statements about what people say and think, as opposed to what they do. It's a very, very slippery slope. "Again, there's no excuse for his positions. There's no excuse for what [Sterling] said. There's no excuse for anybody to support racism. There's no place for it in our league, but there's a very, very, very slippery slope." ... Houston Rockets owner Leslie Alexander presented an opposing view to Cuban's, telling the Houston Chronicle that he wanted Sterling forced out of the league. *Like Cuban, Alexander interpreted the NBA constitution as not affording the commissioner the power to remove an owner for any reason except gambling.* However, Alexander said he suggested to Silver that all the Clippers players could be given the option to become free agents after this season, a step toward driving Sterling out of the league. ... "In this country, people are allowed to be morons," Cuban said. "They're allowed to be stupid. They're allowed to think idiotic thoughts. Cuban used the example of a black kid in a hoodie. Upon further reflection, he felt that was a poor example, given the Trayvon Martin shooting, so he apologized for using that example. I haven't seen any proof that there was outrage in the Martin family, though there could have been. It's entirely possible that Cuban made his apology in case there was any hurt and pain brought on by his example. Personally, I'd rather someone apologize for saying something, just in case there was a negative impact than to offer it after the outrage occurs (if that's possible anyway). Forcing an apology from someone, even if it's just from public opinion, tends to not come across as genuine as an unforced apology. YRMV

tj444 -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 9:54:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Now a moot point since the Sterlings are preparing to sell. No, apparently the fight is back on again.. [:D] "Donald Sterling changes course, will fight NBA over sale of Clippers"[/i] http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/donald-sterling-vows-fight-sale-los-angeles-clippers-racist-comments-v-stiviano-recordings-052714 and Sterling will win.. http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/nba-lacks-the-authority-to-force-donald-sterling-to-sell-the-clippers-050114 "Donald Sterling’s lawyers say they have gotten offers in excess of $2.5 billion for Clippers" http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/27/report-donald-sterlings-lawyers-say-they-have-gotten-offers-in-excess-of-2-5-billion-for-clippers/

DesideriScuri -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/27/2014 10:23:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 "Donald Sterling’s lawyers say they have gotten offers in excess of $2.5 billion for Clippers" http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/27/report-donald-sterlings-lawyers-say-they-have-gotten-offers-in-excess-of-2-5-billion-for-clippers/ Two thoughts: 1. Offering some monetary amount does not mean the offerer has that money already set to finish the deal. Lots of things have been offered for things that ultimately don't go through. 2. Would Sterling's stupidity to not sell for $2.5B rank as high as his racial ignorance?

tj444 -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/28/2014 11:36:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 "Donald Sterling’s lawyers say they have gotten offers in excess of $2.5 billion for Clippers" http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/27/report-donald-sterlings-lawyers-say-they-have-gotten-offers-in-excess-of-2-5-billion-for-clippers/ Two thoughts: 1. Offering some monetary amount does not mean the offerer has that money already set to finish the deal. Lots of things have been offered for things that ultimately don't go through. 2. Would Sterling's stupidity to not sell for $2.5B rank as high as his racial ignorance? if you go to the trouble of making an offer or talking to the owners lawyer, then imo you are fairly serious.. and those wanting to buy the team are crawling all over each other with more potential buyers throwing their hat in the ring.. at least the team & its revenue has value and income, unlike some of the tech corps with no income getting bought up for billions! [:-] Sterling doesn't need the money, he is a "buy-value-and-hold-forever" type of guy.. I seriously doubt he has ever sold any of his real estate or investments.. plus all that stuff is held in a trust for his kids/family... You may think its stupid for him to turn down that money but then some people don't think short term, they think "what will it be worth in 100 years to my kids, grandkids, great grandkids?".. I think that Japanese people tend to think long term like that.. And I would say, going by what a tightwad Sterling is, his largest objection would be that he would have to pay tax on his "hard earned" profits!.. [;)]

tj444 -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/29/2014 7:03:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 "Donald Sterling’s lawyers say they have gotten offers in excess of $2.5 billion for Clippers" http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/27/report-donald-sterlings-lawyers-say-they-have-gotten-offers-in-excess-of-2-5-billion-for-clippers/ Two thoughts: 1. Offering some monetary amount does not mean the offerer has that money already set to finish the deal. Lots of things have been offered for things that ultimately don't go through. 2. Would Sterling's stupidity to not sell for $2.5B rank as high as his racial ignorance? well,.. looks like Shelly is selling it for $2billion to Ballmer.. but Sterling can still fight it.. we will see what happens now.. [;)] http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--former-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-to-buy-los-angeles-clippers-for-nba-record--2-billion-234227311.html

DomKen -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/29/2014 7:09:54 PM)
What kind of frigging moron refuses to take a check for 2 billion dollars on something you bought for 12 million and that the organization that controls that company is about to kick you out of?

tj444 -> RE: Much respect for this guy... (5/29/2014 7:22:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen What kind of frigging moron refuses to take a check for 2 billion dollars on something you bought for 12 million and that the organization that controls that company is about to kick you out of? someone that doesn't need it??? [:-]

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