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ORIGINAL: Crouchingtiger77
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I would also ask this of any other health issue, for example a person is allergic to peanuts but the Mistress or Master upon learning of this decided to order their slave to be in the presence, the aroma of peanut oil? Or, for those who need, according to every reputable doctor and health care worker to lose weight but the Mistress / Master want their slave to be morbidly obese and there could be hundreds of examples,

Are not these type of persons

A: both irresponsible and to a sense criminally negligent and need to be called on the carpet, both in the kink community and then by the legal community as well?

B. Is there a kink which says one has the right to put another persons in health beccause that gives pleasure or that is the kink of the mistress or master as the case may be?

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ORIGINAL: HausVonHerrin

Judging someone else's kink to be abusive is a slippery slope. The example above is extreme but could be justified. If someone has a slave who is alcoholic but they have been working on building trust and faith in one another for a while and the object of a 'scene' is to expand that trust and open new horizons it could be possible to have her take a drink and use her newly found internal skills in M/s to overcome her desire to drink further. If it works she is stronger and more devoted as a slave.

I have done similar things, taught slaves to use their breathe to get through intense pain and then administered a beating with the instruction to specifically NOT breath through the pain but experience it all. It's scary and difficult but if it works turns out to be a growing experience for the M/s dynamic.

We all have watched someone else's scene and first reaction is 'OMG... that's abusive' but often when we get to know what's going on it's actually beautiful. We can learn a lot as spectators in those situations. I really try not to throw stones for that reason. Watching someone else get pushed to their limits may be scary and look like abuse but it can also be awe inspiring if we have an open mind. As long as they clean up the blood afterward