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TheHeretic -> 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 8:24:27 PM)

So I had this show up in my email today. It seems to be making the rounds, and I thought it was an interesting way to look at our sociopolitical times.


Here are six conundrums of life in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.

3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.

4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they
want America to be more like those other countries.


Thoughts?




dcnovice -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 8:39:00 PM)

Three thoughts:

(a) Better spam filters might help.

(b) Who are the "half" and how are we defining "subsidized"?

(c) In the sixth soundbite, who are "They" and what "other countries" do "They" want the U.S. to be like?

I'm pretty sure I've now given the "6 Conundrums" more thought than their author did.




TheHeretic -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 9:05:27 PM)

It's good to see you feisty, DC. [:)]

I'm assuming we get the "half" from that 47'% people were talking about a couple years ago.




subrob1967 -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 9:13:30 PM)

FR

Wait, I thought we were the 99% Make up my fucking mind already.




DomKen -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 9:16:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So I had this show up in my email today. It seems to be making the rounds, and I thought it was an interesting way to look at our sociopolitical times.


Here are six conundrums of life in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

false, so since the rest of this is built off this false premise it is all false.




DaddySatyr -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 9:30:19 PM)


Keep up, Rob. If you're white, you're automatically rich, racist and part of the 1%-ers.







quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR

Wait, I thought we were the 99% Make up my fucking mind already.





Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 9:59:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So I had this show up in my email today. It seems to be making the rounds, and I thought it was an interesting way to look at our sociopolitical times.


Here are six conundrums of life in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

false, so since the rest of this is built off this false premise it is all false.


Actually this is true - if you parse it properly. America is capitalist, and capitalists (the 1%) are greedy. Half the population is subsidized - to prevent mass starvation and food riots - since they were robbed of their future by the 1%. One merely needs look at the facts honestly, which the author clearly doesn't.
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Zonie63 -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 11:14:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So I had this show up in my email today. It seems to be making the rounds, and I thought it was an interesting way to look at our sociopolitical times.


Here are six conundrums of life in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.

3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.

4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they
want America to be more like those other countries.


Thoughts?


1. I don't think I would agree that "America" is capitalist and greedy, not as a whole. Perhaps at a surface level, perhaps among certain elite, but America is a big and diverse place. Lots of different points of view. As for half of the population being subsidized, that claim would have to be investigated and elaborated on to make any sense. Even assuming that it's true, it wouldn't necessarily conflict with the idea that America is (allegedly) "capitalist and greedy," since there may be very practical reasons for subsidizing a large portion of the population.

2. Whatever percentage of the population is subsidized, I think they would have to be viewed on a case-by-case basis. I don't know that all of them consider themselves victims, although each individual may have certain circumstances in which some might be considered victims. Moreover, a lot of people who aren't subsidized have also expressed that they feel screwed and victimized by the system.

3. Their/Our representatives run the government? What exactly is meant by "run the government"? Like, run it into the ground? Sure, we elect them to office - at least the half of us who bother to vote - although I don't know if that's the "subsidized" half or the "non-subsidized" half.

4. It's not just the poor who are getting poorer. As for the representatives running the government...well, they don't just do it all by themselves. And they don't just represent the poor either, but all the people. But if the politicians, bureaucrats, judges, etc. are screwing things up in the government which has the consequence of making the poor poorer - as well much of the rest of America for that matter, I don't think that can be blamed on the poor. Maybe they are being hoodwinked into voting for bozos, but on that note, we've all been hoodwinked at one time or another.

5. What are the things that the poor have that people in other countries only dream about? It might be a fair statement to say that, on the whole, the poor in America might be better off than the poor in many other countries. There are a number of reasons for this, although it's kind of a false comparison. No doubt there are many countries in this world in which most Americans would probably consider "nightmarish" if they ever had to live there.

6. I think a bit more specificity is needed here. Which countries does this vaguely-defined portion of the population want America to be like? Since American citizens come from all over the world, we might borrow a little or a lot from other countries. We share information, we have cultural exchanges, we study how things are done in other countries, we add their knowledge and experience to our own, and vice versa. If someone in another country has built a better mousetrap, then at least we can have a look at it. It doesn't mean that we become like other countries. We're still our own country, but one aspect of our history is that we're a practical nation overall.




sloguy02246 -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/28/2014 11:36:46 PM)

Any talk of subsidies for the "population" should also include the various types of subsidies (direct and tax-related) given to industries (energy, manufacturing, etc.), agricultural conglomerates and individual farmers, grants for research studies and the arts, loans for small business start-ups, etc., etc.




thishereboi -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 4:56:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Three thoughts:

(a) Better spam filters might help.

(b) Who are the "half" and how are we defining "subsidized"?

(c) In the sixth soundbite, who are "They" and what "other countries" do "They" want the U.S. to be like?

I'm pretty sure I've now given the "6 Conundrums" more thought than their author did.



I have read many posts suggesting we should adopt other countries gun laws and other countries health plans. We are given endless examples of how much better they do it over there. (over there depends on the poster talking at the time, it's not always the same place) There was even one poster who didn't like our speed limits and thought we should be free to drive as fast as we want because that's how they do it in other countries. (we can skip over the part were they had no clue what the actual law here was) For some reason they seemed to think that meant we had less freedom.




thompsonx -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 7:59:47 AM)

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Keep up, Rob. If you're white, you're automatically rich, racist and part of the 1%-ers.


ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Wait, I thought we were the 99% Make up my fucking mind already.


Some are terminally ignorant and proud of it.





thompsonx -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 8:08:21 AM)

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So I had this show up in my email today. It seems to be making the rounds, and I thought it was an interesting way to look at our sociopolitical times.

Who besides you and six or seven other morons thought this?[8|]


Here are six conundrums of life in the United States of America:

1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.


The half that include bill gates,ted turner, adm and cargill?[8|]



2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.



Only the victimized...I am pretty sure that gates et al do not feel that way.

3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.


Actually it is the representatives of the 1% who run the government...lets keep our facts straight.

4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

Because the rich keep getting richer on the backs of the poor.

5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

People living in france would call health care in amerika a nightmare not a dream.

6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they
want America to be more like those other countries.

We have the nightmare of for profit health care and dream of socialized medicine as practiced in the civilized world.

Thoughts?

Your post are filled with the most puerile tripe.




Musicmystery -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 8:15:09 AM)

~FR~

The author and several reactions here alike show how meaningful conversation and solutions are drowned in a sea of false assumptions, exaggerations, and misrepresentations.

Sad all the way around.




cloudboy -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 8:34:54 AM)

That's right you're real victim in the USA, and guys like Tavon Martin had it coming.




Musicmystery -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 8:37:38 AM)

"What happened to America's 'Can do' spirit?"

That's it right there, isn't it -- every one wants to be a victim instead.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 9:47:55 AM)

It became the "Can Do If You Can Afford It And Have The Connections" spirit.
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Musicmystery -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 9:54:05 AM)

More like the "Easier to Make Excuses than Accomplish Goals" spirit.




mnottertail -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 10:25:09 AM)

quote:


1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.


the yet is part and parcel of an excluded middle, this sentence is nonsensical. It degrades precipitously from there.




subrob1967 -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 10:48:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Some are terminally ignorant and proud of it.




I know, and they use bold text to emphasis they're ignorance.




thompsonx -> RE: 6 conundrums (5/29/2014 10:50:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

More like the "Easier to Make Excuses than Accomplish Goals" spirit.



Why is it that those who make excuses etc. are not the recipients of the subsidies where as those like gates,adm.cargill,turner et al who are the recipents hardly snivel at all.




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