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vincentML -> Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 8:54:20 AM)

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The family and followers of one of India's wealthiest Hindu spiritual leaders are fighting a legal battle over whether he is dead or simply in a deep state of meditation.


His Holiness Shri Ashutosh Maharaj, the founder of the Divya Jyoti Jagrati Sansthan religious order with a property estate worth an estimated £100 million, died in January, according to his wife and son.


However, his disciples at his Ashram have refused to let the family take his body for cremation because they claim he is still alive.

According to his followers, based in the Punjab city of Jalandhar, he simply went into a deep Samadhi or meditation and they have frozen his body to preserve it for when he wakes from it.

His body is currently contained in a commercial freezer at their Ashram.

The late – or living – guru, who was in his seventies, established his sect in 1983 to promote "self-awakening to global peace" and to create a world "wherein every individual becomes an embodiment of truth, fraternity and justice through the eternal science of self-realisation".

Today the group has thousands of followers around the world and owns dozens of large properties throughout India, the United States, South America, Australia, the Middle East and Europe, including its British headquarters in Hayes, Middlesex.

While he is thought to have died from a heart attack, his devotees believe he has simply drifted into a deeper form of the meditation he promotes as a pathway to self-realisation.

A statement on the group's website reads: "His Holiness Shri Ashutosh Maharaj ji has been in deep meditative state (Samadhi) since 29th January 2014."

According to one of his aides, who asked not to be named, "Maharaj has been in deep meditation. He has spent many years meditating in sub-zero temperatures in the Himalayas, there is nothing unusual in it. He will return to life as soon as he feels and we will ensure his body is preserved until then", he said.

His body is held in a guarded room in a deep freezer on his 100 acre retreat in Nurmahal, Jalandhar, where only a few elders and sect doctors are allowed to enter.

Although Punjab Police initially confirmed his death, the Punjab High Court later dismissed its status report and local governmental officials said it was a spiritual matter and that the guru's followers cannot be forced to believe he is dead.

Now his wife and son have filed a court application calling for an investigation into the circumstances of his death and for his body to be released for cremation.

His son Dilip Jha, 40, claims his late father's followers are refusing to release his body as a means of retaining control of his vast financial empire.


Apparently a very controversial figure in India this guru had a multitude of followers, many of whom expect a "second coming." I read elsewhere that at a recent birthday party over one million adherents attended. There is no mention of a Will in the news reports. So, the question is: who owns the body and the estate? Secondly, does American ideology of separation of state and religion apply here?

People, we have a problem here that can only be resolved by the great minds of collarchat. Bummer we are not versed in Indian Law. But suppose this were a case in America involving a Christian saint. How should it be decided?





tweakabelle -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 9:38:17 AM)

I have never heard of this character. Yet this case is somewhat reminiscent of one of those cases where shareholders (family) and management (the people insisting that the swami is merely meditating) end up slogging it out in court, much to the respective lawyers' glee and profit.

It seems reasonable to me to suppose that once a religious organisation has amassed a property portfolio worth in excess of $100 million, any spiritual merit the religion may have had is long since disappeared.

So to me it seems likely that the case would be decided on the commercial aspects alone.




vincentML -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 11:01:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I have never heard of this character. Yet this case is somewhat reminiscent of one of those cases where shareholders (family) and management (the people insisting that the swami is merely meditating) end up slogging it out in court, much to the respective lawyers' glee and profit.

It seems reasonable to me to suppose that once a religious organisation has amassed a property portfolio worth in excess of $100 million, any spiritual merit the religion may have had is long since disappeared.


But if the wealth is entrusted in religious and charitable foundations how does this family have a claim? Aren't they just opportunists taking advantage of the accumulation of wealth in his role as a spiritual leader? I presume it wasn't a family business.




Kirata -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 11:35:15 AM)


I have a box of hammers here that want to know why it would be deemed necessary to freeze his body if he was still alive.

K.




tweakabelle -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 11:48:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I have never heard of this character. Yet this case is somewhat reminiscent of one of those cases where shareholders (family) and management (the people insisting that the swami is merely meditating) end up slogging it out in court, much to the respective lawyers' glee and profit.

It seems reasonable to me to suppose that once a religious organisation has amassed a property portfolio worth in excess of $100 million, any spiritual merit the religion may have had is long since disappeared.


But if the wealth is entrusted in religious and charitable foundations how does this family have a claim? Aren't they just opportunists taking advantage of the accumulation of wealth in his role as a spiritual leader? I presume it wasn't a family business.

Aren't both the family and the religious institution being opportunistic here?

It's not clear how this wealth was accumulated, nor who -the swami or the religious institution - is the rightful owner. It might be worth recalling that the Papacy was once a family business of the Borgias .... so I wouldn't dismiss that possibility either.

PS: Any similarity to the famous Monty Python 'dead parrot' sketch is purely coincidental ....[:D]




Zonie63 -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 11:54:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Apparently a very controversial figure in India this guru had a multitude of followers, many of whom expect a "second coming." I read elsewhere that at a recent birthday party over one million adherents attended. There is no mention of a Will in the news reports. So, the question is: who owns the body and the estate? Secondly, does American ideology of separation of state and religion apply here?

People, we have a problem here that can only be resolved by the great minds of collarchat. Bummer we are not versed in Indian Law. But suppose this were a case in America involving a Christian saint. How should it be decided?


Even if he was alive, they put him in a freezer.

I don't know how Indian law would work in this case, although I don't think it would be a violation of separation of church and state by requiring the accounting for a dead body. There's also the rights of the family, so the next of kin would ordinarily be the one with legal authority.

Even in the United States, Freedom of Religion can only go so far. If I say that my religious beliefs tell me that someone isn't dead when they are, in fact, dead, that may be a bit of a stretch.




DomKen -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 4:03:37 PM)

If my religion said put a live person in a freezer then I think the police might take a dim view of my actions.




mnottertail -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 4:11:09 PM)

What make and model of freezer you got.




thompsonx -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:13:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


I have a box of hammers here that want to know why it would be deemed necessary to freeze his body if he was still alive.

K.




Knock that shit off




mnottertail -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:20:24 PM)

wait until you get older, a box of hammers isnt something you can prance around with like an m60 at 19. and you got no supplied laundry, so you gotta wash that shit yourself, we learn clean as we can if we can.




PeonForHer -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:21:09 PM)

Why don't the Indians just ask the US how they worked out whether Dubya was alive or not?




mnottertail -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:31:42 PM)

They're your bleedin sammies, an't they? You ask em, you are the ones living under Sharia Law.




thompsonx -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:39:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

wait until you get older, a box of hammers isnt something you can prance around with like an m60 at 19. and you got no supplied laundry, so you gotta wash that shit yourself, we learn clean as we can if we can.


The gunny always said stay away from crew served weapons and never stand next to anything with an antena on it.




mnottertail -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/30/2014 5:44:40 PM)

I laughed at these armchair generals coming all over themselves about that shotgun with a thompson like machine gun clip shooting punkin slingers. Can you imagine clanking around carrying that shit in front of people who are looking to see you? a mag, 50 rounds of 12 gauge slugs........whats that gotta weigh and sound like? Hell no.

Make me a PFC at least, I want that $135 with combat pay a month to do that shit. Oh, yeah, and I want healthcare, a hole, a box, a stone, and a flag for my momma.




vincentML -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/31/2014 8:47:34 AM)

I gave some second thoughts to this. The solution to the dead/alive question is pretty simple: Just set the body out in the sun for a few days. The body will naturally tell its own self whether it is alive or dead by the stank.

The Foundations have allegedly done a lot of good stuff in the medical field especially according to a Wiki article which has suspiciously disappeared the last few days. However, the whole matter gets sticky if indeed a non profit Trust is involved.




Zonie63 -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/31/2014 1:09:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

I gave some second thoughts to this. The solution to the dead/alive question is pretty simple: Just set the body out in the sun for a few days. The body will naturally tell its own self whether it is alive or dead by the stank.


You'd probably need to have some sort of attendant or guard, to keep away scavengers who might be looking for a snack. Or maybe they could also have video surveillance to prevent anyone from substituting the body with a lifelike android (which they did back when Paul McCartney died back in the 1960s). [;)]

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The Foundations have allegedly done a lot of good stuff in the medical field especially according to a Wiki article which has suspiciously disappeared the last few days. However, the whole matter gets sticky if indeed a non profit Trust is involved.


So, they were doing medical research? Was this guy's death and expected "resurrection" a part of their research?




vincentML -> RE: Shri Ashutosh Maharaj is dead . . sort of, maybe. (5/31/2014 4:33:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

I gave some second thoughts to this. The solution to the dead/alive question is pretty simple: Just set the body out in the sun for a few days. The body will naturally tell its own self whether it is alive or dead by the stank.


You'd probably need to have some sort of attendant or guard, to keep away scavengers who might be looking for a snack. Or maybe they could also have video surveillance to prevent anyone from substituting the body with a lifelike android (which they did back when Paul McCartney died back in the 1960s). [;)]

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The Foundations have allegedly done a lot of good stuff in the medical field especially according to a Wiki article which has suspiciously disappeared the last few days. However, the whole matter gets sticky if indeed a non profit Trust is involved.


So, they were doing medical research? Was this guy's death and expected "resurrection" a part of their research?


Wiki had info about children's hospitals set up by the foundation but I can no longer verify that. This is a page on their website





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