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Moderator3 -> RE: constant money requests (6/12/2014 2:39:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Oh he thinks anyone who is into that fetish is fake, or a whore, or jobless etc.
He disappears and comes back from time to time complaining about this subject.

The admins just love him. I'll be curious as to how the new ones react.



Considering there was some truth to his complaint, we are giving him a fair shake here. It might be nice if we could all admit when there have been mistakes and some cause for some members to be upset. Which we are addressing.

If admins have a personal feeling about any member, they ought to keep it to themselves and it will not effect how they do their job. It is a new day. [;)]




Calibant -> RE: constant money requests (6/13/2014 6:36:31 PM)

Best thing to do is what I do. Just state in your profile that you will not pay tribute. I haven't gotten a single tribute request. Though I am also not as good looking as you so that might be why....




ThePrincessKali -> RE: constant money requests (6/13/2014 10:46:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

That reminds me of:

[image]http://gardenhose.thecomicseries.com/images/comics/649ba837cac33eaca075ecb7e0cba7d5954501658.jpg[/image]

Source.



This is perfection.




TNDommeK -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 12:12:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moderator3


quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Oh he thinks anyone who is into that fetish is fake, or a whore, or jobless etc.
He disappears and comes back from time to time complaining about this subject.

The admins just love him. I'll be curious as to how the new ones react.



Considering there was some truth to his complaint, we are giving him a fair shake here. It might be nice if we could all admit when there have been mistakes and some cause for some members to be upset. Which we are addressing.

If admins have a personal feeling about any member, they ought to keep it to themselves and it will not effect how they do their job. It is a new day. [;)]


I agree with him about the fin ducks (a term used to describe young duck lipped pay me princesses
That rip ppl off). But he normally lumps all fin dommes in one grouping.

The last administration never verbally said they didn't like him, it was an assumption judging on EVERYTIME he responded he was put on [awaiting approval]
But I gotcha, and understand it's a new day.

:)




DaddySatyr -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 12:23:30 AM)


I'd be willing to answer the OP but first, y'all have to pony up a dollar each for a tribute.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




Moderator3 -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 12:29:34 AM)

I find it rather disturbing that an awaiting approval would constitute a dislike coming from a moderator. If we base moderation on favor or disfavor, we have a serious problem, one I will be ready to step all over.

Its real simple. Break the rules/tos or cause problems and we moderate. Don't and we don't.

I do hope that works for everyone. [;)]




TNDommeK -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 9:15:59 AM)

You're right, that was an assumption on my part. He just got on everyone's nerves!
It probably was not right for me to say he was disliked.hell, he mighta been a favorite.. But maybe broke the rules too many times. Idk.
Sorry for any confusion.




GotSteel -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 9:31:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slaveoubliette
I must not fit the demographic kurtuksubb, never got a tribute request... maybe something in your profile is suggest you will pay tribute...


As far as I can tell it exists exclusively as a F/m dynamic. But if I'm wrong about that everyone can feel free to send me money, I get lot's of enjoyment from receiving money........that means I'm a true findom right [:D]




GotSteel -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 9:36:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FortWayneSub
You may not believe it but it is a real fetish for some people. Not one of mine mind you but there are subs out there that really get off on findom.


There are?

My thing is that I've never met one of these subs. With all the time I've spent interacting with other kinksters I've never met a submissive with this fetish.


Anybody have a thread where someone describes the rewards of being findommed?




ThePrincessKali -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 10:56:56 AM)

They exist. Just bc you personally haven't encountered one or don't understand the fetish doesn't make it invalid or not real. I don't understand why anyone would want to be peed on. But that doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. And I think most fin subs rarely, if ever, participate on the discussion end of the site bc of how financial domination is generally viewed. They usually understand how their fetish could appear strange to some and don't want to be judged. And given how harshly the Fin Dommes and findom in general is sometimes viewed on this end, I can see how they would be wary to talk about it.




GotSteel -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 2:09:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
They exist. Just bc you personally haven't encountered one or don't understand the fetish doesn't make it invalid or not real. I don't understand why anyone would want to be peed on. But that doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it.

I'll certainly concede that my knowledge and understanding in no way effect the truth value of a claim. However, they do of course effect whether I believe a claim. For instance, just because you personally haven't encountered Bigfoot or don't understand Bigfoot doesn't make it invalid or not real. However, until such time as one has sufficient evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, skepticism of said claim is reasonable and justified.

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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
And I think most fin subs rarely, if ever, participate on the discussion end of the site bc of how financial domination is generally viewed. They usually understand how their fetish could appear strange to some and don't want to be judged. And given how harshly the Fin Dommes and findom in general is sometimes viewed on this end, I can see how they would be wary to talk about it.

If it's rarely than by all means someone please link me to some finsub posts and dispel my ignorance. If it's never....that seems rather suspicious to me, considering that the portion of the fetish that's viewed negatively (people with their hands out begging for cash) is so heavily represented.




FieryOpal -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 3:18:40 PM)

Your request is meaningless because there is no way to know who is a sock puppet and who isn't, even if they PM you themselves since you cannot verify that they are who they say they are.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'll certainly concede that my knowledge and understanding in no way effect the truth value of a claim. However, they do of course effect whether I believe a claim. For instance, just because you personally haven't encountered Bigfoot or don't understand Bigfoot doesn't make it invalid or not real. However, until such time as one has sufficient evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, skepticism of said claim is reasonable and justified.
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If it's rarely than by all means someone please link me to some finsub posts and dispel my ignorance. If it's never....that seems rather suspicious to me, considering that the portion of the fetish that's viewed negatively (people with their hands out begging for cash) is so heavily represented.


Besides scattered posts here and there on various FinDom threads, here are a few:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4554486/tm.htm "consensual 'blackmail'" (9/28/2013)-- OP is a married male cross-dressing bottom, whose threads follow misogynistic themes.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4584749/tm.htm "FD only real form of online D/s" (11/11/2013)-- OP=male finsub

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4633826/tm.htm "Why are you a findom or why do you seek one?" (2/7/2014)--See posts by male FinSubCA.

http://www.collarchat.com/searchpro.asp?author=payingoinker --Forum Posts for OP of 11/11/13 thread




MistressKel -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 3:51:11 PM)

So, it's ok if I advertise professional Domme services here in the forums (on the appropriate board, of course), but it isn't alright to require that someone who you are fairly certain is a fraud purchase an item from a wishlist to prove they are serious? Or someone who would normally pay a couple hundred bucks for a Pro Domme, to purchase a gift for you if they enjoy your services? Really? What about those people who have fantasies that you normally wouldn't do? You don't think it's ok to suggest a couple of gifts that would make you as happy as you are going to make them?

I mean, come on. Some of the shit people here want would cost them shit-tonnes if they went to a professional...That is called a market.

I have found one slave here that now lives with us (belonging to the Master of the house), one that is moving here in July, and one of my session subs had a profile here--though I did not meet him here, but on fetlife---I think.

Anyhow, I have had several people waste more of my time than I'd care to waste. I have eliminated that problem by using a amazon wishlist...they purchase an item from a list made especially for them (usually contains one or two items that can be purchased as a gift for those who wish to send one), then they either send it to my residence, or their own--depends on the situation. Once I verify their purchase, I don't mind talking to them so much because I can have evidence that they are not just trolling my time.

I do realize that many people have nothing better to do than to sit on a computer all day--and I'm all for that, if it's your thing--however, I could be making money or answering a message from someone who IS sincere, so if I think you're trolling me, I'm going to demand a tribute.

For those who get pissy about it...well, when I read comments from those people, I just wonder what they are trying to cover up for themselves...because I personally think that payments, charges, labels, blah, blah, blah, are between the person choosing to pay, and the person asking for the payment.






AAkasha -> RE: constant money requests (6/14/2014 10:16:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
They exist. Just bc you personally haven't encountered one or don't understand the fetish doesn't make it invalid or not real. I don't understand why anyone would want to be peed on. But that doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it.

I'll certainly concede that my knowledge and understanding in no way effect the truth value of a claim. However, they do of course effect whether I believe a claim. For instance, just because you personally haven't encountered Bigfoot or don't understand Bigfoot doesn't make it invalid or not real. However, until such time as one has sufficient evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, skepticism of said claim is reasonable and justified.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
And I think most fin subs rarely, if ever, participate on the discussion end of the site bc of how financial domination is generally viewed. They usually understand how their fetish could appear strange to some and don't want to be judged. And given how harshly the Fin Dommes and findom in general is sometimes viewed on this end, I can see how they would be wary to talk about it.

If it's rarely than by all means someone please link me to some finsub posts and dispel my ignorance. If it's never....that seems rather suspicious to me, considering that the portion of the fetish that's viewed negatively (people with their hands out begging for cash) is so heavily represented.



I think there are a variety of types of financial masochism, for lack of a better word.

But I will give you two.

First is the desire for exploitation. Feeling used. It manifests in a lot of ways, but some men eroticize financial exploitation. Here's the reality though: I think most men get off on the idea/concept/threat of it, but when they wise up (after orgasm) they are much more logical about their finances. It's just a masturbation fantasy. They like the idea of being exploited but are content to trade emails with a femdom and get off on the threat and laying out of the process, then they orgasm and never part with their money.

The second kind of financial sub is one who has a fantasy about an unobtainable woman, out of his league, a princess, a "goddess" who uses him for money, lavish gifts, but fucks other men. It's similar to cuckolding. But once again, this is something a man can just fantasize about, talk about, get off on, and never part with his money. You know all those pay princesses that complain about the time wasters? These are guys that get hard when they read the exploitative profiles, then email a few times and get off on the degrading threats but they never part with their money.

Rather than question IF the fetish exists, also think about how it is created and manifests itself. Like any fetish. Just as a shoe fetishist might have masturbated with his aunt or babysitters shoes and reinforced that fantasy, a financial sub perhaps fell hard for a girl in his youth who used him for his money but always kept him at arm's length - but he masturbated, a lot, to her image. Or as I mentioned, it's a version of cuckolding - he spends all the money, she fucks other guys. But she's smoking hot and it's degrading to him that she will only be around him when he's spending money. Add onto that more flair if she's really demeaning about it.

These are fetishes that are demanding and honestly if I were a pro femdom they would NOT be worth the time. I have met men with these fetishes and trying to see eye to eye even in a non exploitive way is difficult. Because men that eroticize and fetishize money are the most meticulous about their cash - trust me, all these pay princesses are spinning their wheels most of the time and would make more bank working fast food. They just think it looks easy because part of the draw is to APPEAR like you are drowning in gifts. Most subs are taking these ladies for a ride and getting off on it - which is fine. The market will sort itself out.

Try not to be bothered by it.




PeonForHer -> RE: constant money requests (6/15/2014 4:06:57 AM)

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They like the idea of being exploited but are content to trade emails with a femdom and get off on the threat and laying out of the process, then they orgasm and never part with their money.


Hmm. Now I think about it, the pay-princesses' profiles *do* so often seem to complain about 'time-wasters'. How sad!




TNDommeK -> RE: constant money requests (6/15/2014 10:54:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: FortWayneSub
You may not believe it but it is a real fetish for some people. Not one of mine mind you but there are subs out there that really get off on findom.


There are?

My thing is that I've never met one of these subs. With all the time I've spent interacting with other kinksters I've never met a submissive with this fetish.


Anybody have a thread where someone describes the rewards of being findommed?



There was a WONDERFUL thread called "is fin Domme a legit form if D/s". Some of my subs actually commented there. If you find it and get past the bullshit, it's actually a pretty interesting thread.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: constant money requests (6/15/2014 9:12:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kurtuksubb

Been on this site for many years now , in that time I made a few friends but was alot of requests for tributes phone top ups etc , had a year or so away and thought I'd have a nose back within a few minutes my inbox was beeping away with messages but all the norm few mails back and forth then comes the "so do you wish to tribute" mail .I understand that there is alot of time wasting people on here but paying won't sort them from genuine people , is there any other sites that are less costly than this I'd love to serve again in person or online I just can't afford all these expensive emails ha ha


"are there"




GoddessManko -> RE: constant money requests (6/15/2014 10:22:54 PM)

I like the idea of wallet rape, I just dislike it for myself. I like having the convenience of telling someone to get lost if I want to and not having any expectations.




GotSteel -> RE: constant money requests (6/16/2014 7:28:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I think most men get off on the idea/concept/threat of it, but when they wise up (after orgasm) they are much more logical about their finances. It's just a masturbation fantasy.


Here's the thing, if "most" men were into it we'd be up to our ears in finsubs. If even a significant amount of 10% of men were into it, they'd be as common as homosexuals in the lifestyle.




GotSteel -> RE: constant money requests (6/16/2014 7:38:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
Your request is meaningless because there is no way to know who is a sock puppet and who isn't, even if they PM you themselves since you cannot verify that they are who they say they are.


Thanks for the links I'm still reading through them, but I can't help but note that the very first link isn't someone who finds paying to be sexually rewarding but someone looking for a long term relationship who's been convinced that he'll have to pay in order to get his actual needs met. In his words:

"I envisage any financial side would be simply compensation for the time and effort a Dominatrix would expend in running the arrangement."

It's exactly the sort of thing that gives people the impression that findom is a sort of unsavory arrangement/exploitation as opposed to some sort of legitimate kink.




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