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MrRodgers -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/14/2014 3:49:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The US is Canada's largest market. The problem for Canada is that agricultural, energy, forestry and mining exports account for about 58% of Canada's total exports -- all natural resources. This doesn't create jobs, and it presents a long-term problem for Canada, evidenced in the short run by the various ghost towns and high unemployment away from the key central manufacturing, service jobs (the bulk of Canadian employment) and the software industry. Machinery, equipment, automotive products and other manufactures account for 38% of exports. Except that unemployment in Canada is 6.9 or 7% depending on who you read...similar to the US. But those natural resources do create jobs for getting them out of the ground, finishing them and out of the country. Without them, they'd truly be fucked. Thing is in Canada, if you are in a trade, it is guaranteed you will travel to the work. my online slave has a son, a union carpenter and an ex, a union roofer both of whom have to travel to work and we are talking months at a time. She lives in eastern Ontario and is now in Vancouver for her son's weeding in July and he's been away for months already but expected back in a few weeks for the wedding. He and his fiance both moved west for work to begin with and decided to buy a home out there. So he can figure on coming east of BC for work and a regular basis.

Musicmystery -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/14/2014 4:06:03 PM)
No, they don't create new jobs -- they merely maintain current ones until that particular resource runs out in that town.

MrRodgers -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/14/2014 7:27:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery No, they don't create new jobs -- they merely maintain current ones until that particular resource runs out in that town. To the extent that they too are finding new sources of oil and demand to via exports, has created great jobs. Same goes for coal. Just got off the phone as a matter of fact with my slave's son and he went to BC for his fiance and then travels to Edmonton to work in oil. He often travels to the states for work too.

Musicmystery -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/14/2014 8:44:45 PM)
And yet their unemployment rate remains around 7%. Gosh, you'd think all that job growth would change that . . . . . . if it were real and significant.

MrRodgers -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/14/2014 11:00:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And yet their unemployment rate remains around 7%. Gosh, you'd think all that job growth would change that . . . . . . if it were real and significant. Canada's unemployment rate has fallen about 1/5% or more since it's high around '09. It is specifically the natural resources such oil and gas, as well as timber that have been among the contributors.

tj444 -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/15/2014 6:47:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And yet their unemployment rate remains around 7%. Gosh, you'd think all that job growth would change that . . . . . . if it were real and significant. Canada's unemployment rate has fallen about 1/5% or more since it's high around '09. It is specifically the natural resources such oil and gas, as well as timber that have been among the contributors. maybe the way Canada counts the unemployment rate differs to how the US skews their unemployment rates? what is the US true unemployment rate anyway? Its like comparing apples to oranges.. And too, what is the quality of these jobs? are they full time jobs or just part time jobs? are they good paying jobs with a good future or only minimum wage dead end jobs? "The Great Recession of 2007–09 had severe consequences in both Canada and the United States, including significant net job losses, totalling 430,000 in Canada and 8.7 million in the United States. Fortunately, significant progress has been made since the crisis. The Canadian job market has proved to be particularly resilient, recovering the number of jobs it lost during the recession and adding about 600,000 more. As of December 2013, the United States had regained only about 85 per cent of its job losses. Although unemployment rates in both countries are down significantly from the sharp increases seen during the recession, the recovery in labour markets remains incomplete. For example, an unusually large share of the unemployed have been out of work for six months or more, and many workers who would like to work full time have been able to obtain only part-time employment." http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/boc-review-spring14-zmitrowicz.pdf

Musicmystery -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/15/2014 7:45:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And yet their unemployment rate remains around 7%. Gosh, you'd think all that job growth would change that . . . . . . if it were real and significant. Canada's unemployment rate has fallen about 1/5% or more since it's high around '09. It is specifically the natural resources such oil and gas, as well as timber that have been among the contributors. Canada's unemployment rate rose to 7 per cent in May http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/unemployment-stats/ And if you're gonna cherry pick dates to spin the numbers, let's pick 2008, when it was 6%.

Musicmystery -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/15/2014 7:46:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 maybe the way Canada counts the unemployment rate differs to how the US skews their unemployment rates? what is the US true unemployment rate anyway? Its like comparing apples to oranges. Hey sunshine -- we're not comparing here. Irrelevant in this context.

tj444 -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/15/2014 9:45:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 maybe the way Canada counts the unemployment rate differs to how the US skews their unemployment rates? what is the US true unemployment rate anyway? Its like comparing apples to oranges. Hey sunshine -- we're not comparing here. Irrelevant in this context. tell that to the American people that lost jobs and still haven't found a new one or that now have only a shitty dead end job.. the bottom line is that Canada has recouped the lost jobs and then some plus Canada has minimum wage laws that at least pay more.. oh, and health care there is at no charge to low income people..

Musicmystery -> RE: Corporate Personhood -- What Happens at GM? (6/15/2014 10:06:29 AM)
Clearly, since Canada's unemployment rate was 6% in 2008 and is 7% now, those jobs are not "recouped." As long as you're going to bring in unrelated topics, how about all those starving people in India? [8\|]

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