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Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 2:52:27 PM)
When some future Republican president signs an executive order effectively disbanding the EPA and the IRS, and so on... Are you going to stick to your argument? Tell everyone that, because Obama didn't enforce the pot laws or the immigration laws, no president has to enforce any laws he or she doesn't like? This is an interesting precedent, and one that could well come back and bite leftists on the groin

Needmorenow2014 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 3:11:32 PM)
Here is another post in the Austin craigs list rants and raves. This is not my idea, but it is interesting none the less. The tent city thing sounds like Sheriff Joe in AZ. What do you think of this one? Too bad we can't deport dancing morons too. Oh well that is Minnisoda's problem. here it is: Ending Illegal Immigration Forever (Austin) When will politicians stop pussyfooting around and stop pretending there's no simple solution to stopping the flow of illegal immigration and taking back our Nation? Here is my solution to illegal immigration.... Our current immigration laws classify illegal entry into the United States as a misdemeanor offense; change it to a felony. Publicize the change in our law and give every illegal immigrant in the United States thirty-days to leave or face felony arrest and seizure of all assets.... Using seized assets, construct "tent city" prisons along our Southern borders and require all healthy inmates to finish the construction of a border fence, or otherwise work at assigned jobs within the prison.... Make all arrests a mandatory two-year sentence.... Deport all illegal immigrants with families back to their Country of origin, without recourse.... Changing the law from a misdemeanor offense and threatening to seize all assets, would in itself cause a mass exodus and those refusing to leave will regret the day they were born....

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 3:14:18 PM)
Way to ignore reality! You would have to start gunning them down on sight to make the risk of coming greater than the risk of not coming.

Needmorenow2014 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 3:20:44 PM)
This wasn't my idea, 'cept seizing assets is an interesting concept. So this is the guy that wrote it, tell him what you think. [Removed contact information of an outside source.]

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 3:49:05 PM)
Ah...no. It's not my mission to correct each and every idiot in the world.

HausVonHerrin -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/10/2014 7:55:32 PM)
I've been back in the US for a year and a half after living in Mexico for almost 20 years. When we went south in the mid 90's most of the villages in central america believed gringos kidnapped children to harvest their organs and didn't trust anyone with white skin. Then we shipped our So Cal street gangs there and Mexico sent their cartels to set up shop, now Honduras is more dangerous than Iraq was in the middle of the war there. Those same villages now are packing up their kids and paying a kings ransom to strangers and risking their lives travelling thousands of miles to give them to white skinned people to save them from the terrorists in their country.... Who's fault is that? well the gangs came from the US and the cartels are funded by US dollars from the drug trade in the US. All the money paying for the violence there comes from our use of illegal drugs and our inability to control it. The smugglers or coyotes are actually ex cartel people who learned their trade moving cocaine from central america to the US. To combat the previous abuse of children who we rejected at the border from other countries by child traffickers who picked them up because they had no place to go we have laws that we must consider them for asylum if they are not from Mexico or Canada... hence they must have a hearing. The backlog is 375,000 cases at the moment and there are less then 400 judges or something like that. It takes time to investigate each one. Kids are especially hard to get the whole story. So, we actually do have some responsibility for this situation... we are partially at fault for the problem and our laws are partially responsible for the idea that the kids can stay. Many of the people and kids are actually refugees escaping terror, just like in Somalia and Syria today and just as we demand neighboring countries help out so should we now, we have a hell of a lot more resources than Mexico or any other central american country. I'd say it's a proof of some sort that a mother gives her child to rough dangerous strangers for a thousand mile trip across a hostile country with it's own bandits and terrorists with great risk of death that the situation they are fleeing is truly a humanitarian disaster. It was pretty obvious that this was coming 10 years ago, this didn't come out of the blue and won't be solved overnight. It'd going to take dealing with our silly war on drugs, the cartel problem in the hispanic world, taking the profit out of international drug trade, taking profits out of human trafficking, enforcing borders, enforcing citizenship laws and rules on work in the US and lots more. It seems like no one want to do any of those things, everyone want cheap labor, cheap drugs, cheap farm products etc and no one wants to spend enforcement money to stop anything. So taking care of victims seems like the least we can do as human beings if we aren't going to do the responsible things we should be doing. I can speak from first hand knowledge that those mothers are caring and those kids mostly are good kids and the young ones don't even know why they are being sent away from home by their parents who just want them safe. They are just sad and lonely. No one did this on purpose, Bush signed the law with good intent, Obama didn't sign any new law causing anything. This happened as an unintended consequence of a government not acting quickly on a lot of issues... immigration, drug policy, working with it's neighbors on trade and building strong bonds with central america. Those of us living there saw it coming but no one listened. No conspiracy but 20 years of incompetence.

Needmorenow2014 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 4:17:07 AM)
Just a note about all the complicated stuff here and who is responsible or reprehensible. Saw this on another site and thought it might spark some thoughts from you all. BE SURE TO DO THE MATH. Texas A&M Study Calls Obama 5th Best President in America. Good research work by a fine institution! OBAMA RATED 5th BEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY. From a total of 44 US Presidents: Obama is rated as the 5th best. The A&M's Public Relations Office released this statement "After only 5 years in office, Americans have rated President Obama the 5th best President ever." These are the details according to Texas A&M: 1. Reagan & Lincoln tied for first, 2. Twenty three presidents tied for second, 3. Seventeen other presidents tied for third, 4. Jimmy Carter came in fourth, and 5. Obama came in fifth. This is reasonable... DO THE MATH.

crazyml -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 4:28:24 AM)
And yet, reference to this "study" cannot be found on the A&M site. Hmm... I wonder if it might not be a real, actual, study?

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 4:32:10 AM)
see I heard it a different way Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln and 8 others tied for First. 15 Presidents tied for Second. 17 Presidents tied for Third. Jimmy Carter wowed us all to land in Fourth Place. ..and Barack Obama came in 5th place. still there have only been 43 presidents.... nice try chortle

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 5:38:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Here is another post in the Austin craigs list rants and raves. This is not my idea, but it is interesting none the less. The tent city thing sounds like Sheriff Joe in AZ. What do you think of this one? Too bad we can't deport dancing morons too. Oh well that is Minnisoda's problem. here it is: Ending Illegal Immigration Forever (Austin) When will politicians stop pussyfooting around and stop pretending there's no simple solution to stopping the flow of illegal immigration and taking back our Nation? Here is my solution to illegal immigration.... Our current immigration laws classify illegal entry into the United States as a misdemeanor offense; change it to a felony. Publicize the change in our law and give every illegal immigrant in the United States thirty-days to leave or face felony arrest and seizure of all assets.... Using seized assets, construct "tent city" prisons along our Southern borders and require all healthy inmates to finish the construction of a border fence, or otherwise work at assigned jobs within the prison.... Make all arrests a mandatory two-year sentence.... Deport all illegal immigrants with families back to their Country of origin, without recourse.... Changing the law from a misdemeanor offense and threatening to seize all assets, would in itself cause a mass exodus and those refusing to leave will regret the day they were born.... Yup, you are weapons grade fuckin stupid. Here is the fix. Incarcerate and heinously fine employers of illegal aliens, seize the assets, problem solved in less than an hour. At much less cost, in fact, and our coffers could be increased. Thanks for playing.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 5:51:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml And yet, reference to this "study" cannot be found on the A&M site. Hmm... I wonder if it might not be a real, actual, study? Gee, ya think... ? [:D]

HausVonHerrin -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 8:54:53 AM)
Let's think this through, we already have problems unique to the US and we already have the highest rate of incarceration in the world for countries not at war. So let's just lock more people up and see if that fixes our unique problems? yea, doing more of the same thing to correct what hasn't been corrected in the past is the mark of sanity....... or is it? Let's look up some smart guy's quotes like Einstein's and see what he said. Some of you guys posting here are really cute about it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 8:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Just a note about all the complicated stuff here and who is responsible or reprehensible. Saw this on another site and thought it might spark some thoughts from you all. BE SURE TO DO THE MATH. Texas A&M Study Calls Obama 5th Best President in America. Good research work by a fine institution! OBAMA RATED 5th BEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY. From a total of 44 US Presidents: Obama is rated as the 5th best. The A&M's Public Relations Office released this statement "After only 5 years in office, Americans have rated President Obama the 5th best President ever." These are the details according to Texas A&M: 1. Reagan & Lincoln tied for first, 2. Twenty three presidents tied for second, 3. Seventeen other presidents tied for third, 4. Jimmy Carter came in fourth, and 5. Obama came in fifth. This is reasonable... DO THE MATH. It doesn't surprise me that some conservatives are this gullible. Texas A&M official: Obama study tweeted by Ted Cruz is a hoax http://www.theeagle.com/blogs/reeds_arena/article_a7b45cb0-b12d-11e3-b136-001a4bcf887a.html Or that some, like Cruz, are this dishonest.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 9:00:33 AM)
gullible and dishonest....he hasnt been back

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 9:19:48 AM)
He was telling a joke... [;)] This whole episode belongs on the "ignorance of Liberals" thread

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 9:21:12 AM)
Yeah, I knew it was a joke when an innumerate nutsacker says, "do the math".

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/11/2014 9:21:52 AM)
of course he was....i chortled at him[8\|] nobody could be that dumb....oh wait, I forgot who Im talking to.... maybe you should tell him about the liberal ignorance thread then... cos the "jokes" so far, havent been liberals posting

Needmorenow2014 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/12/2014 5:42:08 AM)
Ok this is mostly for nottedtail, cause he seems like the one that needs help the most in understanding courteous discourse, discussion and debate. Cruze said it was a joke, here is what they posted. Cruz: New study ranks Obama as 5th best President in history. Hard to disagree... #AggieJoke ----------------------------- Agggie guy: The study is clearly a joke. The click-bait headline combines Texas A&M + Obama + "best president," but when you read through the "methodology" Obama is actually the worst president. The A&M spokesman said the chain-joke-spam-letter first cropped up in the early fall and that he wasn't sure why it had just resurfaced. He said the university had not formally distanced themselves from the study because officials didn't want to help it spread. --------------------------- Of course it was a joke, lighten up you lil' silly dancing fule, and whine to yo momma to change your diaper, it is giving you a shitty attitude. And have her teach you how to piss in a pot and not on here. hahaha I just figured why you use that silly pic on your postings, you are dancin' around up and down, cause you gotta go piss and you are about to pee in your diaper. hahaha... --------------------------------- Now lets get back to the OP's issue. I just saw a TV news report on National news and it purports to show a bunch of kids being caught at the border out in the field, one kid was wearing blue jeans and there was an ironed crease in them. Hell if most of us spend an hour walkin' in the hot sun across S. Texas, let alone all the way up thru Mexico, we are gonna be wearing sweat stained and filthy, dusty clothes. And if they just came across the river, why aren't their shoes ever muddy or wet? All these kids look like they are just out for a trip to the Taco-Bell. Now how in the hell does a kid get across Mexico and the Rio Grande without help or transportation and stay in that clean and neat condition? I am just asking, and you should be too, who is behind this, what is their agenda, and why is nobody else noticing this stuff and asking this question. Ok just one more prediction, when this "dust" has settled, I betcha that SOMEONE will take credit for creating lots of jobs. Re: Using the billions and billions of our, the taxpayer, money they will waste on this shit. OK I am out of here, this talking to a dancin' jerk is clearly a waste of my time. And BTW is nutsacker your middle name or last name? You keep using it like it is the only word you know. Shhhhh, listen...... I hear somebody coming over the fence out in my south pasture. I gotta go and check this out. 'Cause no-one else is going to.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/12/2014 7:14:43 AM)
I dont need help from nutsackers apologizing for shitbreathing, I do not suffer fools gladly, in fact, I suffer them not at all. You should be asking yourself, why do I say such imbecilic shit and then become taken aback when told it is imbecilic shit?

joether -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/12/2014 8:09:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Ok this is mostly for nottedtail, cause he seems like the one that needs help the most in understanding courteous discourse, discussion and debate. Cruze said it was a joke, here is what they posted. Cruz: New study ranks Obama as 5th best President in history. Hard to disagree... #AggieJoke This would be the same 'Cruz' character that tried to shut down the US Government on the grounds that he didn't like a particular law, right? Imagine for a moment if the Democrats had done the same, but instead of demanding the removal of the ACA it was the 2nd amendment? And the fury by conservatives for Democrats to do hold the nation hostage during a time of crisis for 'petty politics'. Funny how reality is the oppose and you have no problem with this man STILL existing in America let alone in Congress! Not surprised that Mr. Cruz is as dishonest as he is foolish, stupid, ugly and smells bad! At least we know which part of Hell he comes from.... 'Tail, maybe many things, Needmorenow2014, but what he does have is credibility. He's a known quantity on this forum. You however are not. 'Tail is not giving your hell just for the hell of it; he does that to all the conservative 'nutsackers' (as he calls them). quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Agggie guy: The study is clearly a joke. The click-bait headline combines Texas A&M + Obama + "best president," but when you read through the "methodology" Obama is actually the worst president. The A&M spokesman said the chain-joke-spam-letter first cropped up in the early fall and that he wasn't sure why it had just resurfaced. He said the university had not formally distanced themselves from the study because officials didn't want to help it spread. Go figure, academia trying to be responsible with not fueling 'hateful speech'.... Now if you look at the conservative media sites across the nation, they have all reported this as 'FACTS' rather than as a spoof or joke. That's intellectually, professionally, and down right dishonest. But then, they know 'The Lowest Information Folks' called conservatives/libertarians would never check the information or accuracy nor hold the pseudo-journalists for pushing a total lie as fact. The reason its not on the Free Media in America, is due to the whole thing being a falsehood. If anything the liberal media reported the 'information' as it should have been reported: Giving the people truth and facts to the nature and origin of this 'A&M study'. So why did conservative media not behave in a professional manner, honest manner since the 'information' came to light? They have had easily eight months to do so. Why did conservatives not question the information they are being fed? quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Of course it was a joke, lighten up you lil' silly dancing fule, and whine to yo momma to change your diaper, it is giving you a shitty attitude. And have her teach you how to piss in a pot and not on here. hahaha I just figured why you use that silly pic on your postings, you are dancin' around up and down, cause you gotta go piss and you are about to pee in your diaper. hahaha... Do you recognize this quote: "...cause he seems like the one that needs help the most in understanding courteous discourse, discussion and debate"? I bold it above in this here post, so you can see its owner... I understand. Its 'ok' for you to do it, but if someone else does it to you, its just....WRONG. In other words, you just lost all credibility. quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 I just saw a TV news report on National news and it purports to show a bunch of kids being caught at the border out in the field, one kid was wearing blue jeans and there was an ironed crease in them. Hell if most of us spend an hour walkin' in the hot sun across S. Texas, let alone all the way up thru Mexico, we are gonna be wearing sweat stained and filthy, dusty clothes. And if they just came across the river, why aren't their shoes ever muddy or wet? All these kids look like they are just out for a trip to the Taco-Bell. Given that you just shot both your feet on the whole 'having credibility' part in this thread, I think its fair to ask you to provide us with one or more links showing this 'information' to be accurate. quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Now how in the hell does a kid get across Mexico and the Rio Grande without help or transportation and stay in that clean and neat condition? Why don't you ask him. Rather than using the conservative 'enhanced interrogation techniques' (aka TORTURE), maybe give the kid a decent meal and obtain information like a decent human being might do. quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 I am just asking, and you should be too, who is behind this, what is their agenda, and why is nobody else noticing this stuff and asking this question. You are assuming a conspiracy; it would be up to you to provide the support to your accusations. In this country, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW. An internet forum, devoted to bdsm, is NOT a court room. Further, the problem here is not the end of the journey, but its start. Why are they leaving, crossing large expanses and many dangers to come to the United States of America? Given psychology and biology, I would wager something more terrible exists in their area forcing them to leave. And that sending them back is not going to fix the problem. quote: ORIGINAL: Needmorenow2014 Ok just one more prediction, when this "dust" has settled, I betcha that SOMEONE will take credit for creating lots of jobs. Re: Using the billions and billions of our, the taxpayer, money they will waste on this shit. Yeah, Mr. Obama asked for $3.7 billion, his predecessor asked and got over a trillion.... If 'fiscal conservatives' are so up in arms over a pokey $3.7 billion, why is it they are dead quiet on the 'over the top' spending habits of the very people they keep voting into public office?

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