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Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 5:36:36 PM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/politics/primaries-cantor/index.html
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 5:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		A Great Day for the U S A ! The really sweet thing about this is the Tea-crazy who beat him will likely be a pariah with the establishment Radicals, and in any event will be low creep on the totem pole. There goes a whole lotta Radical horsepower!


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 6:33:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Brat is "crazy." Let's see. He has a Master's in Divinity from Princeton. I'm getting older, but I seem to remember that's in this thing called the Ivy League. A Ph.D. in Economics from American University. That's in the Den of Iniquity: Washington, DC.

Not exactly Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell is it? He criticized Cantor for being a crony capitalist, for not caring about small businesses, but rather for feeding the trough. Again, just nuts, right?

He has a picture of ... wait ... the Great Satan Himself -- Reagan.

How about NSA data collection? "He supports the end of bulk phone and email data collection by the NSA, IRS, or any other branch of government."

Well, that's it. Q.E.D. He's crazy, a nut, a whack-job. Do you even know that the TEA in Tea Party is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Probably not.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 6:40:03 PM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 6:49:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed, Tip O'Neill was right. Cantor also apparently blew off meetings that locals wanted to have with him. Typical of the hubris and holier-than-thou attitude that almost all people in Congress (Repubs and Dems) exhibit. Who are two of my favorite Dems although I didn't agree with them? William Proxmire and Paul Wellstone. Because they were both honest and not full of it. (Well, I liked Javits and Moynihan, too, but for other reasons.)

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 7:44:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Conclusions from a Washington Post blog:

1. Immigration reform is dead. I'm not sure it was ever really alive in the House -- we've written plenty about how the average House Republican has zero incentive to support any immigration reform -- but Cantor's loss ensures that even chatter about making minor changes will disappear. Anytime an incumbent -- and particularly a well-funded incumbent like Cantor -- loses there are lots of reasons for the defeat, but this one will be cast as a rebuke of any moderation on immigration. Brat savaged Cantor as "100% all-in" on amnesty and accused him of "bobbing and weaving" on the issue. Any Republican member of Congress who was even contemplating going a step or two out on a political limb to vote for some elements of immigration reform will stop thinking that way immediately. Not only is immigration reform a no-go for Republicans in this election but it may well be off the table -- assuming Republicans control the House -- for the next several years.

2. House legislative activity will cease. Again, there wasn't a heck of a lot of grand legislative plans before Cantor's loss. But, that trickle will totally dry up now as Republican members avoid doing anything -- literally, anything -- that could be used against them in the many primaries still to come this summer and fall. Members will be afraid of their own shadows.

3. The "establishment strike back" storyline will disappear.... In the space of the last week, the narrative that the establishment has finally figured out how to beat the tea party has exploded. First, state Sen. Chris McDaniel finished ahead of Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran in the state's GOP primary. Now, the Cantor loss. (And, on June 24, Cochran remains an underdog to McDaniel in the Magnolia State runoff.) A former Senate Appropriations Committee chairman and the second ranking Republican in the House both (potentially) losing in less than a month means that the primary victories of John Cornyn and Mitch McConnell over tea-party backed opponents earlier this year will be forgotten -- or, at the very least, overshadowed.

4. ....Tea party challenges will surge. David Brat -- and McDaniel if he wins -- will become the newest tea party heroes, taking their places alongside the likes of Sens. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Mike Lee (Utah). In the near term, that will embolden tea partiers who seemed dead in the water in their own attempts to take out incumbents. "What we have seen tonight in Virginia shows that no race should be taken for granted and all the money and position in the world doesn't resonate with an electorate that is fed up with a Washington establishment that has abandoned conservative principles," said Joe Carr, a conservative trying to knock off Sen. Lamar Alexander (R) in Tennessee. (To be clear: Attempting to ride the Brat coattails with a press release is one thing. Beating an incumbent like Alexander is something totally different.) In the longer term, there's every reason to believe that other prominent members of the GOP leadership -- in the House and Senate -- will face tea-party challenges come 2016.

5. The race to replace John Boehner as Speaker is now wide open. We've written before about how difficult it will be for Boehner to hold on to his Speakership -- assuming Republicans keep the majority this fall. But now the heir apparent has been dragged under by a conservative uprising. The third man in command -- House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) -- is not exactly a tea party darling or stylistically speaking, the sort of hard-liner that the most conservative wing in the House likes. Add it all up and you are looking at what could be an absolutely bananas race to lead the House Republican majority come 2015.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/10/the-seismic-political-consequences-of-eric-cantors-stunning-loss/?hpid=z2

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 7:52:48 PM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 8:10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe it may be Boehner's turn. If not in the election, he won't win the support of the other GOP reps.

But one other factor here. I predict far fewer true nutcases or fools (Sharron Angle, Todd "legitimate rape" Akin (who wasn't Tea Party: he was just a moron with the PR skills of a 3-year-old), Richard "God intended rape" Mourdock (who was in the Tea Party), and others. You will see far more intellectual heavyweights like Ted Cruz and Brat. (Even Democrat Jerry Nadler, who likened the Taliban to the Revolutionary War Patriots today, is not likely to see his poll ratings soar.) No rational person thinks Akin or Mourdock actually endorse rape or that Nadler actually equates the Taliban to the Patriots, but people who talk that stupidly will get shut down in favor of those who can pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 8:41:33 PM   
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Do you even know that the TEA in Tea Party is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already?
Interesting.


I'd always understood it to stand for "Testy Entitlement-collecting Anachronisms."

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 9:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it a given Republicans win the seat?

Gail Collins has been writing about the primaries a lot in her columns, and of particular note to her is miniscule turnouts deciding races. Turnouts have been in the 1.5-19% range.

"Perhaps the problem was that only about 17 percent of the eligible electorate showed up to vote. We have seen a lot of that sort of turnout this year, and we have got to start remembering that you can’t count on the idea that the most energetic voters will be the canniest political minds on the block."

"For instance, in Texas this week, the Tea Party had a wave of triumphs in critical primary runoffs. We thought the Tea Party was dead! What happened? The secret may lie somewhere in the wave of political excitement that swept through the state and drew an energized 7 percent of registered voters to the polls.

Yes! Around 1 out of 13 voters showed up in Texas, and our first lesson is that strange things happen when you hold an election and nobody comes."

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/10/2014 9:15:57 PM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 2:34:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Is it a given Republicans win the seat?

Gail Collins has been writing about the primaries a lot in her columns, and of particular note to her is miniscule turnouts deciding races. Turnouts have been in the 1.5-19% range.

"Perhaps the problem was that only about 17 percent of the eligible electorate showed up to vote. We have seen a lot of that sort of turnout this year, and we have got to start remembering that you can’t count on the idea that the most energetic voters will be the canniest political minds on the block."

"For instance, in Texas this week, the Tea Party had a wave of triumphs in critical primary runoffs. We thought the Tea Party was dead! What happened? The secret may lie somewhere in the wave of political excitement that swept through the state and drew an energized 7 percent of registered voters to the polls.

Yes! Around 1 out of 13 voters showed up in Texas, and our first lesson is that strange things happen when you hold an election and nobody comes."

What needs to happen is we need to reform our arcane system of scheduling elections. Every election should be done on some sort of regular schedule with a reasonable period of early voting. We need to do everything we can to increase participation not restrict it.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 2:36:02 AM   
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Do you even know that the TEA in Tea Party is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already?
Interesting.


I'd always understood it to stand for "Testy Entitlement-collecting Anachronisms."

I've always understood it to be the craziest right wing nuts in the Republican party.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 2:45:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Do you even know that the TEA in Tea Party is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already?
Interesting.


I'd always understood it to stand for "Testy Entitlement-collecting Anachronisms."

I've always understood it to be the craziest right wing nuts in the Republican party.


That's incorrect. The Tea Party originally started with mostly Constitutional libertarians -- people who don't want the government in your bedroom or your wallet. There came a time when it became popular enough and so the religious right-wing (e.g., earth is 6,000 years old, "intelligent" design, anti-gay marriage (still beats the Taliban's position, so let's not get too bent out of shape here), and often more populist than free market (see Rick Santorum as Exhibit A)) started joining. By sheer numbers, this introduced into the Tea Party an element of religion and faith that hadn't been there before. But a strange thing has happened. The religious right isn't doing so well. The free market libertarians are doing a lot better. So if you want the crazies, you would be best in the Republican Party to look at the religious right-wing, just as if you want the crazies in the Democratic Party, you might start with the unrepentant leftists: Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid (who is simply deranged) and the Grand Messiah himself, Obama).

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 3:56:15 AM   
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You know what I find funny? I can't see a single con commenting on this thread so far. Either their angry as he'll and don't want to face reality or they're desperately trying to come up with come backs to cantor's failure. Either way, I'm keeping a watch on this thread for the first con comment, should be funny

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 4:40:30 AM   
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You know what I find funny? I can't see a single con commenting on this thread so far. Either their angry as he'll and don't want to face reality or they're desperately trying to come up with come backs to cantor's failure. Either way, I'm keeping a watch on this thread for the first con comment, should be funny


Or it could be they haven't gotten to the boards yet. Or it could be like me, they don't give a flying fuck about the guy. But you keep watching and pretending you know what anyone but yourself really thinks. It's almost as amusing as watching DK botch the acronym game.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 5:22:04 AM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 5:33:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		It spells trouble for the Republican Party, to be sure.

But it's not good news for Democrats either. The message Republicans will hear is not to work with Democrats, not to accomplish anything, not to compromise, because it could haunt them in the election.

Whether a Tea that wins a primary is a good target depends on the region. In this particular conservative district, he's probably going to Washington.

That means a House that EVEN more incalcitrant, even more extreme, even more intolerant of moderates in its ranks, even more economic risks taken with our credit rating and reputation, even more expensive showdowns.

The Teas are the ONLY winners here.

The real message, that Republicans (and Democrats) need to listen to their local constituents and not just national party dogma, likely went unheard.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 5:50:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I am watching is for the radicalism of the T partiers to come out if there is any, like being allergic to compromise, the get-govt.-out-of-my-life but don't touch my medicare crowd...to lose the elections.

Nominating one radical over another even more so, may bode destructive for the repub house majority.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/11/2014 5:54:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Typical leftist spin, propaganda and talking points. If a "Tea Party" candidate loses, it's the end of the Tea Party. If a Tea Party candidate wins, it doesn't mean anything because the turnout is so low, etc...

Depends on their function. If it is to win elections and/or get legislation passed, the T party is in its death throws irrespective of any primary or rhetorical success.

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