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Executions Proven Safe - 6/17/2014 9:30:43 PM

Sanity

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http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-execution-1st-since-botched-injection-040614991.html

No need to worry, Georgia has proven that executions can be done without fear that every single execution will go awry

(With pentobarbital being the drug of choice)

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/17/2014 10:47:42 PM

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How can they be safe? Someone dies every time!

We live in a weird world...

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/18/2014 12:13:26 AM

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Georgia simply violated the only established protocol that is allowed by the Supreme Court. Whether being overdosed with an unknown drug of unknown purity from an unknown source will ever be within the bounds of the Constitution we do not know. Georgia should have submitted its new protocol to SCOTUS for approval rather than trying this which now means that eventually the protocol may be overturned after it has been used.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/18/2014 12:39:27 AM

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How can they be safe? Someone dies every time!

We live in a weird world...

Exactly my thoughts.

If killing someone is 'safe' what is dangerous?

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/18/2014 12:50:03 AM

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How can they be safe? Someone dies every time!

We live in a weird world...

Exactly my thoughts.

If killing someone is 'safe' what is dangerous?

This oxymoron is an example of the kind of perverse double thought and double speak necessitated by trying to make the brutal business of executing people sound more palatable. It is a feature of pro-killing discourse that it favours euphemisms and double speak over plain language. Note, for example, the tendency to use "ultimate sacrifice", another favourite of theirs, when they mean 'cold blooded revenge'.

No matter what terminology is used, pro-killing discourse cannot hide the brutality and incompetence (in the sense that nothing productive is achieved, there is no deterrent value) of killing people.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/18/2014 1:29:32 AM

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If killing someone is 'safe' what is dangerous?

In some cases, not killing them.

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This oxymoron is an example of the kind of perverse double thought and double speak necessitated by trying to make the brutal business of executing people sound more palatable. It is a feature of pro-killing discourse that it favours euphemisms and double speak over plain language.

Brutal connotes savage, crude, coarse. A lethal injection is far from "brutal". Moreover, to brand support for execution as a "pro-killing" stance is to wield a brush crafted for effect rather than accuracy. So I think it's fairly clear where the double-speak is coming from. In my opinion, locking someone up in a concrete box for the rest of their life is good deal more cruel. And if you're looking for brutality, a prison is the place to find it.

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Note, for example, the tendency to use "ultimate sacrifice", another favourite of theirs, when they mean 'cold blooded revenge'.

I have never seen an execution described as someone making the "ultimate sacrifice," and I seriously doubt that you have either. Paying the "ultimate price," yes, but that's rather a different matter. So I think you're getting a little carried away with your preaching. At the rate you're going, you'll be wanting the faithful to stand and sing a hymn next.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/20/2014 2:37:55 PM

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If killing someone is 'safe' what is dangerous?

In some cases, not killing them.

Which cases? The cases where an inmate on death row kills someone with only the power of pure thought?

If your justice system is letting killers go free then that is a separate issue.

I'm god please send me your criminals for judgment I don't have the ability to kill them myself; I'm out of lightning bolts.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/20/2014 3:17:43 PM

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I'm god please send me your criminals for judgment I don't have the ability to kill them myself; I'm out of lightning bolts.

Is that because of just in time inventory or supply side economics?

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/20/2014 4:45:57 PM

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The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/20/2014 5:15:40 PM

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The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/20/2014 5:28:25 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-execution-1st-since-botched-injection-040614991.html

No need to worry, Georgia has proven that executions can be done without fear that every single execution will go awry

(With pentobarbital being the drug of choice)

It's always encouraging to hear that Americans have advanced their know-how and skills at killing other Americans efficiently, Sanity. Keep up the good work, the rest of the world applauds you!

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 5:52:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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If killing someone is 'safe' what is dangerous?

In some cases, not killing them.

Which cases? The cases where an inmate on death row kills someone with only the power of pure thought?

If your justice system is letting killers go free then that is a separate issue.

I'm god please send me your criminals for judgment I don't have the ability to kill them myself; I'm out of lightning bolts.

I have never heard of the case where an inmate kills someone with the power of pure thought and I have to say that would be very impressive. I have heard about inmates killing other inmates with knives and by hitting them over the head with heavy objects. I even remember one who put aids tainted blood into the coffee pot hoping the guards would get more than caffeine that day. But what the hell, if you say they won't be a danger to anyone, it must be true. After all if you can't think of any ways to kill a guy while locked up then I am sure they won't either.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 2:36:09 PM

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The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

Good, then it should be ok to hang em.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 2:54:30 PM

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The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

Good, then it should be ok to hang em.

Probably not. Despite what you may have heard hanging is not usually instantly fatal.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 9:10:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

Good, then it should be ok to hang em.

Probably not. Despite what you may have heard hanging is not usually instantly fatal.

I heard they used to hang em back in the day around the time the constitution was written and for more than a hundred years thereafter. You make it sound kind of gruesome. How awful to make some rapist murdering sack of shit suffer a little.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 9:49:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

Good, then it should be ok to hang em.

Probably not. Despite what you may have heard hanging is not usually instantly fatal.

I heard they used to hang em back in the day around the time the constitution was written and for more than a hundred years thereafter. You make it sound kind of gruesome. How awful to make some rapist murdering sack of shit suffer a little.

Things have changed. If the state is to kill it has to do it without undue suffering that is what the Supreme Court decided.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/21/2014 10:08:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely.

The Constitution isn't.

Good, then it should be ok to hang em.

Probably not. Despite what you may have heard hanging is not usually instantly fatal.

I heard they used to hang em back in the day around the time the constitution was written and for more than a hundred years thereafter. You make it sound kind of gruesome. How awful to make some rapist murdering sack of shit suffer a little.

Things have changed. If the state is to kill it has to do it without undue suffering that is what the Supreme Court decided.

Well good then, we can give them what is just and due.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/22/2014 9:14:50 AM

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Is that because of just in time inventory or supply side economics?

There is this new system for ordering but I've not got my head around it yet. They are telling me that they are seasonal items, I try to tell them that it is that season somewhere but they don't listen.

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I have never heard of the case where an inmate kills someone with the power of pure thought and I have to say that would be very impressive. I have heard about inmates killing other inmates with knives and by hitting them over the head with heavy objects. I even remember one who put aids tainted blood into the coffee pot hoping the guards would get more than caffeine that day. But what the hell, if you say they won't be a danger to anyone, it must be true. After all if you can't think of any ways to kill a guy while locked up then I am sure they won't either.

Not sure why you care about inmates sentenced to death killing other inmates sentenced to death all of a sudden? Prison guards are meant to have training to counter dangerous imagination. You can't seriously be justifying the death penalty on the basis that inmates attack prison guards? Do you think that only happens with prisoners sentenced to death? Following this logic to protect prison guards everywhere we have to kill people for even the most minor criminal offense because people are unpredictable and that makes them dangerous.

Of course I can't think of ways to kill people whilst locked up, I'm a lover not a fighter. Except when someone tries to kill me off with hepachino, then I reach for the asbestos ceiling tiles!

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/22/2014 12:05:48 PM

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I have never heard of the case where an inmate kills someone with the power of pure thought and I have to say that would be very impressive.

Read "Silence of the Lambs". Of course I know it is fiction.

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RE: Executions Proven Safe - 6/22/2014 9:11:08 PM

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I have never heard of the case where an inmate kills someone with the power of pure thought and I have to say that would be very impressive. I have heard about inmates killing other inmates with knives and by hitting them over the head with heavy objects. I even remember one who put aids tainted blood into the coffee pot hoping the guards would get more than caffeine that day. But what the hell, if you say they won't be a danger to anyone, it must be true. After all if you can't think of any ways to kill a guy while locked up then I am sure they won't either.

Not sure why you care about inmates sentenced to death killing other inmates sentenced to death all of a sudden? Prison guards are meant to have training to counter dangerous imagination. You can't seriously be justifying the death penalty on the basis that inmates attack prison guards? Do you think that only happens with prisoners sentenced to death? Following this logic to protect prison guards everywhere we have to kill people for even the most minor criminal offense because people are unpredictable and that makes them dangerous.

Of course I can't think of ways to kill people whilst locked up, I'm a lover not a fighter. Except when someone tries to kill me off with hepachino, then I reach for the asbestos ceiling tiles!

I was answering this question..."Which cases? The cases where an inmate on death row kills someone with only the power of pure thought?"

I wasn't justifying the death penalty. I was pointing out there were other possibilities beyond "pure thought"

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