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SadistDave -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 1:23:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub The man who was put to death murdered a young girl who lived about 2 miles from me, It was a horrific crime, and I would have been ok with that bastard suffering immensely. The Constitution isn't. Good, then it should be ok to hang em. Probably not. Despite what you may have heard hanging is not usually instantly fatal. I heard they used to hang em back in the day around the time the constitution was written and for more than a hundred years thereafter. You make it sound kind of gruesome. How awful to make some rapist murdering sack of shit suffer a little. Things have changed. If the state is to kill it has to do it without undue suffering that is what the Supreme Court decided. You might want to look into how quickly the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" can change. The Supreme Court decides a lot of things and reverses their decisions later as the tides of political correctness change. Any SCOTUS can decide that hanging IS allowable under the Constitution based on the princilple already in use that cruel and unusual does not necessarily mean that convicts must be killed instantly or painlessly. The Constitution protects against cruelty in the manner of execution, but not any suffering a reasonably quick execution may cause. In Trop v Dulles, (1958) SCOTUS affirmed that the definition of "cruel and unusual punishments" is largely a matter of public opinion, but that certain methods of death should always be banned because they should be deemed inhumane by any standard. Unfortunately, that leaves out burning people alive or having them keel hauled, but it leaves a lot of leeway for methods of applying the death penalty that are not pain free. -SD-

DomKen -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 2:58:15 AM)
The states are welcome to take a new protocol to the Court before trying it on a prisoner. None seem willing to do so. I wonder why?

smileforme50 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 3:30:02 AM)
lovmuffin.... Delaware was the last state to execute a criminal by hanging. They had to build a special gallows in 1996 to hang Billy Bailey, and finally tore the gallows down in 2003. Personally I agree that if we are going to allow executions they don't need to be "pain free". There is nothing wrong with letting these criminals suffer a little for the pain and suffering they caused so many other people.

Musicmystery -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 5:50:00 AM)
Gosh, if only this country didn't have that pesky Constitution . . .

PeonForHer -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 2:41:08 PM)
quote: There is nothing wrong with letting these criminals suffer a little for the pain and suffering they caused so many other people. Arguably, they already have: in the wait from the time they're sentenced to death to the time of the execution itself. I'd guess that, though no doubt having received all kinds of suffering at the hands of their now convicted assailants, the victims of these people most likely haven't gone through that particular kind of suffering.

Marc2b -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 3:43:57 PM)
quote: How can they be safe? Someone dies every time! We live in a weird world... Is it true that, before they stick the needle in you, they swab the spot with alcohol? [&:]

PeonForHer -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 4:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: How can they be safe? Someone dies every time! We live in a weird world... Is it true that, before they stick the needle in you, they swab the spot with alcohol? [&:] I've heard the same. It's really weird, isn't it? I bet the room in which the condemned man is killed is always spotlessly clean for the occasion, too. Is there a dress code if you're witnessing an execution? I'd imagine that formal attire - with a crisp white shirt, a sober tie and polished black shoes are obligatory. Well, it's things like that that show that the execution is a wholesomely civilised procedure, after all. [:)]

smileforme50 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 7:09:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: There is nothing wrong with letting these criminals suffer a little for the pain and suffering they caused so many other people. Arguably, they already have: in the wait from the time they're sentenced to death to the time of the execution itself. I'd guess that, though no doubt having received all kinds of suffering at the hands of their now convicted assailants, the victims of these people most likely haven't gone through that particular kind of suffering. So are you saying that you think that the inmates suffer more than their victims and families? I beg to differ....big time.

PeonForHer -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/23/2014 11:42:42 PM)
No, I was saying that the waiting for death is arguably a kind of suffering. I wouldn't know, of course, because I've never experienced it.

smileforme50 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/24/2014 3:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer No, I was saying that the waiting for death is arguably a kind of suffering. I wouldn't know, of course, because I've never experienced it. But I wouldn't consider it to be "cruel and unusual". Hell.....we can certainly shorten the "waiting period" so many of these guys "suffer" through. The fact that it takes years and years from the time they are sentenced until they are actually executed is one of the biggest complaints people have about how the U.S. handles executions. It's also one of the reasons it costs taxpayers so much money. You know what else? These guys aren't going through anything more "cruel and unusual" because they are waiting for death than someone who is terminally ill. People who are terminally ill have to "wait for death" all the time. You want to see "cruel and unusual punishment"? Watch someone die from cancer. Makes me really not feel sorry for the inmates.

smileforme50 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/24/2014 3:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: How can they be safe? Someone dies every time! We live in a weird world... Is it true that, before they stick the needle in you, they swab the spot with alcohol? [&:] Yeah....that's true....aseptic technique all the way. My understanding is that they don't want to risk causing an infection on the off chance the execution is stayed at the last minute. At least that's what I've always been told.....

PeonForHer -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/24/2014 5:19:48 AM)
You'd want an execution to be at least a bit cruel and unusual, then?

eulero83 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/24/2014 7:48:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: How can they be safe? Someone dies every time! We live in a weird world... Is it true that, before they stick the needle in you, they swab the spot with alcohol? [&:] Yeah....that's true....aseptic technique all the way. My understanding is that they don't want to risk causing an infection on the off chance the execution is stayed at the last minute. At least that's what I've always been told..... I think the real reson is another one, it's to make it look like a standard medical procedure to people watching or performing it. It's the same reason for using a hood to cover a prisoner's face in front of a firing squad, it looks more like a target if he has no face and no-one sees how it looks like after. You know, those not subjected to the punishment are not supposed to like killing people.

PeonForHer -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/24/2014 3:12:11 PM)
quote: I think the real reson is another one, it's to make it look like a standard medical procedure to people watching or performing it. It's the same reason for using a hood to cover a prisoner's face in front of a firing squad, it looks more like a target if he has no face and no-one sees how it looks like after. You know, those not subjected to the punishment are not supposed to like killing people. Yep, that chimes. It all says, "This is a scientific, detached and surgical operation, just like an operation to remove a cancerous tumour. Look, we're in white coats, so it must be civilised! No savagery, no bloodlust, no pleasure in another's pain - but most of all, no evil - here. No sirree!"

smileforme50 -> RE: Executions Proven Safe (6/27/2014 4:36:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer You'd want an execution to be at least a bit cruel and unusual, then? No....but I certainly don't feel sorry for them.

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