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Mrhandcuffs - 6/27/2014 7:47:31 PM   
BadgirlMissy


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Status: offline 		years ago I talked to the person. 2-3 online conversations and you could tell he was out there.

There is one thing mention by someone of being fake.

Well he is in the news picture and all suspected of killing two women.

Just a warning to always be safe when meeting anyone.
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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/28/2014 12:06:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		What news? No link = no news.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/28/2014 7:09:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

What news? No link = no news.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670693/Man-arrested-bodies-suitcases.html

Edit to add: of course there is no way of knowing if that "Mr Handcuffs" is the same guy.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:17:21 AM   
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This is serious shit. He hid two corpses in suitcases and dumped them in the tall grass by the roadside.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:26:44 AM   
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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:34:27 AM   
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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 4:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The original stories from the source:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/authorities-believe-they-have-identified-second-body-in-suitcase-killings-b99299542z1-264736411.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/lab-results-expected-soon-on-bodies-found-in-suitcases-b99298858z1-264568231.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/police-to-release-info-in-suitcase-bodies-investigation-b99301748z1-265235091.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/how-mrhandcuffs-ended-up-with-two-corpses-in-suitcases.html

I personally would like to know how many women he chatted with on this site, and the details of the chat.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:34:08 PM   
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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:44:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting that the daily beast is watching the OP posting here.

Meanwhile, the online realm of S&M is buzzing about mrhandcuffs. Someone who calls herself “Bad girl missy” reported that “years ago I talked to the person, 2-3 online conversations and you could tell he was out there.”

She added, “Just a warning to always be safe when meeting anyone.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/how-mrhandcuffs-ended-up-with-two-corpses-in-suitcases.html
8 posts is buzzing??



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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 6/30/2014 5:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a faint buzz. But they'll spin it however they need to to get their story more publicity.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/1/2014 12:19:16 PM   
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Watch this.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/i-team-new-details-in-wi-suitcase-bodies-case/141778/

And his photo now its the same person he is just older now

And the scary thing is that the guy looks so normal.

I was doing some digging and reading different pages in Wisconsin. He had been a suspect since January. The one girl had been missing since November. She had a daughter that died last summer
I can only imagine how vulnerable she was.

One women got on the news and stated that he had met her children.

http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/2nd-victim-in-Steven-Zelich-case-identified-as-Jenny-Gamez-265257981.html

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/1/2014 2:27:01 PM   
RockaRolla


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Status: offline 		It's the normal-looking ones we need to look out for, mostly. The ones who are visibly "out there" or at least look the part are often avoided. But nobody suspects the quiet ones.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/1/2014 6:23:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

It's the normal-looking ones we need to look out for, mostly. The ones who are visibly "out there" or at least look the part are often avoided. But nobody suspects the quiet ones.



No doubt

My heart goes out to those women.

And the story of the other women is the parents had no idea she was even missing. It makes you wonder if there are others.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/22/2014 4:30:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't know about this until I saw saw it, and then read about it, from the links provided in the other chat. I was shocked and speechless for several days while I dealt with my own thoughts about this. I actually knew one of the victims from chatting here and on yahoo off and on for several years. We fell out of touch about 3 months before she disappeared and I had wondered from time to time what had become of her. To say that I am shocked/saddened/angry/furious to learn what happened to her, and her fate at his hands, would be an understatement. There is a very special place in hell reserved for him and I can't say I wouldn't enjoy sending him down that path with extreme prejudice and by the slowest, most torturous means and manners imaginable.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 12:25:00 PM   
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That was his profile on here before it was deleted, according to the Daily Beast. Not even close to being one of the more extreme profiles I've stumbled across on CM. And the picture of him sitting on the white couch shows a normal, quite good looking man.

Common sense tells some of us us to be skeptical of the sanity of men who want what he listed in his profile. Though the common sense tool may have been unavailable to the later victim.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 1:38:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Common sense isn't as common as we think. For every domineering bastard out there there is at least one sub who will fall for their line of bull.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 1:52:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
Common sense isn't as common as we think. For every domineering bastard out there there is at least one sub who will fall for their line of bull.


Agree wholeheartedly.

Add to that: some subs who are unsure how to act because while their common sense is active and is telling them to stay away / not commit to something, their submissiveness and their desire to "follow the BDSM protocols" may lead them to make questionable decisions.

I was talking to a sub earlier, who met a Dom whom she liked initially, but he was acting weird and crossed some lines she didn't like, so she left. Then he asked her to meet him again, and she wanted to decline, but was feeling sort-of-obligated. I talked her out of it. Explained that just because you're a sub, doesn't mean anyone can pressure you to meet socially or commit sexually. "BDSM protocols" don't replace human values and social norms, etc.


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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 2:03:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kinksterparty

quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
Common sense isn't as common as we think. For every domineering bastard out there there is at least one sub who will fall for their line of bull.


Agree wholeheartedly.

Add to that: some subs who are unsure how to act because while their common sense is active and is telling them to stay away / not commit to something, their submissiveness and their desire to "follow the BDSM protocols" may lead them to make questionable decisions.

I was talking to a sub earlier, who met a Dom whom she liked initially, but he was acting weird and crossed some lines she didn't like, so she left. Then he asked her to meet him again, and she wanted to decline, but was feeling sort-of-obligated. I talked her out of it. Explained that just because you're a sub, doesn't mean anyone can pressure you to meet socially or commit sexually. "BDSM protocols" don't replace human values and social norms, etc.


I'm not too proud to admit that I fell for this trap as well when I started out.

A couple approached me with the standard "be our play partner!" line and after I accepted (the girl was really, really cute!) they immediately went into domineering territory. They put up a lot of red flags in the process which I didn't catch in my desire to be a "good" play partner. Thankfully it ended before I met them in person, because it turned out they expected me to be exclusive to them. I stood my ground on that point (I don't follow rules that partners don't tell me about) and they lost interest in me. Some people just aren't as stubborn.

It later occurred to me that this "couple" was probably a lone "Master" using pictures of a pretty girl as bait.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 3:11:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Common sense isn't as common as we think. For every domineering bastard out there there is at least one sub who will fall for their line of bull.

Agreed. It's a big reason that I worry when I see very young women on here. Sites like this house people like the subject of the OP and I wish there were some protections for young people here. I can't think of how, but for example, bar people who aren't of legal drinking age. I know those who are specifically seeking youngsters would be outraged by such a plan but I don't care about them.

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RE: Mrhandcuffs - 7/23/2014 3:18:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2


quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla

Common sense isn't as common as we think. For every domineering bastard out there there is at least one sub who will fall for their line of bull.

Agreed. It's a big reason that I worry when I see very young women on here. Sites like this house people like the subject of the OP and I wish there were some protections for young people here. I can't think of how, but for example, bar people who aren't of legal drinking age. I know those who are specifically seeking youngsters would be outraged by such a plan but I don't care about them.

I know you're just throwing out suggestions, but that really won't help to tackle the real problem and only penalize those 18-20 who in reality have every right to explore their sexuality.

Unfortunately there's no perfect system to deter people like that, and there's a fine line between protecting the impressionable members and playing moral guardian/enforcing a "one twue way" of social interaction.

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