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thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/12/2014 9:03:51 PM)


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I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.


Do you have your own practice now, Doctor Ken?



I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


(He's lying again).



You mean you don't believe that the doctors are sharing their pay stubs with DK. That is just shocking. I am sure they not only tell him how much money they make, they also show him their stock portfolios and ask advice. And as far as him having to pay out the ass for decent care, well he is under the CMS umbrella so that doesn't surprise me a bit. It's just a shame he blames the insurance companies and can't see it's his own government that is screwing him over.

You are a lying sack of shit. I never claimed to see any doctor's pay stubs. I do know precisely how much my doctor's get from me so it isn't hard to figure out how much they make. I will point out again that the first thing my HMO did when it found out I was going on dialysis was cancel my entire company's plan (it couldn't legally cancel just me so they dumped my whole company) which forced me onto Medicare since no insurance company would insure someone in renal failure. So no it is not the government screwing me over. If it wasn't for Medicare I would be dead.



No you didn't claim to see their pay stubs, you claimed you knew precisely how much they get. Now you change that to it isn't hard to figure out. But then again sticking to one story has never been a strong suit with you.

I know precisely how much they get from me and precisely how much they get from Medicare. 20 + 80 = 100. How hard is that to figure out dumbass? I didn't claim to know how much they take home. Why do you spend so much time trolling?



because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/12/2014 9:55:57 PM)

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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.




thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/13/2014 6:18:56 AM)


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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.


I have never heard of someone on medicare making payments directly to their doctor. Are you sure this wasn't a dream you had and you are getting confused or perhaps your doctor is screwing you and you are too stupid to catch it.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/13/2014 8:07:04 AM)

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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.


I have never heard of someone on medicare making payments directly to their doctor. Are you sure this wasn't a dream you had and you are getting confused or perhaps your doctor is screwing you and you are too stupid to catch it.


Are you fucking moronic?

Not only do I know my doctor isn't screwing me I get that itemized statement from CMS every month or so confirming it. Great thing about Medicare is that it actually does keep me up to date about that stuff.




DesideriScuri -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/13/2014 10:16:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuriThe handful of doctors I've talked to over the past few years (I see more physicians outside of their work than while they are working, thankfully) are more concerned with reimbursements dropping for Medicare. They are already having to limit their consultation time so they can get more Medicare patients in to make up for the low rate. Not exactly good for quality, is it?

I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.


Mississippi is having some issues with Medicare Doctors...
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    He says only 47 percent of those identified as core primary care doctors agreed to take new patients insured by Medicaid, while 75 percent agreed to take new patients with private insurance.


Another "worst sort of doctor"...




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/13/2014 11:14:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuriThe handful of doctors I've talked to over the past few years (I see more physicians outside of their work than while they are working, thankfully) are more concerned with reimbursements dropping for Medicare. They are already having to limit their consultation time so they can get more Medicare patients in to make up for the low rate. Not exactly good for quality, is it?

I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.


Mississippi is having some issues with Medicare Doctors...
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    He says only 47 percent of those identified as core primary care doctors agreed to take new patients insured by Medicaid, while 75 percent agreed to take new patients with private insurance.



Another "worst sort of doctor"...


Medicaid != Medicare. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!




DesideriScuri -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/13/2014 9:41:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuriThe handful of doctors I've talked to over the past few years (I see more physicians outside of their work than while they are working, thankfully) are more concerned with reimbursements dropping for Medicare. They are already having to limit their consultation time so they can get more Medicare patients in to make up for the low rate. Not exactly good for quality, is it?

I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.

Mississippi is having some issues with Medicare Doctors...
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    He says only 47 percent of those identified as core primary care doctors agreed to take new patients insured by Medicaid, while 75 percent agreed to take new patients with private insurance.

Another "worst sort of doctor"...

Medicaid != Medicare. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!


Sorry for the mistake. I partially blame the Mississippi Business Journal for the headline error, but I'll take the majority of the blame for not catching the difference in the quote and checking into it.

It seems the error was in the headline, not the quote.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/30/in-miss-medicaid-patients-struggle-to-find-doctors/7069595/





thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 7:41:47 AM)


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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.


I have never heard of someone on medicare making payments directly to their doctor. Are you sure this wasn't a dream you had and you are getting confused or perhaps your doctor is screwing you and you are too stupid to catch it.


Are you fucking moronic?

Not only do I know my doctor isn't screwing me I get that itemized statement from CMS every month or so confirming it. Great thing about Medicare is that it actually does keep me up to date about that stuff.



No I am not, but you must be if you think I am going to believe that the medicare summary tells you what the doctor brings home.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 3:30:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuriThe handful of doctors I've talked to over the past few years (I see more physicians outside of their work than while they are working, thankfully) are more concerned with reimbursements dropping for Medicare. They are already having to limit their consultation time so they can get more Medicare patients in to make up for the low rate. Not exactly good for quality, is it?

I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.

Mississippi is having some issues with Medicare Doctors...
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    He says only 47 percent of those identified as core primary care doctors agreed to take new patients insured by Medicaid, while 75 percent agreed to take new patients with private insurance.


Another "worst sort of doctor"...

Medicaid != Medicare. DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!


Sorry for the mistake. I partially blame the Mississippi Business Journal for the headline error, but I'll take the majority of the blame for not catching the difference in the quote and checking into it.

It seems the error was in the headline, not the quote.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/30/in-miss-medicaid-patients-struggle-to-find-doctors/7069595/



Medicaid is state run and I can only imagine how bad Mississippi's is.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 3:35:12 PM)

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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.


I have never heard of someone on medicare making payments directly to their doctor. Are you sure this wasn't a dream you had and you are getting confused or perhaps your doctor is screwing you and you are too stupid to catch it.


Are you fucking moronic?

Not only do I know my doctor isn't screwing me I get that itemized statement from CMS every month or so confirming it. Great thing about Medicare is that it actually does keep me up to date about that stuff.



No I am not, but you must be if you think I am going to believe that the medicare summary tells you what the doctor brings home.

Once again, try and think. 80 + 20 =100. Is simple arithmetic beyond you? If the summary says how much they paid and how much I have to pay then I know how much the doctor was paid for the services rendered, correct?

And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.




thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 5:12:05 PM)


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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 5:50:49 PM)


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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

100% - expenses = equal what the doctor makes, without an expense statement how could anyone know what the doctor makes? They only get an idea (since they know what he collects on them) which doesn't even tell the gross income for the practice let alone the net income for the doctor.




BamaD -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 5:54:46 PM)


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because you say such stupid shit, it's really hard to resist. So now why don't you explain how you know what percentage of your payment actually goes to the doctor. You do understand that the doctor isn't the only one getting paid, right dumbass.

see I can throw in juvinile insults too.

When I write a check payable to Dr. whatever it isn't going to anyone else. Do you have trouble with basic English? I'm talking about payments to doctors not payments to clinics or others medical providers.


I have never heard of someone on medicare making payments directly to their doctor. Are you sure this wasn't a dream you had and you are getting confused or perhaps your doctor is screwing you and you are too stupid to catch it.


Are you fucking moronic?

Not only do I know my doctor isn't screwing me I get that itemized statement from CMS every month or so confirming it. Great thing about Medicare is that it actually does keep me up to date about that stuff.



No I am not, but you must be if you think I am going to believe that the medicare summary tells you what the doctor brings home.

Once again, try and think. 80 + 20 =100. Is simple arithmetic beyond you? If the summary says how much they paid and how much I have to pay then I know how much the doctor was paid for the services rendered, correct?

And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.

Which tells us nothing about how much the doctor makes.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 6:19:47 PM)

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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


You said

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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

Where else do you think a payment to my doctor goes?




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 6:21:53 PM)

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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


You said

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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

100% - expenses = equal what the doctor makes, without an expense statement how could anyone know what the doctor makes? They only get an idea (since they know what he collects on them) which doesn't even tell the gross income for the practice let alone the net income for the doctor.

But the discussion was how much Medicare pays. Which I've established I know exactly.

Go back and look.




thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 6:48:46 PM)

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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


You said

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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

Where else do you think a payment to my doctor goes?


You can't seriously be claiming you think the doctor is the only one who gets paid when you go in for a visit or a procedure. Do you think everyone else is donating their time? What about business expenses and utilities? Play stupid all you like but all you are doing is proving you're a troll.




njlauren -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 9:11:23 PM)

Medicare is a class example of how things can be muddled. I often hear how medicare is more efficient than private insurance, that it is cost efficient in that it negotiates cheaper rates and so forth..when in reality, medicare ends up costing us well beyond what is paid out in medicare benefits. Basically, medicare sets rates for coverage that are ridiculously low, and to make up for those payments the doctors do two things:

1)They see a lot more patients, they basically do it on a rapid assembly line, both medicare and private insurance payments
2)They make up for medicare by overbilling private insurance patients. Even with PPO services, they play all kinds of games and the insurance company doesn't give a shit, so though in a PPO you are supposed to be fully covered, they find ways to jack up the bill to private patients (some doctors have multiple tax id's, so they will bill a procedure to the patients insurance with an id that is not in the insurers network, so the patient gets covered at out of network rates..and anything not covered by the insurance comes from the patient). Doctors even in PPO's often don't like that the insurance pays, so they basically decide to bill you for what the plan doesn't pay, and just see what the insurance company tells you...so basically medicare gets doctors to cost share with the people with private insurance.

I often wonder if it would be cheaper for the government to help pay for doctor's training, in return for doctors agreeing to work in general medicine. There was an article in the NY Times that in the US, what is getting to be harder and harder is seeing a regular doctor, people often have to wait weeks and months for routine visits, which is opposite to national health systems where people have to wait for elective procedures. In the US, if you need a procedure, there is generally not much of a wait if you have insurance, which is kind of ironic. The hottest fields in medicine are things like plastic surgery, that is mostly done without insurance, because doctors can make a lot of money there, and there is an impending crisis with general practioners and the like. With specialties, doctors make money, not just from their fees, but often they own the surgical centers and diagnostic centers and such they send you to, as well. It will be ironic if someone gets sick and dies because they can't find a GP to go to or get an appointment, but could get a nose job the next day......


One of the interesting things is that there are these immediate care services opening up, including at drugstores and such, where you can see someone for routine care and checkups and such, it looks like instead of going to see a doctor in a practice, people will be seeing someone through a facility in a drugstore or in a care center that is not a private practice. Could be that seeing a practioner at a walgreen may end up being the competition in medical care people have been talking about, maybe medicine in effect can be walmartized...though how I am not certain.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/14/2014 10:03:23 PM)

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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


You said

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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

Where else do you think a payment to my doctor goes?


You can't seriously be claiming you think the doctor is the only one who gets paid when you go in for a visit or a procedure. Do you think everyone else is donating their time? What about business expenses and utilities? Play stupid all you like but all you are doing is proving you're a troll.

That's his business. The discussion was about how much Medicare pays. You've been disputing that I could actually know how much that is.




thishereboi -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/15/2014 4:26:21 AM)


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And again troll I never said I knew how much any doctor took home. That is you lying. I said I know how much I and Medicare paid.


You said

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I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.


Now unless the doctor gets 100% of the payment which he doesn't, you don't know precisely how much they make, no matter how many times you lie and claim you do.

Where else do you think a payment to my doctor goes?


You can't seriously be claiming you think the doctor is the only one who gets paid when you go in for a visit or a procedure. Do you think everyone else is donating their time? What about business expenses and utilities? Play stupid all you like but all you are doing is proving you're a troll.

That's his business. The discussion was about how much Medicare pays. You've been disputing that I could actually know how much that is.



No, the discussion was how you were lying when you claimed you knew precisely how much money those doctors get. Now comes the part where you try and change what you said.




DomKen -> RE: SCOTUS on HOBBY LOBBY and religious freedom (7/15/2014 6:29:48 AM)

No you lying sack.
this was the post you disputed.
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I'll be blunt, the sort of docs that are doing that are the worst sort. The rates are not low.


Do you have your own practice now, Doctor Ken?



I pay 20% of those bills. I know precisely how much those doctors get. If you think it's low you're welcome to take my bills off my hands.

It's always been about how much Medicare pays not what he does with it. You are the one that has spent much time and effort trying to twist the topic to other matters. I have stuck to the topic.




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