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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/10/2006 8:37:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Aha! So what we are discussing here is that the law enforement can use radar and laser detection, but the man on the street cannot own or use a detector that detects the detectors?
anthro said his research showed radar and laser detectors to be illegal in both Virginia and Washington, D.C. His additonal research showed that several states plus Washington, D.C. had laws rendering radar and laser jamming equipment illegal.
Note: This is a serious question. I am confused! And it is not nice to confuse a Domina! *Smile*

That is correct. On the state border of the Great Commonwealth of Virginia, you will see signs which read: Radar detectors are illegal. If they stop you and you have one attached to your dash - normally they give you two choices: you can be arrested, or amuse the law enforcement as they let you stomp it to pieces on the side of the road (true story).

I don't know of anyone stopped with an actual jammer in their vehicle, so I don't know what they would do if they found you with one.

Similar to automatic weapons - citizens can own rifles, shotguns and handguns, but no Tommy guns or M-16s.

Does this help?

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/10/2006 8:48:55 PM

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not exactly, it is perfectly legal to own fully automatic weapons, you simply have to have them specially registered, and permits issued (costs about $200 I think, not sure if it's gone up recently) Why waltz when you can rock and roll :-D

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/10/2006 8:55:52 PM

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Yes, that did help!
Thank you!

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/10/2006 8:58:25 PM

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Okay...let me see if I can untangle this knot. A radar detector is a device that detects the police radar gun. Likewise, a laser detector detects a laser gun. Currently these are sold as a single unit. They are also passive devices which means they do not emit a signal.

A laser jammer or radar jammer is a different animal. These devices detect a radar signal or laser light and emit their own signal or light to confuse the gun. The problem is they cause the radar or laser gun to display an error code, alerting the police that you have a jammer installed on your car.

Detectors are illegal in two states, jammers are illegal in the same two state plus seven others (Note to Dusty: I'm calling Washington, DC a state only because that's how it's referred to in the documentation I've found online). Radar guns and laser guns used by the police are not illegal for obvious reasons.

Currently the same people who make laser and radar guns are developing a radar detector detector. That's right, a device that can detect if you have a detector installed in your car. Apparently, radar detectors do emit a small amount of signal noise that can be picked up if you're close enough.

When I say I've done my research, I'm not kidding. I've seen several videos put together by independent research groups (not for profit) who tested the stealth coating, radar and laser detectors, and jammers in all combinations against the most popular radar and laser guns used by the police all over the country. They even tested a gun from Europe that uses a different wavelength than those in the United States (but it may be coming here soon). These groups were assisted by two active duty police officers who volunteered to help test the guns just as they are used in the field. There was also several technicians from RadarBusters.com on hand to help with the testing. I should add that RadarBusters has made it their mission to debunk any technology that's bogus. They even offer a reward for anyone who can prove claims they believe are false.

A dark car reflects less light than a light car (a black car in the sun turns into an oven much quicker than a silver or white car). The amount of flat area also is a factor as well as the amount of surface area capable of reflecting light back to the gun. This is known as the radar cross-section (not to be confused with a cross-dresser). Obviously a car with a low profile and pointed end (like a sports car) will have a smaller profile than an SUV or van...that goes without saying.

I'm not sure why some discount that a special coating can diffuse infrared light when it's at a certain point of weakness but to each their own. I'm not reading up on snakeoil salesmen...this is the real deal. The stealth coating exploits the fact that laser light gets weaker as it travels over a distance. This is how it cuts its effectiveness in half. Eventually, as the car gets close enough, the laser can punch through the coating but by that time, if you have a detector, you will have slowed down to avoid a ticket.

I hope this helps you Dusty, I don't want to be guilty of making you unhappy and confused!

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/10/2006 9:07:10 PM

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Ya see! I am just so naive, I figured a radar or laser detector was the thing detecting your speed! *Smile* I forgot that they would be the "guns".
I understand now!
And yes, anthro, I looked at the photos...*Wink*
BTW, I still don't think Wasington, D.C. is a state!

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 6:19:16 AM

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Fucking lady cops ...

I hear that can get you out of tickets too

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It would work on me!

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 9:46:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

This is fun...I've done the research my friend. A laser is as thin as a pencil when it leaves the gun but at 1000 feet, the cone covers the entire car and also weakens with distance, which is why they have to aim it at a reflective surface.

Radar and laser detectors are currently illegal in 2 states (Virginia and Washington, DC).

Radar and laser jammers are illegal in 9 states (Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.)

anthrosub

Shows how much research you've done. Virginia and DC have made it illegal to have a radar detector in the vehicle. If you've done your research, you'd know possession and use are differant things, legally speaking. Numerous other states ban the USE of radar detectors. A number of state laws banning the use of scanners to avoid being caught for illegal activity have been held to apply to radar detectors in court as well.

Also, LIDAR will indeed register from the side of a vehicle and from windows. You can try this experiement at home:
Get cheap laser pointer.
Point at car windows.
See the red reflection.
Point at car bodies.
See the red reflection.

Wherever it will reflect enough for your eye to see, is more than sufficient for the LIDAR to register.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 10:04:35 AM

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The best way to make your car invisible is to put it in the garage and close the garage door.

Do you seriously think any product you can spray or brush on as a coating will prevent your car from reflecting or absorbing laser (light) energy or radio frequency (RF) radar energy? I'll sell you some pills to make your cock reach the floor, how's that?

A simple clear piece of plexiglass (lexan, polystyrene sheeting) does strange things to RF energy, it creates a 180 degree phase shift as the RF energy passes through it. Considering physics, the Radar/Laser speed gun's signal would experience a 180 degree phase shift passing through a plexiglass pane, and converesely, any reflected RF passing back thrugh the plexiglass would again encounter the 180 phase shift, making it in phase once again with the emitter's (gun) signal. So what is achieved by two phase shifts of an emitter signal... nothing but you get to keep the yellow receipt with the address to send a money order to pay your fine.

Lasers on the other hand have their own peculiar characteristics. Their behavior is predicated upon absorption of light energy, and reflectivity is not critical. The absorbed light energy of a car, a tree, a bar code label is what distinguishes changes in the emitted light. Reflections will tend to cancel light energy, or to balance it... whereas absorption causes little to no cancellation or balance in emitted energy.

The biggest fundamental aspect is the time sharing... or the amount of samples per time period. Solid state devices such as Lasers are quite capable of measuring hundreds of thousands of samples per second (sec x1)... per millisecond (msec x3)... even per microsecond (usec x6)... and now even in nanoseconds (nsec x9)...

So the available samples averaged over even a single second or ½ second will compensate for color of paint, position of vehicle with respect to emitter, and many other variables I've seen mentioned in this debate.

If you can fool the emitters for the entire duration of it's sampling, then perhaps you may achieve the anticipated result. Typically the only way to do this is with substitution jamming... sending a fake signal to the emitter close enough to it's anticipated return to deceive it and make it lock on to the electronic decoy.... and then make all it's calculations strictly on the transmitted decoy signal (false return). That makes a car sitting at a redlight, but showing it is traveling at 55mph a bit suspicous to most speed traps.

Necessity is the mother of invention.... making quick big bucks over prolific claims is the mother of marketing...

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 10:24:53 AM

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Is this the same spray-on coating they were selling a while back that was supposed to make your tags 'invisble' to red light cameras?

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 10:45:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Is this the same spray-on coating they were selling a while back that was supposed to make your tags 'invisble' to red light cameras?

LOL some guy just came into my office to try and sell that shit! You know what his claim to fame was? He said....The chinese guy next door bought it and those chinese don't buy anything!

I almost laughed in his face

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 10:50:29 AM

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Here in California radar detectors are legal but but jammers, or any device which interferes with radar signals, are illegal....so i guess that is a good thing...

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 3:39:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom
Shows how much research you've done. Virginia and DC have made it illegal to have a radar detector in the vehicle. If you've done your research, you'd know possession and use are differant things, legally speaking. Numerous other states ban the USE of radar detectors. A number of state laws banning the use of scanners to avoid being caught for illegal activity have been held to apply to radar detectors in court as well.

Also, LIDAR will indeed register from the side of a vehicle and from windows. You can try this experiement at home:
Get cheap laser pointer.
Point at car windows.
See the red reflection.
Point at car bodies.
See the red reflection.

Wherever it will reflect enough for your eye to see, is more than sufficient for the LIDAR to register.

*meow*

If they're illegal in Virginia and DC to use or have in your car, then so what. They are illegal just as I said. Not sure why you're so pumped to split hairs but that's okay. My research was from several websites that report the legality of radar detectors in each state. They don't mention use versus possession...I can only report what I read. It's true that you see a sign on the Virginia state line that announces radar detectors as being illegal. I drive between Maryland and New Hampshire and have never seen a similar sign in any of the states I drive through. I would think if they were illegal in any of them, they would have signs up (just as Massachusetts alerts people to the mandantory 1 year sentence for gun possession).

As to the strength of the laser, like I mentioned in a previous post, the light weakens over distance and that's what the coating is exploiting (not sure how to make it clearer than that). I never said anything about how laser reflects off the sides of cars. The point of protection is on the front of your car where the reflection will bounce back to the laser gun. Actually, it's a good thing that it reflects off the side of a car (or the top of the hood, etc) because this increases the chance that your laser detector will pick up the laser light before your car is being targeted. I've read reports of people getting an alert from laser bouncing off cars ahead of them rounding a curve in the road, effectively allowing them to "see" around corners.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 3:48:43 PM

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The best way to make your car invisible is to put it in the garage and close the garage door.

Do you seriously think any product you can spray or brush on as a coating will prevent your car from reflecting or absorbing laser (light) energy or radio frequency (RF) radar energy? I'll sell you some pills to make your cock reach the floor, how's that?

A simple clear piece of plexiglass (lexan, polystyrene sheeting) does strange things to RF energy, it creates a 180 degree phase shift as the RF energy passes through it. Considering physics, the Radar/Laser speed gun's signal would experience a 180 degree phase shift passing through a plexiglass pane, and converesely, any reflected RF passing back thrugh the plexiglass would again encounter the 180 phase shift, making it in phase once again with the emitter's (gun) signal. So what is achieved by two phase shifts of an emitter signal... nothing but you get to keep the yellow receipt with the address to send a money order to pay your fine.

Lasers on the other hand have their own peculiar characteristics. Their behavior is predicated upon absorption of light energy, and reflectivity is not critical. The absorbed light energy of a car, a tree, a bar code label is what distinguishes changes in the emitted light. Reflections will tend to cancel light energy, or to balance it... whereas absorption causes little to no cancellation or balance in emitted energy.

The biggest fundamental aspect is the time sharing... or the amount of samples per time period. Solid state devices such as Lasers are quite capable of measuring hundreds of thousands of samples per second (sec x1)... per millisecond (msec x3)... even per microsecond (usec x6)... and now even in nanoseconds (nsec x9)...

So the available samples averaged over even a single second or ½ second will compensate for color of paint, position of vehicle with respect to emitter, and many other variables I've seen mentioned in this debate.

If you can fool the emitters for the entire duration of it's sampling, then perhaps you may achieve the anticipated result. Typically the only way to do this is with substitution jamming... sending a fake signal to the emitter close enough to it's anticipated return to deceive it and make it lock on to the electronic decoy.... and then make all it's calculations strictly on the transmitted decoy signal (false return). That makes a car sitting at a redlight, but showing it is traveling at 55mph a bit suspicous to most speed traps.

Necessity is the mother of invention.... making quick big bucks over prolific claims is the mother of marketing...

I understand what you're saying...I studied the physics of light waves in college. All I can say is there are audio/visual clips at several websites (not sites selling the product but rather forums where people talk about the various products available). There are unbiased tests on some of them (sort of a product roundup done each year for comparison). The videos show the effectiveness of the coating against an array of different guns currently used by the police. In most cases the ability is cut in half...sometimes less...sometimes more...but always by enough that if you have a detector it would allow you precious seconds to slow down.

Ever heard of early adopter/late adopter theory in social science? I think I'm experiencing it here on this thread. I guess I'm an early adopter since I've ordered the coating and will have the opportunity to test it myself in a couple weeks when I make my next trip to New Hampshire. I will be sure to report my experiences.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 7/11/2006 3:50:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Is this the same spray-on coating they were selling a while back that was supposed to make your tags 'invisble' to red light cameras?

No it's not...the product is too viscous to be applied by spray methods. You must apply it with a brush.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 6:05:16 AM

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Well, I'm back from my trip and all I can say is...Wow! This stuff really works. I know a place along the Interstate where there's usually a laser trap and was happy to find it set up last weekend. I drove into the trap 5 miles over the speed limit to be safe. My laser detector alarm went off as I approached the place where they shoot at cars from a hidden point behind an overpass. I immediately slowed...was hit again...and by then was within sight of the officers. They just looked at my car as I passed by.

Later in the trip, I was hit again in Delaware unexpectedly about a half mile beyond a toll booth. Again, I was able to check my speed. I should also add that I was alerted well in advance of 6 radar traps as well (I have the "Valentine1" radar/laser detector). It not only has radar/laser detection capability but also has arrows that point in the direction of the signal source so you can tell if it's in front, behind, or off to the side.

While visiting family, I let a couple of my relatives drive my car (it's a 350Z) as they wanted to check it out. On two occasions, we got the alert long before we could see where the trap was located. In both cases we were not speeding but it was still amazing to see this thing in action.

Granted this has been a limited test but combined with the videos I've seen made by other users and independent testers, I'm convinced this stuff is the real deal.

anthrosub

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 6:13:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Fucking lady cops ...

I hear that can get you out of tickets too

~stef

lol I tried this once, she doubled the fine

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 6:37:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
As cute as you are? Only 66%?

Fucking lady cops ...

Guess you didn't get the butch dyke cop?

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 6:43:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

Well, I'm back from my trip and all I can say is...Wow! This stuff really works. I know a place along the Interstate where there's usually a laser trap and was happy to find it set up last weekend. I drove into the trap 5 miles over the speed limit to be safe. My laser detector alarm went off as I approached the place where they shoot at cars from a hidden point behind an overpass. I immediately slowed...was hit again...and by then was within sight of the officers. They just looked at my car as I passed by.

Later in the trip, I was hit again in Delaware unexpectedly about a half mile beyond a toll booth. Again, I was able to check my speed. I should also add that I was alerted well in advance of 6 radar traps as well (I have the "Valentine1" radar/laser detector). It not only has radar/laser detection capability but also has arrows that point in the direction of the signal source so you can tell if it's in front, behind, or off to the side.

While visiting family, I let a couple of my relatives drive my car (it's a 350Z) as they wanted to check it out. On two occasions, we got the alert long before we could see where the trap was located. In both cases we were not speeding but it was still amazing to see this thing in action.

Granted this has been a limited test but combined with the videos I've seen made by other users and independent testers, I'm convinced this stuff is the real deal.

anthrosub

You're saying that you were only going 5 mph over the speed limit, and then you slowed....and they just watched your car go by. Then, your relatives drove, you were NOT speeding.

Sorry, but I'm really not convinced of anything. Of course they'd watch your car go by at 5 mph or less over the limit! What told you this product was working??? I'll buy it when you tell me you repeatedly blow through the speed traps at at least 15 mph over the limit and the cops don't look up from their Krispy Kreme's.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 6:48:20 AM

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There is an easy way. Buy sliver crown vic instal black grill with fog lights behind it, get the police issue wide black metal rims, put a lap top in the front seat and wear a crew cut.

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RE: How to Make Your Car Invisible - 8/5/2006 7:09:30 AM

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      Being invisible is more about what and how you drive than it is about engaging in a battle of technology with LE. Play the psychology instead.

      We were driving to a company awards luncheon a few months ago and one of my co-workers was following us. The usual Southern CA traffic hell broke loose a bit and we kicked it up to 85-90 to make up some time. We were driving a silver Toyota Camry in the lead, they were right behind us in a red 05 Mustang GT. Guess who got the speeding ticket. That cop didn't even look at us when we went through her speed trap.

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