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Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:11:49 PM   
pattiann


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Status: offline 		This question was asked in another thread by BelleAnn44 and I thought it was such a good question, I wanted to bring it up to everyone.
How does one go about making sure everyone involved in play are 'healthy'.  I am mainly talking about STD's, (HPV, HIV, herpes, etc.)   Pretty much assuming that the whole pregnancy issue is taken care of individually. 
No one that I know carries around a 'health certificate' saying they are disease free.  Even if they did, who knows where they were 2 hrs ago. LOL.  Then there is safe sex and safer sex.  Geez, condoms are annoying enough, but when you get into dental dams and rubber gloves - I'd almost rather just masterbate.
That said - Don't we all assume a certain amount of risk just being sexually active?  You can ask as many questions as you like ahead of time, but even in monogamous relationships there is room for error.  Too many diseases can rear their ugly heads YEARS later.
Folks?  How say you?
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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:18:07 PM   
Caretakr


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Status: offline 		Thorough screening, then keep your pants on for someone worth while?

radical concept, but it might work.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:18:31 PM   
smilezz


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Status: offline 		You are correct, there is no such thing as safe sex.  Yes, you can have safer sex by using condoms...dental dams...rubber gloves, and then it's still a guessing game. Yes, they are a pain in the ass.
It boils down to what risk you are willing to take.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:22:07 PM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		I am in a monogamous sexual relationship and have been for 10+ years. Prior to that, I was celibate for 2 years. I think if there was an issue, it would have popped up by now. I don't have to worry at all about pregnancy, so it's a non-issue as well.

The main thing is that Himself has earned my trust. If he believes there is reason for me to worry, I will. For now, I don't worry.

On the other side of the needles, I always wear gloves when I engage. There is a risk, I minimize it as much as I can and find the risks I take to be acceptable.

I want to enjoy my life and do so. Shit happens to everyone.. if it happens to me, I'll deal.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:29:22 PM   
juliaoceania


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Even in a so-called monogamous relationship your mate can give you cooties. No one that has sex is completely safe IMO. Personally I think you should use condoms until you know someone's status through mutual disclosure and if you want to proceed after that without condoms have a mutually exclusive understanding about not being with others...

If it is just play, a test that is up to three months current on HIV and hep, and still wear a condom... you might get herpes but you will not die hopefully.

That is just what I would do if I was into multiple partner stuff.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 4:29:44 PM   
sleazybutterfly


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Status: offline 		I guess it's just a matter of how much risk you want to take.  I get tested on a regular basis and expect who I am with to do so also.  I always use condoms (and I hate them as much as any man), unless I know for a fact that they are safe -read:still risky-. 
 
It's like with even walking out your door in the morning, there is risk in everything.  You just take the most precautions you can, don't have tons of partners, and play smart. 
 
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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/10/2006 8:04:53 PM   
indigo302


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Thorough screening, then keep your pants on for someone worth while?

radical concept, but it might work.


*gasp*  We have to be picky who we let into our panties? 

Such a radical thinker you are!

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/11/2006 3:53:58 AM   
sublizzie


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Even in a long-term monogamous relationship your partner can cheat and end up giving you something. Some things, like HPV, can take YEARS before you realize you are infected.

IMO the honorable thing to do is to disclose one's known status as it is pertinent to the situation at hand.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/11/2006 4:29:28 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		I assumed anyone I would ever be involved in bdsm activities with would want proof that I was "disease-free" (I am, and can prove it, when-if the time comes) and would not object if I asked for the same from them. I am not in the least offended by this reuqest, and hope none would be taken (if so, I would say a tearful yet definite good-bye, I guess). 

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/11/2006 5:15:59 AM   
firstsub


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Status: offline 		Get tested play safe ask to see proof that the one you play with has paper to proove they do the same.
that's the best we can do,,,or don't play...those are the choices

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 12:13:44 AM   
babysburnin


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Status: offline 		Here i go again...playing devil's advocate.  I recently went through all the tests - to get an IUD...apparently they are worried if anything is wrong, (infection, etc) they may be held liable.  I'm free of disease...but I didn't receive a certificate...  What is this proof?  If I did get a "certificate"... I could go have sex with unprotected, nasty people that day.  Is there a time-stamp on these "certificates"? 

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 12:31:25 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Most people should be able to get a copy of their test results for things like: Herpes, chlamydia (sp?), gonnorhea (sp?), etc. from their doctor(s) - and they would either have the date of the lab test cerification on them or else the doctor(s) could date and sign them. Also, a lot of doctor's office's paperwork contains the address and phone number of the doctor's office on it, so the results could be verified by the person wanting verification, if necessary. The doctor should also be able to list all possible sexually transmittable diseases he-she can test a patient for, so they can decide which (any, some or all) of the tests to have.

That's the case with mine, anyway. Most doctor's, I'd hope, are not going to consider this request odd (at least not if they are in favor of having "safe sex") - mine doesn't havea problem with it - I think for his office, it's pretty routine as a request at this point.

I am not sure about a "time-stamp". That is a good question. I am guessing most people would want reassurance that someone else's test results are recent.

But I guess the time viability of anyone's test results are up to the two or more people who are interacting with eachother. I know before I become "active" again, I am going to be re-tested. Not because I think I've caught anything, but because my other results are about 3 years old. 

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 7/12/2006 12:36:24 AM >

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 4:01:44 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		I happen to agree.  Yeah, a certificate is all well and good, but if you go and and contract something immediately after getting tested, well, then your test is worth about the cost of the paper.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 8:31:23 AM   
littleone35


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Status: offline 		I did not get screened because i always used condoms until i met my Master.  He assured me he is clean and i trust him.  I guess it depends on how many people you or he are having sex with.  Master and i only make love with each other so no worries there.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 9:13:30 AM   
nstyslave


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Status: offline 		Before reading the other posts, i will say that this is exactly why i am not sexually active. i will reserve that for "One," wherever "He" is. i don't know if masturbating is "easier," but i most certainly know it is safer. i know that i am "clean," however i do not know where "Whomever" has been...and yes many diseases rear their "ugly heads," way later...it's just not worth it to me. Does it suck at times, sure....but it is simply not worth the risks. Also, i see my body as something that should be cared for properly until the "right one" is met.

i am not making judgments, please do not take it as such, it is just simply a choice that i have chosen for me.

nsty

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 6:34:18 PM   
babysburnin


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Status: offline 		Are you a virgin at 39?  What a prize you will be!  LOL!

(I thought my bouts of self-inflicted celebasy were fairly extreme...I pass the torch to you!) 

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 6:41:11 PM   
babysburnin


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Status: offline 		My reply was tongue-n-cheek.  My point was (was meant to be)...there has to be honesty. 

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/12/2006 6:44:17 PM   
juliaoceania


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quote:

ORIGINAL: babysburnin

Here i go again...playing devil's advocate.  I recently went through all the tests - to get an IUD...apparently they are worried if anything is wrong, (infection, etc) they may be held liable.  I'm free of disease...but I didn't receive a certificate...  What is this proof?  If I did get a "certificate"... I could go have sex with unprotected, nasty people that day.  Is there a time-stamp on these "certificates"? 


You can ask for proof, I did when I got my screenings done before I was with my present Dom. I had them ran again, including HIV to be sure that my former Dom didn't give me anything.. I had to get those tests done a few months before I broke off with my former dom to get an IUD, all but HIV, but I wanted to be sure anyways.

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/13/2006 5:07:10 AM   
nstyslave


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Status: offline 		(laughs) i am beggining to feel like a virgin again...                        i proudly accept the passed torch

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RE: Healthy Screenings??? - 7/13/2006 8:17:22 AM   
lanwolf


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Status: offline 		When I am not with a Partner I get tested and follow up at 6 months and a year just to make sure. Once I am with a partner that there will be sexual activity I try and get us both to go get tested to make sure. Until I can be sure I practice safe sex and that is a limit I have with any new Dom/me until there is no question that we are both safe for each other. This is not an option, I am a slave not a doormat, nor do I have a death wish. After we are both assured we are safe and fluid bonded there is no longer the need for safe sex practice. If They wish to bring in another slave/submissive great I have no issues with that but I do wish to know who they are, the results of there tests and insure safe sex is in practice for the same length of time that we originally had.  Again that is just how it has to be because there is stuff out there like AIDS that kills you its not just go in and get a shot to fix the mistake.
 As for S/m play I have my own toys that I clean and I am assured are cleaned properly. They are all color-coded so that there is no chance of getting them mixed up. I will not play with One that wants me using There toys unless again I have been able to clean them myself and even then there is only One that I trust enough to do this with. I shiver when I see Dom/ms at the local play parties play with someone maybe even cut them slightly then use the same toys on another sub/slave that They don’t Own. To me that is just wrong safety has to come first.

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