joether
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Addressed to joether, I didn't want to make boxes from hell quoting, so I thought this would be an easier method of reply:
I do the text quote boxes for two reasons: One so that what is being debated/discussed in a uniformed and orderly manner. Two, its less clutter on the html.
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Nothing in this world introduced by humans is so complex that it cannot be understood. I have researched drones on my own time because of comments several American friends have made to me through channels other than this site. When you strip it all down, they are faceless guns that are designed for stealthy obliteration. This is all they are good for. They won't make you breakfast; they won't drive you to work; they won't let the dog outside to take a crap. They let people kill you from further away. That is their goal. That is the reason for their design.
Understanding is not the problem, its the desire to learn rather than being forced fed that is the problem. Most Americans could not explain how the ACA operators no more than they could explain how the human liver operates. In both cases, there exists numerous publications that attempt to explain the minor and major factors and facts. People do not want to read long and in-depth materials, but simple answers. So people most condense huge amounts of information down to very simple concepts, without losing the vital nature of information originally embedded within the knowledge. There is, for an example a 'grandfather clause' for healthcare policies. But existing policies at the time needed to conform to the new set of rules. Those polices that didn't, or that had to much 'grew matter' were removed by decision of the insurance companies...NOT...the White House. Further, those insurance companies created new plans that conform to the new rules and added those people just removed from previous ones to the new plans. Which is something else, most Americans are not aware on. That's a failure of our "Press" in informing the public of what is going on with important topics.
When you strip a drone down, its just plastic, metal, and some chemicals. A purpose of a drone is the same as a car. An invention of mankind to perform one or more primary tasks, but can be used for an assortment of other tasks. A Car's primary purpose is: 1 ) Move people from A to B locations, 2 ) Move objects from A to B locations, or 3 ) A combination of 1 & 2. Could it be used in a movie? Just as much as it could be used to kill someone. A drone's primary purpose is to operate beyond "Line of Sight" from the operator and in some cases, act independently of the operator. You have a 'drone' system in your car most likely; its called 'Cruise Control'. Has the cruise control killed you yet?
In several countries there are experiments with 'driverless' cars that can be used to safety transport people from location to location. Drones are being used to find missing persons out in the wilds and with helping farmers grow crops.
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The odds of my scenario being true do not rule it out. Depending on how many drones are deployed in the city, density of sidewalk population, positioning of suspected terrorists (because New York has no precedent to worry about those!), I'd say my odds are not as slim as you might liken them to be. "Wrong place and wrong time" does happen, and the longer the time frame involved the greater those odds become. It's rather like saying, the bungee cord won't break you big pussy, just jump. I can put myself in that scenario with the possibility of bad results if I want to, but it's hardly my first choice.
If your THAT afraid of death, I have two suggestions:
A ) Live the rest of your life in a padded cell, using limited foods that you have grown, and accept no human contact except by close circuit television.
B ) Go get a therapist!
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Militarized drones are not on US soil, and it's that kind of drone I'm discussing here. Not remote controlled toy helicopters, but rather lethal killing machines designed to kill.
You do understand that some of those drone pilots, operating the drones in the Middle East, live in the United States, right? They leave their houses in the US, go into work, fly a drone for many hours, and then return to their house once they are done for the day. Unlike USN Pilots that typically live aboard a carrier, or Army/Air Force Pilots deployed, the drone pilots (and they have some in each of the branches now) can live within the United States.
Where did those drones get tested for use in the US Military? The United States of America. An they use military spec drones for law enforcement processes (typically surveillance rather than 'search and destroy'). Whose to say they don't use them to protect this nation's borders from a surprise attack?
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I was referring to John Wagner's "Judge Dredd" (old school, mein freund) and by that logic, the Weller Robocop.  The driving point behind those references wasn't merely the policing of humans by robots, but the necessity of human decision being employed in the utilization of machinery for violent purpose. It was a prelude to the tip of the hat to full automation. If you automate a gun to mindlessly mete out the intent of human law, you're digging a pretty deep hole for yourself, and you can't say that the idea is ludicrous because it's already been imagined, and "science fiction" can turn into fact with the right incentive.
All the while ignoring the biological drones that have been around for about two million years: Homo Sapiens. Mankind, unlike all other organisms on this planet has the 'killing of itself and all life' down to a science. We can effectively make this planet 'unlivable' to 99% of life in just 34.5 minutes. And your bitching about drones made of plastic, metal and chemicals?
Further, mankind has been fascinated by turning inanimate objects into beings of life and ability. Which predates which: 1 ) The origins of the word 'Golem'? Or 2 ) A Predator Drone? "I, Robot" was created in a time when such robots were total science fiction, yet mankind was fascinated with the concept. We have Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galatica and even Buck Rogers. Do we have inter-solar-system starships? Because I'm sure we'll have individuals spewing certifiable crap when they come about as well. Which, as I stated, every technology mankind has found has good and bad purposes.
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In the middle of a war, a remotely controlled unit may save the lives of its operators, at the expense of the people they kill with said unit, and that might be justified. Making it a part of urban law enforcement is terror from within.
Its only terror when the law enforcement is being directed by the government above it. Which would mean, if the government is not held accountable and responsible with power by the people it governs; then it opens the door to bad government. As I've stated in previous threads. When conservatives and libertarians hold Republicans and Tea Party members seeking public office, or re-election, to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as they slam President Obama and Democrats on an hourly basis; we'll have better government almost overnight! They cant do it, because the fear is they'll see more Democrats in Congress, and holding the White House for many more years to come.
Drones that can not think on their own, are easy to control. They can be of the mechanical or biological kind....
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