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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:14:20 AM

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exactly

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:15:04 AM

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Oh good grief.

I have redundancies here at home. Things happen.

So much for your understanding of computer systems at even basic levels.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:23:52 AM

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Because government agencies require a whole different level of security and redundancies.

If there are redundancies... WHY oh WHY is the information "lost"

Because it is so very convenient

Not only was it lost, the fact that it was lost / illegally destroyed was illegally hidden for months

Also very convenient

That bureaucrats can be so stoopid is proof that the government needs to be kept on an even shorter leash than the Tea Party asserts

And if they are criminal rather than stupid (either way), same thing

Shorter leashes, less power, smaller government

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:28:28 AM

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Because government agencies require a whole different level of security and redundancies.

If there are redundancies... WHY oh WHY is the information "lost"

Because it is so very convenient

Not only was it lost, the fact that it was lost / illegally destroyed was illegally hidden for months

Also very convenient

That bureaucrats can be so stoopid is proof that the government needs to be kept on an even shorter leash than the Tea Party asserts

And if they are criminal rather than stupid (either way), same thing

Shorter leashes, less power, smaller government

It wasn't hidden. It wasn't illegally destroyed. The Republicans are just so grossly incompetent that they didn't read the freaking report that said the emails were gone for months. It was in the IG report that Issa got almost a year ago.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:37:15 AM

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Taking a big picture look at guns in society, guns have a few purposes, guns designed for sport hunting are (or are mostly) single shot high accuracy.

Would you have any validation for this ignorant opinion?

Only 25 years of deer and elk hunting in California and Colorado. I hear (no pun) it's now fashionable to use semi auto weapons to hunt with as a political statement but I would maintain that real sportsmen still use single shot bolt action weapons and anyone only needs one bullet to take down an animal if they are moderately skilled. I'll admit it's been a while since I hunted and at my age it's unlikely I will be able to climb to high altitude after elk again but I am pretty sure I remember how. I used to live at 9000 feet near the Continental divide and would bet I've gutted and cleaned more elk than most on this site have seen.

I'm no expert hunter but I am also not someone who hunted from a tree blind either.

All rifles,bolt action or semi auto are designed for high accuracy. Check the numbers and you will find that the manufacturers produce more auto loaders than bolt action.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:41:21 AM

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Oh good grief.

I have redundancies here at home. Things happen.

So much for your understanding of computer systems at even basic levels.

MM...

If there are redundancies done but NOT fucking idiots... the whole "things happen" doesnt work Because the whole point of redundancy is so that when things happen..... it doesnt destroy everything...

if my company a small 50 person company.... Has not only tape backups but hard drive backups for the email server..

Why isnt the government on par with that?

I mean ffs Yahoo email has better redundancy then the config the irs has...

Thats seriously NOT okay...Theres NO fucking excuse in the world that makes THAT okay ... not when a fucking 10 year old can set up a raid 5 config....

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:43:25 AM

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Incorrect. The distinction isn't in what type of weapon it's intended for.

A clip is a device that holds ammunition, but the device itself does NOT stay in the weapon. It's a loading aid.

Your ignorance of firearms is manifest. The m1 rifle uses a clip. The clip stays in the weapon until the last round is fired and then it is ejected.

A magazine is a device that holds ammunition, AND stays inside/attached to the weapon.

A "speed-loader" for a revolver is also a type of a clip, but not a magazine - the speed-loader holds the bullets, you stick them into the chambers, and remove the speed-loader.

Then there are what are called half moon clips for revolvers. Yes they stay in the weapon until the bullets have been fired.

1.) In the image I posted, there's a SPECIFIC EXCEPTION for the M1 Garand. Your reading comprehension problems aren't my concern.

Nor is the accuracy of your statements it would seem. The exception noted in the chart makes no mention of the clip being retained in the weapon.

2.) You know what you call the one thing out of 1000's of cases? An exception that proves the rule.
If one checks the production numbers on the m1 rifle it is anything but an exception. It is one of the top ten produced weapons in the world.

P.S. My "ignorance" (BAHAHAHA!), even if that was the case, is nothing compared to your attitude.

I am right and you are wrong and you don't like my attitude. That sounds like a personal problem that you might want to talk with the chaplin about.

I'd rather not know something, but be able to learn, than be a sanctimonious prick, apparently for life.

I just disabused you of your ignorance and you are too phoquing arrogant to say thank you.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:53:33 AM

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As anyone should know a bolt action is not gas operated and the AR is this means (for the uneducated like you) that even if the AR were in 30-06 the recoil would be much less.

You are full of shit as usual. When the bolt is in battery and the cartridge is fired all of the recoil is directed at the locked bolt. It does not make a phoquing bit of difference what mechanism was used to put the bolt into battery. The mass of the weapon would have some effect on the percieved recoil. But keep in mind that the difference in weight of an 03 springfield and an m1 is less than 1 pound or approximately 10%.

I can add that a .223 is less likely to go thru walls than an 06

Unless you live in a steel or concrete house you are still full of shit.

I might add that a bolt action is not a good choice for home defense.

Is that because in your home defense scenario you are invaded by several dozen heavily armed and highly triained mercinaries with criminal intent....It sorta begs the question. You claim to be poverty striken what the fuck have you got that this gang of highly trained gangsters want?

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 9:56:48 AM

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I, unlike liberals do not whitewash foul
deeds committed by people who are on the same half of the political
spectrum as me.

What a phoqung two faced liar. You just did by saying that all liberals do such and such.Doesn't it hurt to talk out of both sides of it at the same time?

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:01:25 AM

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Oh good grief.

I have redundancies here at home. Things happen.

So much for your understanding of computer systems at even basic levels.

MM...

If there are redundancies done but NOT fucking idiots... the whole "things happen" doesnt work Because the whole point of redundancy is so that when things happen..... it doesnt destroy everything...

if my company a small 50 person company.... Has not only tape backups but hard drive backups for the email server..

Why isnt the government on par with that?

I mean ffs Yahoo email has better redundancy then the config the irs has...

Thats seriously NOT okay...Theres NO fucking excuse in the world that makes THAT okay ... not when a fucking 10 year old can set up a raid 5 config....

We're going in circles. And you're not listening.

You're the genius in your own mind. Call the government and offer them your services.

I'll wait here 'til you get back.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:02:49 AM

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As I wrote previously I've seen 100 lb. girls shoot .30-06 bolt action rifles with no trouble. And actually for the truly not clueless since a gas operated weapon contains all of its discharge to operate the mechanism versus a bolt which lets it all leave the weapon immediately a bolt will tend to have less felt recoil that is why sharp shooters prefer bolts over semis.

You also are full of shit. All of the energy that is expeded upon the firing of the cartredge is directed against the face of the bolt. It is not until the gasses reach almost the end of the barrel that a small part of the exhaust is scavenged to operate the mechanism.
Sharpshooters prefer bolt action weapons because they are more easily "accurized" than auto loaders not that they are inhearently more accurate.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:07:31 AM

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That is stupid, part of the gas operation reduces recoil,

No it does not dumbass. When the cartedge goes off none of that energy is operating the mechanism.It is not until the bullet is a short distance from the end of the muzzel that the exhaust energy is scavenged to operate the mechanism

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:08:02 AM

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We're going in circles. And you're not listening.

Going in circles only because you are too dense or willfully ignorant to understand the very simple premise

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:12:05 AM

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Unlike you geniuses here. Have you considered running for office?

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:13:05 AM

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How do you think the gas gets back to the action?
It goes into a tube near the muzzle it then is directed back to the action.

Actually it does not do that at all. The operating rod piston is at the front of the tube where the scavanged gas acts directly on the hardened head of the piston.

When it hits that turn sending it back to the action it reduces the recoil.

Since the recoil is produced by the firing of the cartridge that recoil energy is directed at the locked face of the bolt. The cycling of the action does not occure until after the bullet is fired.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:16:52 AM

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Who knew ? And all these years I thought semi autos had less recoil

Now you are less ignorant than yesterday.

and sharp shooters on average prefer bolt guns because you can tweek more mechanical accuracy out of them.

Really? Just how does one do that. The sights are firmly attached to the rigid construct of the barrel and reciever. Just what is it in a bolt action that makes it superior to the auto loader in "mechanical accuracy"?

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:18:29 AM

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Unlike you geniuses here. Have you considered running for office?

You are childish

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:23:06 AM

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No, you clueless fuck.. you are simply wrong about bolts and semi's. A semi does buck more than a bolt.

It would appear that you too are a clueless fuck. They do not.

The recoil is felt more because the gas moves various parts that operate the reload while in a bolt it simply comes straight into you.

Please pay close attention. The autoloading parts do not move until after all of the recoil has been experienced. The bolt is locked in battery. What part of that escapes you?

If you actually ever target shot you'd know that. There is a reason the Marines fought for years to keep their bolt action sniper rifles.

Carlos, the most famous marine sniper, prefered a ma duce which for the ignorant is a .50 cal machine gun that will fire single shot or full auto.

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:23:15 AM

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I can't help but laugh, as I imagine apoplectic leftists from the floor of the Senate to the streets of DC reacting to George W. Bush / Dick Cheney using the IRS to attack leftist groups then very conveniently "losing" critical email evidence

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RE: The ignorance of liberals - 7/15/2014 10:25:02 AM

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