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Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/10/2014 9:27:55 AM)
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ORIGINAL: njlauren
... alcohol was almost unregulated, not unlike guns in many places...
That is completely and blatantly false. There is a licensing system in EVERY state. It is impossible to procure a gun in a LEGAL manner in the United States, without going through some form of a check. ALL licensed dealers are required to run a background check - there goes 40-50% of the sales, and 40-50% of that argument. Even for private sales, you're required to either bring the sale to a licensed dealer (some states), or contact the state authorities with a request to approve the sale. In NO state are you allowed to knowingly sell to a convicted felon, or to a person with a court-ordered psychiatric treatment/commitment history.
The "gun show loophole" argument, which is repeated in the media over and over again, is simply bullshit. Here's one of many articles that explains it:
Washington Times: The Gun-Show Loophole Myth
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...the loose gun laws in many states have led to tragedy, whether it was the crazy Korean kid in Virginia, or the 70% of guns pulled off the streets of NYC that were bought, legally, in a couple of states with notoriously lax laws.
That "crazy Korean kid" obtained his guns illegally. As in, he broke the law. So did Adam Lanza. Please explain how more laws would stop someone who intends on breaking or circumventing them anyway.
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In Georgia you can basically walk into a gun store and fill up your trunk, friends of mine in our corporate office who are gun owners told me basically that it wasn't all that much different than buying a hammer at home depot or an electric drill.
From GeorgiaCarry.org:
Q: What is required to purchase a firearm in the state of Georgia?
A: You will need a valid state-issued ID. Many Federal Firearms Licensees will not transfer long guns to out-of-state residents. This is due to the Federal Firearms Licensee’s requirement to uphold your resident state’s gun laws, and the inherent complexity associated with many states. Federal Firearms Licensee’s are prohibited by federal law from transferring hand guns to out-of-state residents.
Q: Do I have to pass a background check when purchasing a firearm from a Dealer?
A: You will be required to pass a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer. However, if you possess a valid Georgia Weapons License, your Georgia Weapons License will suffice as your background check. You will be required to show your state issued ID and your Georgia Weapons License in order to avoid the background check.
If your friends already have a license, i.e. they have already been background-checked, then yes, they can show their license and purchase another gun. Don't make it sound like ANYONE could walk into a gun shop and buy one. That's a fantasy. In any state.
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The same model IMO should be applied to guns. I think that people have the right to own guns, but there is also a strong case for regulation. You buy a gun and try selling it in the black market and it gets traced back to you, you are dead meat, and none of this "oh, I lost it" or "Oh, it was stolen bullshit"...if you didn't report it missing or stolen, then you are assumed to be liable.
Again, in many states, you ARE legally liable to report your firearm stolen to the police. States with mandatory loss/theft reporting requirements:
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Rhode Island
Besides legal requirements, there are also civil penalties. As in, if your gun is lost or stolen, and you don't report it, and it's used in a crime, the victim's family can sue the hell out of you.
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Joe Billy Bob fills up his trunk in Georgia then goes up to a city and sells the guns in the black market will think twice, because he won't be able to say Sheeet, I musta lost it or it done got stolen", not going to fly.
He can't say that now, see above.
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the position of the nutjobs at the NRA that guns should be without burdens is ludicrous, to say the least
It would be ludicrous if that was true. NRA Executive VP WayneLaPierre has REPEATEDLY said, in press and TV interviews, that the current system needs to be fixed rather than more laws being added to the already-unenforceable cluster****, and that the government REALLY needs to focus on mental health, which they seem to be completely ignoring at the present time.
"We have a mental health system in this country that has completely and totally collapsed. We have no national database of these lunatics." - LaPierre on NBC's "Meet The Press", shortly after the Navy Yard shooting.
"We think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show" - LaPierre to House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, in 1999.
etc, etc.
There's the media bullshit stance that the NRA is a bunch of slavering lunatics, and there are the FACTS.
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