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Claiming that lost emails are only stored on the computers of the people in question is ludicrous. In that sort of environment, emails are always stored on servers

Funny how that was what was claimed when Rove lost emails related to the Plame investigation and the firing of the prosecutors and all the other scandals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

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Claiming that lost emails are only stored on the computers of the people in question is ludicrous. In that sort of environment, emails are always stored on servers

Funny how that was what was claimed when Rove lost emails related to the Plame investigation and the firing of the prosecutors and all the other scandals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Little johnny did not, in fact, "do it too". Bush's dismissing those Attorney Generals was legal, as they serve at the pleasure of the president. Obama however, using the IRS to attack those suspected of political dissent is illegal and wrong in SO many ways

And the Bush email "scandal" was fully investigated btw, something you claim that a president (this current president) should be above

But of course you can't be expected to see nor acknowledge such truths

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So losing emails is fine when Bush did it. I see...

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So losing emails is fine when Bush did it. I see...

No. Again, it was fully investigated... While today, leftists claim that a president with a D by his name should be above such an investigation

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No, it was ignored by the Bush DoJ. There was no criminal investigation and no prosecution.

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... Till then STFU.

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No, it was ignored by the Bush DoJ. There was no criminal investigation and no prosecution.

According to your own link above the House Oversight committee / Henry Waxman conducted a Congressional investigation with subpoenas and everything (with no mention of Bush stonewalling then like Obama does now), which is all that the Republicans are doing to the accompaniment of your shrieks and cursing

And again, dismissing Attorneys General was perfectly legal, Obama using the IRS to hound dissenters is not

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Again, dismissing Attorneys General was perfectly legal, Obama using the IRS to hound dissenters is not.

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And if she lied, how many people got killed because of it? Because I know this 'crew' that lied to America about Iraq and got....THOUSANDS....of Americans killed. On top of that, got.....TENS of THOUSANDS...more Americans with long term injuries. Because they were not 'honest' or 'truthful' about things under their watch, to the same level as you accuse Mrs. Lerner.....

And I know this one President who had trying to use the IRS as a tool against his political enemies in the articles of impeachment against him.

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BTW, the Bush administration got its claims that Iraq had WMD from one clown called Chalabi, who was an Iraqi exile who claimed that he had a network of spies in the country reporting that they had WMD's,and they basically used this as 'proof' for WMD's existing

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No, it was ignored by the Bush DoJ. There was no criminal investigation and no prosecution.

According to your own link above the House Oversight committee / Henry Waxman conducted a Congressional investigation with subpoenas and everything (with no mention of Bush stonewalling then like Obama does now), which is all that the Republicans are doing to the accompaniment of your shrieks and cursing

And again, dismissing Attorneys General was perfectly legal, Obama using the IRS to hound dissenters is not

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So losing emails is fine when Bush did it. I see...

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The conservatives, figuring their base are morons, say things like "86 conservative groups were denied this status, while only 35 liberal groups were denied this status", but what they left out was that conservative leaning groups filed at a rate 10 times higher than liberal groups, so as a percentage there was little difference.......

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So losing emails is fine when Bush did it. I see...

Of course, here it is...Bush again. How do we somehow get a President who left office six years ago factored into a discussion on the IRS under Obama? My head is ready to explode again. Someone hand me the duct tape, the good kind, not that off brand stuff.

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BTW, the Bush administration got its claims that Iraq had WMD from one clown called Chalabi, who was an Iraqi exile who claimed that he had a network of spies in the country reporting that they had WMD's,and they basically used this as 'proof' for WMD's existing

I'm old enough to remember the Satellite photos of WMD storage locations and the trucks removing them before the UN observers were allowed to see those locations. There were many instances where UN observers were sent in to verify the WMD claims and were refused entrance by the Iraq authorities. This suggests there is much more to push President Bush to finally attack Iraq than an urge to look good for Daddy.

Waittaminute, what has Bush and WMDs got to do with Lois Lerner? Is this another sly "it's Bush's fault" diversion? By damn it is...and I got caught up in it too. Must be slipping.

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I would love one of the conservative numbnuts on here to explain to me why conservative group filings were approved at the same overall rate as liberal groups?

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The conservatives, figuring their base are morons, say things like "86 conservative groups were denied this status, while only 35 liberal groups were denied this status", but what they left out was that conservative leaning groups filed at a rate 10 times higher than liberal groups, so as a percentage there was little difference.......

Source? Quote? Date? Context?

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BTW, the Bush administration got its claims that Iraq had WMD from one clown called Chalabi, who was an Iraqi exile who claimed that he had a network of spies in the country reporting that they had WMD's,and they basically used this as 'proof' for WMD's existing

I'm old enough to remember the Satellite photos of WMD storage locations and the trucks removing them before the UN observers were allowed to see those locations. There were many instances where UN observers were sent in to verify the WMD claims and were refused entrance by the Iraq authorities. This suggests there is much more to push President Bush to finally attack Iraq than an urge to look good for Daddy.

Waittaminute, what has Bush and WMDs got to do with Lois Lerner? Is this another sly "it's Bush's fault" diversion? By damn it is...and I got caught up in it too. Must be slipping.

I am more than old enough, and before the Iraq war every claim the Bush administration said turned out to be BS..remember the Niger Yellowcake story, that Colin Powell was dumb enough to go in front of the UN with, that turned out to be totally made up? I also remember the photos in question, and what I recall of them this happened way before Bush came to office, back in the mid 1990's, and that the UN inspectors eventually found anything that was there. As far as I can recall, there was nothing in the runup to the Iraqi war, done after Bush was in office, that showed WMD's being moved.......the only claims I have seen of that were on Fox News, claiming that the WMD's had been moved to Syria before the invasion, but the only problem with that is there isn't one shred of evidence that that happened...Mossad for example said they saw no sign of that, and military satellites that were tasked on Iraq saw no signs of it, and to this day, nothing showed up. The Bush administration also never cited that, what they said was that they had evidence from people inside Iraq that Hussein had WMD's that were a threat to the US....and foreign intelligence services, notably the Germans, told the US that those reports were single sourced through a network headed by Chalabi, who they said was unreliable and had an agenda and very good reason to lie, and the Mossad also said they doubted the veracity of those reports, but those are what Bush used to justify the war. It is pathetic, both Cheney and Rumsfeld still claim the reports were good, when the stuff they picked up from the Iraqis after the war showed that there was basically nothing, that what had existed the inspectors had cleaned up years before. The biggest problem with all this is that one of the most basic rules of intelligence is that you never, ever trust a single source, you always verify things with other sources before acting. A friend of mine at a church I belonged to at the time of the runup to the Iraq war was ex military intelligence (he had been active duty during desert storm), and he said that what got him was the lack of evidence that Bush laid out, to the UN and elsewhere, and he said it smelled, that you never took action when the evidence was that flimsy. He said that while he wasn't privy to anything in particular, friends of his still active said that what made them suspicious was the lack of chatter at the time of the runup, that if Iraq really had the kind of WMD's there would have been chatter on it all over the place, but there was nothing, that the amount of chatter and reports about/from Iraq were what they had been. Two reporters for the St. Louis Post despatch, who were the only journalists doing their job and not giving Bush free reign, had a lot of inside sources in intelligence, and what they were told was that basically the same thing, that based on the traffic they saw, the justification for invading Iraq looked to be nonexistent. The fact that Bush and Cheney suddenly went from it being about WMD's, to being about 'Freeing Iraq" tells volumes, that it became patently obvious that there was nothing there and hadn't been for a long time, and that the whole runup was bull, a story put together to justify an invasion.