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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
amazing that its only been in the past five years that this has been important to republicans/tea parties and that its the poor that have to pay the price.
oh no, its not amazing....it is hypocrisy and unadulterated hatred disguised as fiscal AND social conservative mores.
How about we not ignore the facts, Lucy? Under W's tax cuts, the upper percentiles shouldered a larger % of the overall income tax burden, and more wage earners didn't have a tax burden at all (wasn't because they were earning less, either). Under W, we still saw a massive increase in revenues that are still enjoyed to this day.
Under former President George W. Bush, this nation saw the federal budget go from a surplus during the Clinton Administration to a HUGE deficit. All thanks to those five tax cuts that were handed out. And how did we pay for those deficits, DS? That's right, we BORROWED MONEY. So that in effect increased our federal debt. What was the debt in 1999? About $4 trillion. At the end of the Bush administration? About $10.5 Trillion. You can blame Democrats for not going along with reductions in the budget, since the items being effected were HEAVILY stacked against the Democrat's 'sacred cow' (gee, cant imagine why they would resist that....). Since the budget has been out of sync and uneven, that deficit has grown and the debt has grown.
Every attempt to reach a consensus and agreement on the budget has failed due to Republican/Tea Party problems. They are the ones that wanted to shut down the whole government last I checked, unless, America bow into their extortion tactics. Then there is that Iraq War. Why did we go there, DS? Oh, that's right to find and removed those 'Massive Stockpiles' of 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'. We didn't find very much. But boy did we get tens of billions to Dick Cheney's former employer, lost 4,000+ good US Soldiers and found 32,500+ soldiers with long term injuries/wounds. The world witness 100,000-600,000 civilians being put to the sword (depending on which report one believes). And that whole disaster cost the nation $1 Trillion of BORROWED MONEY. Longer term, it will cost the nation another $5-7 trillion.
On top of all that, Republican/Tea Party in Congress removed a number of regulations that kept American companies from doing bad/stupid things in the quest for more profit (read: Greed trumps Wisdom). And what happened, DS? This nation was sinking down into a second great depression in 2007. And who was against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009? The bill that would shore up the 27 key industries in America, resulting in a recoverable recession rather than a lengthy economic depression? The Republican/TEA Party! You never read the ARRA, but were FULLY against it. So the DOW is twice what it was when President Obama took office in 2009, the nation is doing better, unemployment is going down. And we have reinstituted some of the previously removed regulations to keep what happen in 2002-2006 from happening any time soon.
W's tax cuts? Those did NOTHING to help this nation's budget. The Republican/Tea Party removed tax revenue to 'appease' the ignorant masses of conservatives/libertarians (i.e. 'The Low Information Voters'). But they couldn't adjust the Federal Budget since they tried to gut a high amount of things that Democrats thought were important. So that nice Federal Surplus this nation was enjoying was removed in 2000. And each year after that, it got worst.
And where were all those 'Fiscal Conservatives'? That's right...completely silent and obedient to the Republican/Tea Party's wishes. They were only 'let off their leash and muzzle' when some black guy won the White House. Which is to show to any decent observer how full of shit 'Fiscal Conservatives' really are!
If those tax cuts were removed, and about $150-350 Billion was to be removed from the budget, it would be evened out, if not a tiny surplus. But Republican/Tea Party doesn't want to do that, because they are slaves of the 1% of tax payers in the nation (i.e. the absurdly rich). If the 1%'ers were to demand Republican/Tea Party to suck there cocks, it would be done within an instant! If the other 99% of Americans ask Republican/Tea Party to do something useful for them, it would be ignored. Cause in point....The Republican House right now is the 2nd least productive in the 238 years of America; and the least productive was the year before. Republican/Tea Party can not make any compromises on ANYTHING ranging from simply 'up/down votes' on the hiring of interns to work for Congress to handling immigration reform. Because their.....deluded....belief system has become "Our Way or Hell!".
And where are all those conservative/libertarians to hold the people they elect and support? Completely silent! How silent? I could drop a pin in the room, and you'd be blown off your feet from 100 miles away by the shockwave. That's how silent and full of shit they are! They want to impeach the President for doing his job, but not lifting a finger in annoyance to how Republican/Tea Party behaves. Which is to greatly diminish any and all credibility with being taken seriously as citizens and adults.
Finally, conservative/libetarians live in a total fantasy world. Removed of facts, information, or evidence from reality that would contradict their viewpoints when making any of their arguments would be laughable if the subject matter was not some important.
How programmed and condition are conservatives/libertarians to the Republican/Tea Party and the 1%er's? You couldn't even give a decent, well thought, straight answer to the question "How do you define Limited Government in exacting terms?" Why? Because conservative media didn't tell you to think for yourself, but believe everything they say without question. That's not rational, intelligent, OR wise!
< Message edited by joether -- 7/25/2014 12:52:24 PM >
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