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CrazyHarleyQuinn -> Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 2:51:18 AM)

So somehow my family got into the discussion on everybody who has had sex in the house. I was mentioned, and one of my family members goes, "I don't think it counts if it's kinky.", then did their best impression of having a ball gag in their mouth and pretending to try to yell, making fun of it.

My family knows because I told my sister, (because she snooped on my laptop, because I was stupid enough to trust that my family wouldn't snoop through my shit), and then apparently she told them. Even though I told her it's kind of not something I want to share with the world, especially family I have to live with.

This exact reason is why I didn't want anybody else in the family to know, because I knew I would get a bad reaction.

Has anybody else been "outed"? If so, how?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 3:21:30 AM)

This is the problem when you live in a country where religion clouds laws and taints most people's perceptions.

I've seen all sorts of discussions on here where people are scared to lose their family or their job (or both) just by saying or implying that they do things a little differently from bible-bashing religious zealots.

We have no problem here with that sort of thing even if it becomes public knowledge.
It's usually a case of "so what??".

So I can honestly say - we've not been 'outed' because there isn't anything sooo depraved to 'out' us with!




InHisHeart -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 4:22:13 AM)

Kinky sex doesn't count as what?

Some of my close friends and family know what type of lifestyle I live because I told them, I never felt I had anything to hide. No one has had any negative reaction, some ask a lot of curious questions to get a better understanding but nothing negative. I marched to the beat of my own drum from the time I was a kid and never gave a damn what other people thought about me so maybe they're just accustomed to me doing my own thing and not following "society's norm".

Next time their making fun of you, tell them the greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.




DarkSteven -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 8:02:19 AM)

I suspect that by "kinky sex", they mean bondage, impact play, etc., in which case I agree that it is not sex. But the term "kinky sex" is incorrect.




Arturas -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 8:39:45 AM)

Yes. My tool/toy box has been found by family members with no issues, I suspect any family members who watch modern cable TV programs will tend to be acclimated to such things appearing beneath the HOH tie rack.




FieryOpal -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 8:45:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CrazyHarleyQuinn

...one of my family members goes, "I don't think it counts if it's kinky."
<snip>
Has anybody else been "outed"? If so, how?

Part I: Snooping in your laptop is the modern-day equivalent of snooping through your diary.
Siblings will be siblings, I'm sorry to say. The same with some concerned parents hunting for evidence of substance abuse.
In my family, believe it or not, we respected each other's privacy and didn't snoop. My family knew I kept a diary, but I always made sure to keep it well hidden away.

Part II: If you call it "kinky sex," then it's sex. Oral sex IS sex. (Intercourse has a sexual connotation, but "social intercourse" is NOT sexual.)
Just calling a particular activity "kinky," as your family member did, does not make it sexual.
In my way of thinking, an intimate activity which is erotic in nature or sexually charged is sexual. It has become psychologically sexual.

If you get turned on by spanking a play partner and/or your play partner gets turned on by being spanked, not only was this a physically intimate activity, it was erotic.
If some naked dude is kneeling in front of me wearing nothing but a collar & leash, and our scene has erotic undertones or overtones, then perhaps according to legal definitions, we didn't engage in sex but we have still been intimate with one another.
Being mentally unfaithful to your partner can cause nearly as much damage to the relationship as an *act* of certifiable infidelity.
I have a friend who doesn't mind (or so she says) sharing her bf with another woman, as long as it's *only* physical [sex] and he doesn't become emotionally involved. Playing with fire...

Part III: Have I ever been "outed"? No. But I'm a private person, and I'm very careful in whom I confide.
For the longest time, I was completely unaware that my cousin was a Domme and had been in a D/s relationship dynamic for many years with her SO. (Nor she, I)
I don't believe it's appropriate to involve one's children in one's private affairs, or expose them to certain aspects of sexuality before they can properly process these matters for themselves (other than the basics).
I keep my private life, private. I don't bring dates over and introduce them to my teenager, as if my home were a revolving door of strange men. That's just me--what others do is on them.




kinksterparty -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 9:21:00 AM)

1.) Privacy is important. There are so many technological tools to protect yourself, there's really no excuse not to use them.

a.) TOR Browser Bundle - the TOR (anonymous protocol) loader + control panel + proxy server + special version of Firefox modified to use TOR.
b.) TORChat - a standalone application that uses the TOR protocol (can be run independent of TOR Browser, but I find that it makes connections faster if TOR is already loaded). It's 1-to-1 encryption, and unlike Yahoo/AIM, where a central server logs everything (yes, 60 or 90 day archiving of ALL conversations and file transfers, see "Compliance Guide for Law Enforcement, Yahoo Inc", I'm not kidding), there is no storage of conversations unless you specifically activate logging to file.
c.) Gmask - free program that lets you "mess up" a picture with a specific sequence of filters. If you know the sequence, you can run them in reverse to reveal the image. It's not password-protecting the file, it's scrambling the actual dots.
d.) TrueCrypt - encrypted file / drive application. Also has a portable version.
e.) Hardware: Imation IronKey. 4GB of military-grade-encrypted USB storage, in a metal case filled with epoxy, for about $ 100.

There's more out there, but these free tools are more than sufficient to keep your private conversations and files beyond the reach of anyone (who's not in law enforcement).

2.) Sex is sex, whether it's on silk sheets or wrapped in leather. Despite what Bill Clinton might like you to believe, blowjobs DO count.

3.) In my not-so-humble opinion, it's a huge violation of privacy to "out" someone's very personal intimate preferences. I'm extremely discreet about my activities, and the few people that are aware of them, either have no connection to my vanilla life, or have proven themselves to be trustworthy enough that I can confide in them, and because they share a similar "you just DON'T do THAT, regardless" view of the issue. I wouldn't "out" someone to their family, not even if I had a serious reason, let alone for fleeting entertainment. You can't un-ring that bell.

However, being outed offers you an opportunity to share your reasons and possibly become closer with your family members, since they would understand you on a deeper level than before. It's damage control, yes, but it's the kind of damage control that can actually be turned into a positive. Talk about the reasons you do the things you do, without getting into details. Hopefully, your family dynamic is stable, and your family members have an interest in understanding you.




Gauge -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 12:06:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CrazyHarleyQuinn

So somehow my family got into the discussion on everybody who has had sex in the house. I was mentioned, and one of my family members goes, "I don't think it counts if it's kinky.", then did their best impression of having a ball gag in their mouth and pretending to try to yell, making fun of it.

My family knows because I told my sister, (because she snooped on my laptop, because I was stupid enough to trust that my family wouldn't snoop through my shit), and then apparently she told them. Even though I told her it's kind of not something I want to share with the world, especially family I have to live with.

This exact reason is why I didn't want anybody else in the family to know, because I knew I would get a bad reaction.

Has anybody else been "outed"? If so, how?



I may be in the minority here, but no matter how it happened the information is out there and it is best to deal with it head-on. You can lament how unfortunate it was that you did not control when, if ever, the truth would come to light but that boat has left the port. How it came out was an invasion of your privacy and that should carry the normal consequences associated with such things and should lead you to take better care of information you want to keep private.

It is generally normal for people to make fun of something they do not understand, even if it can be rude when they do. What they are basing their reaction off of is what little they know about BDSM and the relational dynamic involved. This information is usually the result of something they saw on TV, in a movie, a book, their own assumptions, or porn. Usually these depictions are distorted and unrealistic and therefore carry a "stigma" to people who know little about the lifestyle. So, since you can do nothing about the fact that your "secret" is out, stand up straight, throw your shoulders back and look them straight in the eye and tell them that you like BDSM and if they have questions you will answer anything they ask or point them to a place so they can get informed. You might want to tell them that you would not make fun of their sexual choices for the simple reason that it is not usually a topic for open discussion unless someone wants it to be that way, and that you had no say in what happened.

Let them have their fun and don't take it personally although it is tough not to, but right now you have absolutely nothing to hide, so how they deal with this information is not a reflection on you, but rather on them and their maturity level.




CrazyHarleyQuinn -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 2:04:49 PM)

They haven't brought it up since, it was just a one time thing. I guess they don't want to know. But when they were joking about it, I made a mistake by denying that I'm into it, when I should have just remained quiet in that case.

But if they do end up eventually asking about it without making fun of it, I'll tell them why I'm into the things I'm into...without getting into too much detail. lol




DesFIP -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 8:36:29 PM)

Go password protect your laptop for the future.

I imagine they've been watching tv dominatrix shit, where it's all impact play and taunting and no sex.

For us, it's highly sexual. But if you're playing with someone you just met in a dungeon, it's usually not sexual. Depending on the laws in your state.




Domnotlooking -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 9:22:27 PM)

Just say it was a phase you went through.

And then mock them for being so boring in the bedroom.




PandoraFoxxx -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/25/2014 9:38:25 PM)

This is a little sobering to the "mocking them for being so boring in the bedroom" comment - which I laughed at [:D] too funny [;)]

I was outed by a particularly malicious roommate - who, of course, just so happened to be one of those rare cuntbags who is actually a part of the Community but sees no shame in using it to completely destroy another person - to my entire family. It was a horrific experience and ruined a good portion of my life for several years. It resulted in loss of many things, and in kicking me down a few pegs in terms of my ability to function as an adult. I have since come out of hiding ( I was kindof a hermit for a few years) and live on my own without roomies again - but I'm still forever changed.

Don't tell them anything, it's none of their god damned business. Protect yourself. I would actually second domnot's advice - pretend it was a phase.

I wouldn't wish being outed on my worst enemy.




Redhusky -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/26/2014 2:17:10 AM)

Depends what you did. If it's kinky but not sex , then it's not sex. Ex: leading somebody on a leash can be kinky but it's not sex. But if it has sexual activity that can be viewed as sex, regardless if it's kinky or not , it's sex. Ex doing oral sex but hand tied and with a leash pulled is kinky but at the same time sex if oral sex is viewed as being sex.
Every body is different , every view point can be different , there are so many opinions that your going to find people who dont agree with you.

My old class mates know because i gave an USB flash drive to somebody to copy the homework in the root directory. I didnt expect him to start exploring my flash driver. After that i did wore once a bdsm collar to school. An no i didnt lock it with a padlock :P
My parent's know when i did cleaning i forgot to hide the stuff when they returned home.
They didnt ask or shown any care to it, dont even know if they remember it .
Of course i didnt tell if i'm using it , how , or with who i'm meting or if i'm having a relationship.
Dont know how they act if i say "Hey, i'm gay, and i love a boy , and his my master and i'm his pet " :P




Domnotlooking -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/26/2014 8:26:03 AM)

Take the fun out of teasing you:

"Yeah, you're right. I AM a slave girl, like on I Dream of Jeannie. Hey, where's Dr. Bellows?".

Just keep on repeating funny not-really admissions until the absurdity crushes their dim-witted attempts to shame you.

Maybe follow up with, "Hey, how's man on top, get it over with quick working out for you, Lame-ass?".




CreativeDominant -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/29/2014 9:30:13 AM)

Since I cannot explain when kinky becomes kinky sex better than what's been done above, I just wanted to extend a note of empathy to those whose being outed cost them...

It cost me damn near half of my practice and almost cost me my daughters . It did cost me a few family members and some seem, if not uncomfortable, different when around me...

Would not wish it on anybody...




littleladybug -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/29/2014 9:50:01 AM)

With my last Dom, I had a "double-whammy". Not only was the sex "kinky", I also met him online. This was back in 2006, when "meeting someone online" was not nearly as accepted as it is today...

I was fairly confident that no one in my family would see this as any sort of "real relationship". Sure enough, I was pretty much proven right. Never told them about the "kinky sex" part, but did have to come clean with the online part, as he was about 1000 miles away, and I was moving to be closer to him...

It took several years for my family to see this as any sort of "real relationship". I never told them about any of the intimate relationship parts, as that honestly is absolutely none of their business, but I did learn my lesson with it. People will judge, there's no getting around that. But, at the end of the day, I was HAPPY in this relationship, and they saw that. In spite of the "wrongness" that they initially saw (in terms of how we met)...after a while they simply could not overlook the fact that this man made me happy.

While it does suck when things come out when we don't want them to...I think the best course of action is simply to embrace it. Just live your life. If people are worth your time and energy (family included), they will see that you are happy in what you are doing, and take that for what it is.





subrosaDom -> RE: Kinky sex doesn't count as real sex? What? (7/29/2014 9:58:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Since I cannot explain when kinky becomes kinky sex better than what's been done above, I just wanted to extend a note of empathy to those whose being outed cost them...

It cost me damn near half of my practice and almost cost me my daughters . It did cost me a few family members and some seem, if not uncomfortable, different when around me...

Would not wish it on anybody...


It is a shame that so many people have so little respect for privacy. Younger people often have no sense of privacy whatsoever, reality TV and whatnot (there are exceptions, of course).

For those who may have at some point to deal with being outed, either by a complete ass or by accidental discovery, I do have a recommendation. Remember that people form in their own minds a conception of what something means. For example, if they hear "bondage and domination," perhaps they think of whips, blood, abuse, pain, misogyny, etc. Obviously all things they would have gotten from popular culture including the conflation of reasonable things like whips and pain and unreasonable things like abuse and misogyny. Remember that the person who protests too much brings further attention upon themselves. So if you've been "abstractly outed," better to say (and I don't care if you actually are the world's biggest sadist or masochist), "oh, sure, we've played around with some spanking" -- devilish smile. And, you know, even a pair of handcuffs. Now you've reframed everything in their minds, from the worst possible case to something they've seen on TV all the time -- spanking and handcuffs. Let them believe that and nothing more. Of course, this won't work for everyone, but don't let what's in their mind or the fears in your mind force you to confess like you're being tortured at the Inquisition. Spanking and handcuffs -- and maybe some feathers -- will put this all to bed with most people.

Now if you've been fully outed, remember: Where's the evidence? The person who says you nail people to a St. Andrews Cross sounds like a 9/11 Truther if they rail on about that. Stick with spanking and handcuffs and absent hard evidence, you'll be believed and they won't be. They'll look like an idiot.

If all the evidence is out there, then you need a different approach. I think the best one is wiring. So, Joe, you like big tits don't you? Bill, you like round asses. Rob, you ... well you like other guys. Craig, you like BBWs. You know we're each turned on by different things. So this is how I'm wired, no idea why, but I'm fortunate I have a partner who's wired the same way. We're both happy, we both have a great time and that's it. It's head on confrontation and acknowledgement.

If you run into someone who regards you as evil, there isn't much you can do except to point out something about them that you strongly object to -- but then say, hey, you're an adult, it's your decision. I give you the same respect that I expect from you. If you can't deal with that, we're done. Most people will fold and acknowledge you're right.

95% of all "outings" are covered by what I said. There will, unfortunately, always be exceptions, the kind that CreativeDominant and PandoraFoxxx endured. My point is -- make your situation better, not worse. Be your own best friend and handle the situation like a pro and you'll more often than not be done with it.




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