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cloudboy -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/28/2014 9:40:53 PM)
A cost benefit analysis would favor legalization. From that standpoint, it's a no brainer. Hasn't anyone ever seen the movie TRAFFIC?

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 6:33:33 AM)
A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies?

hot4bondage -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 7:29:02 AM)
Good movie. I would also recommend The Wire. From Wiki: "The Wire is an American crime drama television series set and produced in and around Baltimore, Maryland. Created and primarily written by author and former police reporter David Simon, the series was broadcast by the premium cable network HBO in the United States. The Wire premiered on June 2, 2002, and ended on March 9, 2008, comprising 60 episodes over five seasons. Each season of The Wire introduces a different facet of the city of Baltimore. In chronological order they are: the illegal drug trade, the seaport system, the city government and bureaucracy, the school system, and the print news media. The large cast consists mainly of character actors who are little known for their other roles. Simon has said that despite its presentation as a crime drama, the show is "really about the American city, and about how we live together. It's about how institutions have an effect on individuals. Whether one is a cop, a longshoreman, a drug dealer, a politician, a judge or a lawyer, all are ultimately compromised and must contend with whatever institution to which they are committed."[1] Despite only receiving average ratings and never winning major television awards, The Wire has been described by many critics as one of the greatest TV dramas of all time.[2][3][4][5][6] The show is recognized for its realistic portrayal of urban life, its literary ambitions, and its uncommonly deep exploration of social and political themes."

hot4bondage -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 7:43:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? And cheeseburgers. But that doesn't mean they should be outlawed. Movies and TV shows are accessible and sometimes even enlightening. I wouldn't just dismiss them offhand. Traffic and The Wire both offer valuable social commentary.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 8:02:19 AM)
Commentary. Not conclusive research.

MrRodgers -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 8:43:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? What ?

Zonie63 -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 8:57:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? You mean movies like "Reefer Madness"? Or maybe TV commercials showing an actor frying an egg and attempting to pass it off as a scientific conclusion of "this is your brain on drugs"?

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 9:00:12 AM)
See? You do get it. Unfortunately, only when the commentary agrees with your opinion. But you get the concept anyway.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 9:01:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? And cheeseburgers. But that doesn't mean they should be outlawed. Well, cheeseburger consumption isn't funding South American crime. The difference matters.

Zonie63 -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 9:18:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery See? You do get it. Unfortunately, only when the commentary agrees with your opinion. But you get the concept anyway. Sure, but I'm not as unreasonable as you're implying here. I've always been willing to listen to the arguments of those who oppose legalization of marijuana, but they are invariably wrapped up in an indefensible double standard which creates an impasse in the discussion. To say "marijuana is bad for you" in any variation is not, repeat NOT, a valid argument for prohibition. There are plenty of other legal substances which are "bad for you," so that particular argument belongs on the trash heap where it belongs. If there are any other arguments besides that, I'm all ears.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 11:04:02 AM)
But since I'm not claiming that, you're still in your own world.

Zonie63 -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 11:27:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But since I'm not claiming that, you're still in your own world. I don't know what you're claiming, if anything. I was just wondering if there was any reason for making marijuana illegal, but it appears that you do not know the reason.

hot4bondage -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 11:59:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? And cheeseburgers. But that doesn't mean they should be outlawed. Well, cheeseburger consumption isn't funding South American crime. The difference matters. Exactly! If cheeseburgers were outlawed they would still be in high demand, but the health issues would be compounded by the black market that prohibition creates.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 12:12:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But since I'm not claiming that, you're still in your own world. I don't know what you're claiming, if anything. I was just wondering if there was any reason for making marijuana illegal, but it appears that you do not know the reason. Oh goodie. The playground crap. Save it for Ken.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 12:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. Doesn't anyone think outside of the movies? And cheeseburgers. But that doesn't mean they should be outlawed. Well, cheeseburger consumption isn't funding South American crime. The difference matters. Exactly! If cheeseburgers were outlawed they would still be in high demand, but the health issues would be compounded by the black market that prohibition creates. [8\|] A black market for cheeseburgers is hardly the same as the violence in the drug trade. But that's just me. I know from experience the pro-pot crowd will put pink paint on a fart and call it a sweetheart rose. Enjoy.

Zonie63 -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 12:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But since I'm not claiming that, you're still in your own world. I don't know what you're claiming, if anything. I was just wondering if there was any reason for making marijuana illegal, but it appears that you do not know the reason. Oh goodie. The playground crap. Save it for Ken. Sure, whatever you say. Referring to what you wrote in post #9 upthread: quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And that gives the "debate" the problem of one party's side being either naive, silly, or irresponsible. It makes the discussion harder. Physician, heal thyself.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 12:21:14 PM)
What exactly is naive, silly, or irresponsible about pointing out the US drug consumption funds violence in the drug trade? Because there's plenty naive and irresponsible about pretending it's not there. AND, as long as you're digging up posts, check out the one early on where I make it clear I don't have a side in this debate. Before you go healing, find a disease.

cloudboy -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 2:07:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. You lost me with this one; a cost-benefit analysis does not support prohibition. Prohibition includes police, detention, criminal violence, and the ruined lives of users and dealers (through arrests and incarceration) and black market pricing. Legalization includes: business taxes, new business sales, and market pricing while shedding exorbitant criminal justice costs. Are you trying to say that abundant new users would create a wave of dysfunctional marijuana addicts? quote: Zonie: I don't know what you're claiming, if anything. I was just wondering if there was any reason for making marijuana illegal, but it appears that you do not know the reason. He's got me baffled as well. The reason Marijuana is illegal is that Parents are afraid that their children will smoke it -- leading to a lifetime of addiction, health problems, and use of other more serious gateway drugs.

thompsonx -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 6:37:03 PM)
ORIGINAL: SadistDave Since all of the answers to your idiotic questions are provided in the links, perhaps you should find an actual thinking person to read the articles to you. Make sure they read it to you really slow so some of it sinks in. The only shit here is your pathetic excuse for a brain. Why don't you try something other than your trademark intellectual cowardice and try to form a reasonable argument for your ridiculous opinions? I've provided links for my opinion that you are apparently incapable of comprehending. All you do here is piggyback your stupidity on other peoples posts, and lack both the intelligence to do any of your own research and the balls to back up your nonsense in these forums by posting any citations of your own. If you disagree with my links, try posting the evidence of your own that backs your moronic asshattery. -SD-- Instead of addressing any of the issues I found with your post you spend ten lines telling me you would rather snivel and call me names.[8\|] . It would appear that is what passes for discussion in your zip code.

Musicmystery -> RE: NY Times calls for National Marijuana Legalization (7/29/2014 7:34:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A cost benefit analysis would have people foregoing illegal drugs. You lost me with this one; a cost-benefit analysis does not support prohibition. Prohibition includes police, detention, criminal violence, and the ruined lives of users and dealers (through arrests and incarceration) and black market pricing. Legalization includes: business taxes, new business sales, and market pricing while shedding exorbitant criminal justice costs. Are you trying to say that abundant new users would create a wave of dysfunctional marijuana addicts? quote: Zonie: I don't know what you're claiming, if anything. I was just wondering if there was any reason for making marijuana illegal, but it appears that you do not know the reason. He's got me baffled as well. The reason Marijuana is illegal is that Parents are afraid that their children will smoke it -- leading to a lifetime of addiction, health problems, and use of other more serious gateway drugs. Are you guys intentionally this obtuse or are you actually this ignorant of realities of the drug trade, so isolated comfortably here in the states that you can't see what the money does.

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