RE: *not a doormat* = topping from bottom

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liljoy -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/25/2004 7:33:03 AM)
Gloria. Here, Here!!! i am fiercly protective of those i care about and of newbies. i call it my pitbull mode. online i've corrected many "Dom/mes". In real lfe i've not really had to correct a Dome to protect a friend or newbie. i have kinda chased a Dom out of my kitchen once. lol Actually i just wanted him to take a step back as i was mixing up meatloaf and he was inches from my elbow hindering my movements. i told him if he didn't take a step back he was going to feel my elbow in his gut. Said Dom was highly offended and left the kitchen. Master just chuckled

happypervert -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/25/2004 10:22:20 AM)
quote: is expressing an idea that is NOT in agreement with your dominant are you topping from bottom? I couldn't have a relationship with a woman who always agreed with me -- she would bore me to death. It seems to me that complaints that independent thinking is "topping from the bottom" or "not a true submissive" are just crude attempts to manipulate a submissive into agreeing with dopey ideas. Such complaints appear to come from lame assed so called dominants whose self-esteem is so low that anything less than total compliance is seen as a threat they simply cannot handle. So they need doormats because only a doormat would be low enough to actually look up to them.

karmaslave -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/25/2004 2:35:26 PM)
Heeey, you guys are talking like topping from the bottom is a bad thing!

perverseangelic -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/25/2004 3:20:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: karmaslave Heeey, you guys are talking like topping from the bottom is a bad thing! In a lot of realtionships, it is considered one.

proudsub -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/25/2004 5:48:15 PM)
quote: Heeey, you guys are talking like topping from the bottom is a bad thing! I do alot of topping from the bottom because i have been in the lifestyle longer and do all the research and want to always try new things. He has no problem with that.[;)]

harmony3709 -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/26/2004 7:24:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD You claim to be more Dominant then a Dominant hence what you do in a Authoritive position is in fact Topping from the bottom and you make no bones about it. JMO A submissive in a position of authority is a submissive in a position of authority. If this position is not over her Dom, what does that have to do with her ability to submit? I have not found it at all unusual for submissives to be in positions of authority or power in their vanilla lives. What does one's capability of being a leader or a person of responsibility have to do with submitting to the one you chose to submit to? harmony

perverseangelic -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/26/2004 7:53:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harmony3709 A submissive in a position of authority is a submissive in a position of authority. If this position is not over her Dom, what does that have to do with her ability to submit? I have not found it at all unusual for submissives to be in positions of authority or power in their vanilla lives. What does one's capability of being a leader or a person of responsibility have to do with submitting to the one you chose to submit to? harmony applauds Harmony Well said!

RiotGirl -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/26/2004 8:09:47 PM)
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Mercnbeth -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/27/2004 8:30:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: karmaslave Heeey, you guys are talking like topping from the bottom is a bad thing! The reality is, from a lifestyle perspective, there is no such thing as "topping from the bottom". In reality it's just a Dom or Domme with masochistic tendencies, using a 'facilitator' Dom for physical sensation. In it's extreme this 'topping sub' is called a 'brat'. In any case - this person is NOT a submissive.

Nvernilla -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/27/2004 8:51:47 AM)
Topping from the bottom is an age old art form I would suppose, kids do it to mom, mom does it to Dad, Dad does it to either his boss or his customers etc.etc. As far as a submissive being able to freely express their views, and that is the crux, since you can not go inside of someone and stop them from having views, I feel it is important that this be done. Mike

silentobedience -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/29/2004 6:15:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EStrict Someone said that to me today. I wonder,,, especially for the submissives or slaves who's dominants allow them to post. Does your having a view mean that really you just are a mouthpiece of your dominant's idea's? Or are you allowed views of your own? And if the second one, is expressing an idea that is NOT in agreement with your dominant are you topping from bottom? I would have to agree with you because of the fact that the change of power is a relationship and a persons veiws and opinions wether they are top or bottom should never be changed I think that would be a waste of a mind and a good Dom would never do such a thing

karmaslave -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/29/2004 10:31:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth The reality is, from a lifestyle perspective, there is no such thing as "topping from the bottom". In reality it's just a Dom or Domme with masochistic tendencies, using a 'facilitator' Dom for physical sensation. In it's extreme this 'topping sub' is called a 'brat'. In any case - this person is NOT a submissive. Why for not a submissive? The same as someone having a safeword, i'nnit? - power they hold over you to end a scene with a fantastic bang (their elbow to your jaw, about three seconds after you ignore the safeword) or a pitiful wimper (yours, now sceneless left, "DE-NIED!"). With your logic, according to the wonderful quote (originated: "MercnBeth," like Crunch 'n' Munch!), would that not make the dominant submissive, were it to bend to the will of the submissive turned dominant? "Please dom me," the sensual submissive slyly says; is her might made right because she is the dominate now?

Mercnbeth -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/29/2004 10:38:39 AM)
quote: Why for not a submissive? The same as someone having a safeword, i'nnit? - power they hold over you to end a scene with a fantastic bang (their elbow to your jaw, about three seconds after you ignore the safeword) or a pitiful wimper (yours, now sceneless left, "DE-NIED!"). I THINK, although it was difficult to comprehend exactly what you are saying, that a 'safe word' is a form of 'topping' from a submissive. I agree, which is why beth does not have one, and I don't believe any are needed or should be used by a Master/slave in a 24/7 relationship. If that's not what you meant, you'll have to make your point clearer.

karmaslave -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/29/2004 10:42:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth I THINK, although it was difficult to comprehend exactly what you are saying, that a 'safe word' is a form of 'topping' from a submissive. I agree, which is why beth does not have one, and I don't believe any are needed or should be used by a Master/slave in a 24/7 relationship. If that's not what you meant, you'll have to make your point clearer. Oh no, that's what I meant! Bravo-chap, can one really comprehend my Jedi-mind-speak-trick so easily? There comes a point when a conversation becomes so abstract that its purely academic - when I it hits that point my mind tends to wander and whatever comes out is stream-of-conciousness style. Infact, I'm not even sure why I replied, but I suppose its entirely because I wasn't paying attention and what you said was just enough interesting that it caught the attention of my subconcious. Or the voices in my head are controlling my fingers again. Whatever. Either way, I disagree completely!

subgreg -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/30/2004 11:04:00 AM)
I don't think there is any way to give topping from the bottom anything but a very loose definition. It is also not automatically a bad thing. Why is it that the Dom/me has to be the one dishing out the beatings. Every relationship has its own dynamic and it is up those involved to determine what this means. I feel it is a badthing only when it becomes a dishonest, subversive thing. When the bottom manipulates the top under the guise of submissiveness.

Nvernilla -> RE: not a doormat* = topping from bottom* (11/30/2004 1:05:39 PM)
Well I feel that any Dom who will not allow his sub to have an opinion would probably be more satisfied with the inflatable model. Just a thought!...Mike

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