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Lucylastic -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/1/2014 9:55:12 AM)
Democrats in Congress and impeaching GW Bush John Conyers, who had previously advocated the impeachment of George W. Bush, called for an investigation of the President in 2005. On June 16, 2005 Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) assembled an unofficial meeting to discuss the Downing Street memo and to consider grounds for impeachment. Conyers filed a resolution on December 18, 2005 to create an investigative committee to consider impeachment. His resolution gained 38 co-sponsors before it expired at the end of the 109th Congress. He did not reintroduce a similar resolution for the 110th Congress.[4] Keith Ellison was the leading figure behind the resolution to impeach Bush brought to the Minnesota State House of Representatives in May 2006. Ellison was elected to the United States House of Representatives in November 2006. During the campaign and when he was named to the House Judiciary Committee, Ellison repeatedly called for an investigation into a possible impeachment..In support of his candidacy, he “received a $1,000 contribution from ImpeachPAC”.. Ellison would later note that his "opinions really have not changed over time, but the circumstances" regarding his position in Congress had, and he was a "step before impeachment".. At another unofficial hearing convened by Conyers on January 20, 2006, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) called for the committee to explore whether Bush should face impeachment, stemming from his decision to authorize domestic surveillance without court review. On May 10, 2006, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) indicated she was not interested in pursuing impeachment and had taken it "off the table", reiterating this phrase on November 8, 2006 after the election.. In July 2007, Pelosi stated that she "would probably advocate" impeaching Bush if she were not in the House nor Speaker of the House.. On December 8, 2006 (the last day of the 109th Congress), then-Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) submitted a resolution, H. Res. 1106. The bill expired along with the 109th Congress.. John Conyers brought up the subject of impeachment on the July 8, 2007 broadcast of This Week with George Stephanopoulos,. stating: We're hoping that as the cries for the removal of both Cheney and Bush now reach 46 percent and 58 percent, respectively, for impeachment, that we could begin to become a little bit more cooperative, if not even amicable, in trying to get to the truth of these matters. Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich's major point in the Democratic Presidential Debate on October 30, 2007 was that Bush and Cheney should be impeached for the Iraq war.. On November 6, 2007, Kucinich introduced a resolution to impeach Vice President Cheney in the House of Representatives.. In November 2007, Joe Biden, then a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, stated that he would move to impeach if President Bush were to bomb Iran without first gaining congressional approval.. However, no such bombing occurred during the rest of Bush's term. On June 9, 2008, Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), introduced a resolution, H.Res. 1258, to impeach president George W. Bush, which included 35 counts in the articles of impeachment. At the end of the evening on June 10, Kucinich offered a motion to refer HRes 1258 to the House Judiciary Committee. On June 11, the House voted 251-166 to send the resolution to the Committee.. On July 14, 2008, Kucinich introduced a new impeachment resolution (H.Res. 1345) limited to a single count. State-level Democratic party actions On March 21, 2006 the New Mexico Democratic Party, at a convention in Albuquerque, adopted a plank to their platform saying “the Democratic Party of New Mexico supports the impeachment of George Bush and his lawful removal from office.” On March 24, 2007, the Vermont Democratic State Committee voted to support JRH 15, a state legislative resolution supporting impeachment, calling for its passage as "appropriate action." On January 2, 2008, Betty Hall (D), an 87-year-old, fourteen-term State Representative, introduced New Hampshire House Resolution 24 in the State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs Committee of the New Hampshire House of Representatives. The resolution was "petitioning Congress to commence impeachment procedures" against Bush and Cheney for "high crimes and misdemeanors", including domestic spying, illegal detentions, signing statements, electioneering, the breaking of international treaties, and war crimes. The bill further asserted that "section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of Parliamentary Practice states that an impeachment may be set in motion by the United States House of Representatives by charges transmitted from the legislature of a state". On February 20, 2008, the bill was ruled "Inexpedient to Legislate" to pass by a 10 to 5 vote within committee, which passed the resolution on to the full House for a vote. The bill was tabled in the New Hampshire House of Representatives on April 16, 2008. After three efforts to have the bill removed from the table were unsuccessful, it died on the table on September 24, 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_George_W._Bush now of course, boehner has said, impeachment isnt gonna happen... thats what pissing all the righties off that and the fact that the dems are using the clusterfuck to point out just how much the repubs have fucked up and make money from their own(rw) idiocy. It is more than hilarious given the fact that so far, there has been no immigration solution(because they didnt have enough votes oopth) and a whole bunch of bills left while they go on vacation leaving poor sick, americans and child refugees biting the bullet. One thing I did notice, before I posted this is that now boehner having brought( AND house passed) a resolution to sue obama for overstepping his "executive powers is now urging the Pres to use them to fix the immigration situation .. "There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action, to secure our borders and ensure these children are returned swiftly and safely to their countries". - See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-house-gop-leaders-border-bill#sthash.5shi6GTC.dpuf

DesideriScuri -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/1/2014 2:23:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic One thing I did notice, before I posted this is that now boehner having brought( AND house passed) a resolution to sue obama for overstepping his "executive powers is now urging the Pres to use them to fix the immigration situation .. "There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action, to secure our borders and ensure these children are returned swiftly and safely to their countries". - See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-house-gop-leaders-border-bill#sthash.5shi6GTC.dpuf Actually, Lucy, there isn't anything Boehner says the President can do that hasn't already been okayed by Congress. There was a link within your link: http://www.gop.gov/immediate-steps-the-president-could-take-to-start-solving-the-border-crisis/ (Bolding theirs) quote: President Obama’s policies have caused the crisis at our southern border and he has tools at his disposal to fix it. Here are several steps the President can take now to stop the surge at the border. Send the strong, public message that those who enter illegally will be returned. President Obama needs to use his bully-pulpit to send the clear message that those who are seeking to enter the U.S. illegally will be returned to their home countries and that subjecting children to the perilous trek northward to our southern border will no longer be tolerated. Unfortunately, most of the money requested in the President’s emergency supplemental seems geared toward processing Central Americans rather than stopping the surge itself. With Obama’s current policies, this just means that more illegal border crossers will be eligible to stay in the U.S. Stop abusing his prosecutorial discretion authority. Over the past five years, President Obama and administration officials have abused “prosecutorial discretion,” a tool meant to give the Executive Branch flexibility in individual cases. Instead he has stretched this authority beyond all recognition in order to shield entire categories of deportable aliens from facing the law. This sends the message to the world that if you get into the U.S. illegally, you will not be deported. Stop releasing convicted criminal aliens from detention. In Fiscal Year 2013, ICE released over 36,000 criminal aliens from detention who were in removal proceedings or had been ordered removed, in the large majority of cases purely as an act of discretion not compelled by any federal court or immigration judge. These 36,000 criminal aliens had nearly 88,000 convictions, including 193 homicide convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 9,187 dangerous drug convictions, and 16,070 drunk or drugged driving convictions. This sends the message that not even aliens with criminal convictions will be detained. Crack down on fraudulent asylum claims. The House Judiciary Committee obtained an internal DHS report which shows that at least 70% of asylum cases contain proven or possible fraud. The Administration has refused to take steps to stop asylum fraud, which has encouraged more aliens to come to the U.S. and make false claims. Yet the Obama Administration continues to set records for approving claims. In fact, in 2013 under the Obama Administration immigration judges granted 74% of all affirmative asylum claims. Implement tougher standards for “credible fear” claims. In order to thwart “expedited removal” proceedings, family units caught along the border or at ports of entry often claim a “credible fear” of persecution in their home countries and seek a hearing before an immigration judge (usually years later). While awaiting the hearing, they are released into the U.S. and receive work authorization while their case is pending. The Obama Administration is granting approximately 92% of all “credible fear” cases decided on the merits in Fiscal Year 2013. In fact, credible fear claims have increased 586% from 2007 to 2013 as word has spread about the rubberstamping of applications. The Obama Administration has not effectively curbed “credible fear” abuse, which has dramatically encouraged more illegal border crossings. Detain asylum seekers until their claims are proved valid. One way to deter fraudulent asylum claims is to detain asylum seekers apprehended at the border while the government determines whether their case is legitimate, rather than releasing them into the U.S. Most non-detained asylum seekers who lose their cases and are ordered back to their home country simply disappear into our communities. This must stop. Restore agreements with local law enforcement agencies to enforce immigration laws. About 5,000 ICE agents have the duty of enforcing our nation’s immigration laws. These agents have to deal with at least 11 million unlawful immigrants in the United States and many thousands of aliens who have committed deportable crimes. We need help. Currently, there are over 730,000 state and local law enforcement officers in the United States. Under current law, DHS is allowed to enter into agreements with states and localities – commonly referred to as the 287(g) program – under which state and local law enforcement officers who have been trained by DHS can assist in the investigation, apprehension and detention of removable aliens. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration effectively killed this commonsense program. The Administration should reverse this foolish decision and allow state and local law enforcement officers to help with enforcing our immigration laws. This would send the message that the United States is serious about enforcing our immigration laws. Employ diplomatic resources to stop the border crisis. President Obama should exhaust all diplomatic resources to end this crisis. He needs to work with the Mexican government to help secure its southern border with Guatemala and he also needs to work with the governments of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador to help them dissuade their citizens from making the dangerous journey to the U.S. Give Border Patrol agents access to federal lands. Border Patrol agents in the Rio Grande Valley sector cite restrictions that bar access to federal lands as a significant stumbling block to securing the border. The Departments of Interior and Agriculture currently have rules that prevent Border Patrol agents from accessing federal lands near the border under the guise of environmental preservation. As a result, federal lands along the border provide drug traffickers, human smugglers, and unlawful immigrants effective routes and hiding places where Border Patrol agents cannot reach them. President Obama should reverse this foolish policy.

DomKen -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/1/2014 2:52:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen which was always a Heritage Foundation plan implemented by Romneycare and trumpeted as a success by conservatives right up to the day Obama suggested doing it. Please don't be such an utter hypocrite. Partially true, which is pretty good for you But you conveniently left out some important details such as Parts of it, by SOME Republicans (no conservatives) at the state level, where it is somewhat manageable, repealable if it doesn't work, and even popular http://www.heritage.org/about quote: The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institution—a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies Conservative appears on that webpage 15 times. Republican zero. Are you done making up shit yet?

Lucylastic -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/1/2014 7:04:38 PM)
After they voted to sue the Govmnt, failed to pass the immigration and several others, they say the Pres CAN use his exec powers and do what they cant and wont. That you dont see it is typical wheres the bills for raising minimum wage, student loans, infrastructure, immigration,jobs bills, tax inversion?????? oh blocked, by congress, even the immigration bill couldnt agree on you must be so proud oh latest...they passed an immigration bill to send to the senate, who has already left for vacation. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

DesideriScuri -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:43:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic After they voted to sue the Govmnt, failed to pass the immigration and several others, they say the Pres CAN use his exec powers and do what they cant and wont. That you dont see it is typical wheres the bills for raising minimum wage, student loans, infrastructure, immigration,jobs bills, tax inversion?????? oh blocked, by congress, even the immigration bill couldnt agree on you must be so proud oh latest...they passed an immigration bill to send to the senate, who has already left for vacation. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I oppose raising the minimum wage. I don't believe the Federal Government should be in the business of student loans. Government isn't supposed to create jobs through legislation. Tax inversions could be halted by reforming the tax code, but no one is going to do that, not even President Obama through EO's. Congress passed Federal Hwy Funding Bill (and Veterans Health Care Bill) What you don't get, though, Lucy, is that the President could already be doing all those things listed in the GOP letter. Some of those things, he should have been doing all along, too. There is no need for anything even remotely unConstitutional for him to get all that stuff done. But, you can go on with your bullshit rhetoric and not acknowledge that your link's claim was trash.

Lucylastic -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:48:30 AM)
We arent discussing what you want or dont want we are discussing what a useless bunch of morons are running the country, rather not running the country

mnottertail -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:50:07 AM)
Government isn't supposed to create jobs by legislation? Where does that foolishness originate?

Sanity -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:53:30 AM)
Even someone at NBC gets it NBC Host To Top Democrat: Frankly, Only People Talking About Impeachment This Week Are Democrats

mnottertail -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:56:52 AM)
LOL. too bad no nutsackers will ever get it.

Lucylastic -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 7:57:16 AM)
lol the relevant phrase being this week....get a clue

Sanity -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:01:49 AM)
Barack is begging for impeachment because he figures the only thing that might improve his terrible poll numbers are pity points

Lucylastic -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:04:32 AM)
impeachment wont happen on what has happened so far...

cloudboy -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:06:11 AM)
Most of the campaign spending is negative. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/us/foreign-crises-fade-on-2014-midterm-congressional-campaign-trail.html Anti-Obama ads (and he's not up for reelection) are 38% of the campaign ads. Anti-health care ads are about 30%. Obama is leaving office and the ACA won't be repealed. This political insanity is simply a reflection of the misinformed, angry, (and often racist) American. ---- This is both funny and sad: Even Republicans seeking state office have campaigned against Mr. Obama. A recent advertisement for a Republican leader of the Tennessee House showed photographs of masked jihadis and Mr. Obama while a narrator intoned ominously: “In Obama’s Washington, everything is headed in the wrong direction. But in Tennessee, we’re on the right track.”

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:13:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Barack is begging for impeachment because he figures the only thing that might improve his terrible poll numbers are pity points It's only 'terrible' inside the US. Outside of the US he is very popular compared to previous presidents. People like you don't know when something good whacks you round the face. [:D]

cloudboy -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:17:17 AM)
He's afraid of black people and Central Americans. Children running for their lives are a "menace."

Sanity -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:23:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Most of the campaign spending is negative. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/us/foreign-crises-fade-on-2014-midterm-congressional-campaign-trail.html Anti-Obama ads (and he's not up for reelection) are 38% of the campaign ads. Anti-health care ads are about 30%. Obama is leaving office and the ACA won't be repealed. This political insanity is simply a reflection of the misinformed, angry, (and often racist) American. ---- This is both funny and sad: Even Republicans seeking state office have campaigned against Mr. Obama. A recent advertisement for a Republican leader of the Tennessee House showed photographs of masked jihadis and Mr. Obama while a narrator intoned ominously: “In Obama’s Washington, everything is headed in the wrong direction. But in Tennessee, we’re on the right track.” That Barack golfed as ISIS took half of Iraq makes the jihadi ad legit And that Mr Obama is so unpopular begs Republicans to use him in their ads Most political ads are always negative I didn't see you crying when you racist leftists were constantly running negative ads against poor poor Mr Bush

Sanity -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:25:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Barack is begging for impeachment because he figures the only thing that might improve his terrible poll numbers are pity points It's only 'terrible' inside the US. Outside of the US he is very popular compared to previous presidents. People like you don't know when something good whacks you round the face. [:D] Thats just a lie, Barack isnt so popular anywhere any more

Sanity -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:28:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy He's afraid of black people and Central Americans. Children running for their lives are a "menace." Uh huh, yeah... Anyone who disagrees with you must be a mean old racist SO pathetic... [:D]

mnottertail -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:32:14 AM)
You dont seem to have any reasoned disagreements, and you cannot voice them, so how else does it play out?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: From the "The Republicans Do It, Too" File: (8/2/2014 8:36:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Barack is begging for impeachment because he figures the only thing that might improve his terrible poll numbers are pity points It's only 'terrible' inside the US. Outside of the US he is very popular compared to previous presidents. People like you don't know when something good whacks you round the face. [:D] Thats just a lie, Barack isnt so popular anywhere any more Try looking at international news and many other polls out there. Slipping slightly, yes. But I'm guessing it's because he still backs Israel against the rest of the world stage. You are deluding yourself.

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