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smileforme50 -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (8/10/2014 3:53:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

For my guy and I, our weight is not an issue for either one of us. I'm overweight and he is more so than me. But I love and accept him for exactly who he is. Any change in his appearance is purely his decision because I love him no matter what. He accepted me when I was 160lbs heavier at the start of our relationship 2.5 years ago and continues to accept me as I am today. He loves me no matter what.

In fact, one of the sweetest things he ever said to me came during a time when he was watching me look at myself in a full-length mirror. I had lost a big amount of weight and was commenting on how different I was. He told me I wasn't different at all. The outside might be smaller, but he still saw the same person in me at 380lbs that he was seeing at 250lbs (at the time). It was then that I realized the man saw me as me, not as my outward appearance. For the first time in my life, someone looked past what I felt was my biggest flaw like he didn't even see it.


Does he have a twin brother you could introduce me to? [;)]



FelineRanger -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (8/10/2014 4:27:53 PM)

I can only speak for myself, since I don't have a sub or slave. I take great pride in being a Weight Watchers member and losing 35 lbs. But I did that to alleviate the constant back pain and so that I wouldn't come up gasping when I bent over to tie my shoes among many other things. Since I am not in perfect shape, I would be a monstrous hypocrite to expect my sub to be another Venus Williams. So as long as she's not overweight to the point where I worry about her health, it's all good. If she was overweight and wanted to lose, I would do the same thing I've done for many of my friends: recommend Weight Watchers and support in any way I could by showing her the things I've learned along the way. I know I sound like a damn commercial but I really am that happy with the results.

As a person with some degree of brain function (how much is debatable at times), I am also aware that if I tried to force the issue, it would be a nonstop source of conflict and the results would be exactly what shiftyw got. Just to satify my own curiosity, I ran the hieght and weight in your profile through a Body Mass Index Calculator and, assuming those figures are accurate, you don't have anything to be concerned about. So my question now is this: Are you being pressured to meet a weight or fitness goal set by your dom that you're not happy or comfortable with?



RogueCell -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 3:06:08 AM)

It is a physiological fact that the less body fat a person carries around, the longer and healthier they live.

I have considerable expertise on the matter, and I can tell you for goddamn sure that this is NOT true.

In terms of longevity it goes: normal weight >slightly overweight>>slightly underweight>>>very overweight>>>>>very underweight



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 3:48:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RogueCell

It is a physiological fact that the less body fat a person carries around, the longer and healthier they live.

I have considerable expertise on the matter, and I can tell you for goddamn sure that this is NOT true.

In terms of longevity it goes: normal weight >slightly overweight>>slightly underweight>>>very overweight>>>>>very underweight

According to a study -
June 25, 2009 -- There is more evidence that people who are overweight tend to live longer than people who are underweight, normal weight, or obese.

In a newly published study, people who were underweight and those who were extremely obese died the earliest.

People who were overweight, but not obese, actually lived longer than people whose weight was considered normal, based on body mass index (BMI).

The research is not the first to suggest that those who carry a little, but not too much, extra weight tend to survive longer than people who don't.

CDC researchers found the same thing in a widely reported study published in 2005, and last month a separate group of investigators reported that overweight heart patients live longer than lean ones.
Source: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer

So, to make a blanket claim such as "It is a physiological fact that the less body fat a person carries around, the longer and healthier they live" is false.



GoddessManko -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 8:40:55 AM)

Weight is highly dependent on height, gender, not to mention everything else mentioned on this thread. Most people do not go under 15% BMI unless they're doing a bodybuilder competition. Also can't imagine an elderly person with a low BMI being healthy by a long shot. It will increase in time no matter what you do typically unless you take enhancers of some kind. Therefore to some degree the article is misleading, at least to a person under the age of 40.



Musicmystery -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 8:53:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EmberRose93

A question for the Masters, how high of a priority is your slave's weight and fitness level? How would you feel and react if your slave started to gain weight? Is making your slaves exercise and lose weight part of your relationship? Is a slim slave a requirement for most Masters?

First, women come in all shapes and sizes, and men get that.

Second, "making" sounds so draconian -- getting out for active outings regularly works well for us.

And third, the goal is health. My girl is fit, and a cancer survivor -- if she started losing weight, we'd be headed for the doctor. What's a healthy weight for someone depends on several factors, and it changes over the course of a lifetime.

BMI is a good quick gauge, all things being equal. So is resting heart rate and blood pressure.



outlier -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 3:18:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Weight is highly dependent on height, gender, not to mention everything else mentioned on this thread. Most people do not go under 15% BMI unless they're doing a bodybuilder competition. Also can't imagine an elderly person with a low BMI being healthy by a long shot. It will increase in time no matter what you do typically unless you take enhancers of some kind. Therefore to some degree the article is misleading, at least to a person under the age of 40.



I think you are confusing BMI with percent body fat. A BMI of 15 would NOT
be healthy and a bodybuilder would be very unlikely to have it.

You can check your BMI here: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

There is a BMI chart here: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmi_tbl.htm

A healthy BMI is 18.5 to 25, over 25 is considered overweight and over 30 is obese.

Knowledgeable people I have researched say that a BMI of 18-22 is optimal.




GoddessManko -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 3:55:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: outlier

I think you are confusing BMI with percent body fat. A BMI of 15 would NOT
be healthy and a bodybuilder would be very unlikely to have it.

You can check your BMI here: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

There is a BMI chart here: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmi_tbl.htm

A healthy BMI is 18.5 to 25, over 25 is considered overweight and over 30 is obese.

Knowledgeable people I have researched say that a BMI of 18-22 is optimal.



Thank you for the links, I'm aware. "Body mass index (BMI) is a measure of body fat based on height and weight that applies to adult men and women. "
It is misleading in that women will uniformly retain more body fat than men. Also body builders can have as little as 6-8% body fat. BMI is not an exact science. It's a total guesstimate.



outlier -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 5:03:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Weight is highly dependent on height, gender, not to mention everything else mentioned on this thread. Most people do not go under 15% BMI unless they're doing a bodybuilder competition. Also can't imagine an elderly person with a low BMI being healthy by a long shot. It will increase in time no matter what you do typically unless you take enhancers of some kind. Therefore to some degree the article is misleading, at least to a person under the age of 40.


I didn't bring up BMI, you did. I just corrected it and gave you the references.

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ORIGINAL GoddessManko

Thank you for the links, I'm aware. "Body mass index (BMI) is a measure of body fat based on height and weight that applies to adult men and women. "
It is misleading in that women will uniformly retain more body fat than men. Also body builders can have as little as 6-8% body fat. BMI is not an exact science. It's a total guesstimate.


BMI is obviously not a "total guesstimate" it is a simple calculation.

What is true is that it is not the only or even the primary indicator of a persons health.
However epidemiologicaly over a large population it does usually reflect health statistics.
So, it is a significant marker and an acceptable "rough gauge" or rule of thumb.

There are many other markers, quality of diet, quantity of regular exercise, drinking habits, smoking
or non smoking, waist to height ratio, stress, etc. etc. It is the overall picture that counts.

Most important in any given individual are the medical biomarkers: Blood pressure, pulse, lipid profile, etc.







GoddessManko -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (1/24/2015 5:49:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: outlier


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Weight is highly dependent on height, gender, not to mention everything else mentioned on this thread. Most people do not go under 15% BMI unless they're doing a bodybuilder competition. Also can't imagine an elderly person with a low BMI being healthy by a long shot. It will increase in time no matter what you do typically unless you take enhancers of some kind. Therefore to some degree the article is misleading, at least to a person under the age of 40.


I didn't bring up BMI, you did. I just corrected it and gave you the references.

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ORIGINAL GoddessManko

Thank you for the links, I'm aware. "Body mass index (BMI) is a measure of body fat based on height and weight that applies to adult men and women. "
It is misleading in that women will uniformly retain more body fat than men. Also body builders can have as little as 6-8% body fat. BMI is not an exact science. It's a total guesstimate.


BMI is obviously not a "total guesstimate" it is a simple calculation.

What is true is that it is not the only or even the primary indicator of a persons health.
However epidemiologicaly over a large population it does usually reflect health statistics.
So, it is a significant marker and an acceptable "rough gauge" or rule of thumb.

There are many other markers, quality of diet, quantity of regular exercise, drinking habits, smoking
or non smoking, waist to height ratio, stress, etc. etc. It is the overall picture that counts.

Most important in any given individual are the medical biomarkers: Blood pressure, pulse, lipid profile, etc.







It is a marker as much as a scale is a marker of healthy weight. There are too many variants for it to be accurate and for blanket statements to be made. It is a guesstimate. I agree with everything else stated though.



smileforme50 -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/17/2015 5:08:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery



BMI is a good quick gauge, all things being equal. So is resting heart rate and blood pressure.


What drives me crazy is how some people try to disguise their dislike of people who are overweight by saying that they are looking for someone who is "healthy". "Healthy" doesn't automatically mean not overweight, and "overweight" does not automatically mean "not healthy"

I've gotten into these discussions with people who insist they are only looking for someone who is "healthy". What do they do? Require a physical and certification from a doctor before they will consider any kind of relationship with someone? What happens if they find someone who is HWP and then 6 months later they develop some type of cancer? Do they end the relationship because that person is not longer "healthy"? Or is it just that some kinds of 'unhealthy" are acceptable, while others are not?

I'm overweight...a lot more than I should be....I admit that. So I don't get upset that guys don't find me attractive. BUT....I have 3 siblings who are all HWP....even slim. My brother has high blood pressure, my one sister has a cholesterol of 240, and my other sister has constant digestive problems.
Me? When I went to my doctor late last year, my cholesterol was 172, my BP was 115/74 and my digestion is just fine. So which of us is "healthier"?

I just wish people would be honest and instead of saying that they "prefer someone who is healthy" they just admit that they don't want anyone who is overweight.



Orestes -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/20/2015 11:36:26 AM)

I love the idea of using an exercise regimen as discipline (as in conditioning, not punishment). The sub is submitting to an activity as you direct, and there is initial difficulty (thus they have to submit to it) and the short (immediate endorphins) and long term benefits (pride, confidence, strength, health benefits). There's also some great sub-text about how these benefits have come from the sub's submission to your will; there aren't that many other things that combine so much in the way of mental conditioning and real, positive physical changes in the sub as part of a D/s relationship.

There are also lots of directions to go. Is she an athletic brat? You can drill-sergeant her snarky ass until she's a limp, sweaty puddle on the floor. Is she a little shy? Maybe have her do some of the striptease/lapdance workouts as part of her daily routine. When she's moving oh-so-much more sensually, and her flexibility is improved, and her confidence soars - you'll have a happier sub, and you'll be a prouder dom.

Our physical selves have a huge impact on our mental state, and vice versa. Owning the sub's habits can be incredibly powerful, and when done non-abusively can be very positive. A physical regimen can be a great part of that, and contribute to conditioning the sub to serve. It's also more subtle and long-term. In a vanilla relationship, it should raise all sorts of red-flags - so it should in a D/s relationship, too. Both of you should know what you're getting in to, and proceed with caution.

It ought to go without saying, but anyone who spends time on the internet knows it must be said at every opportunity: anyone who damages what they have (mentally or physically), particularly something as precious as a sub, doesn't deserve to have it. Earlier posts in this thread have described health risks, image issues, and /or overwhelming shame that comes from being told to exercise, etc. - these are all real things. Part of being dom is taking responsibility. It's the dom's job to make sure that every experience is healthy, and results in a sub who is healthier for it - mentally and physically - and happier.

Know when exert control, when to give it up, and when to walk away. This goes for both sides in a D/s relationship. If I was a poet I could probably say it in a way that could be sung to "The Gambler," but I'm not.

Also, feel free to reply with any "drill-sergeant her ass" jokes that may come to mind :)



ChrisDomLA -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/23/2015 8:34:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EmberRose93

A question for the Masters, how high of a priority is your slave's weight and fitness level? How would you feel and react if your slave started to gain weight? Is making your slaves exercise and lose weight part of your relationship? Is a slim slave a requirement for most Masters?


I think it's the overall picture. Not only do I require my subs to be physically healthy, but spiritually as well.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/24/2015 8:17:04 AM)

My Dad is 75,he is very, very thin and it's 100 percent natural. It happens bhe has always been tall and thin. Course that can vary from seniir to seniir.
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Weight is highly dependent on height, gender, not to mention everything else mentioned on this thread. Most people do not go under 15% BMI unless they're doing a bodybuilder competition. Also can't imagine an elderly person with a low BMI being healthy by a long shot. It will increase in time no matter what you do typically unless you take enhancers of some kind. Therefore to some degree the article is misleading, at least to a person under the age of 40.




LockingCollar -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/24/2015 12:24:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EmberRose93
A question for the Masters, how high of a priority is your slave's weight and fitness level? How would you feel and react if your slave started to gain weight? Is making your slaves exercise and lose weight part of your relationship? Is a slim slave a requirement for most Masters?


Some interesting points on this thread about weight. I am someone who finds the mind attractive certainly, and what I call an attractive body is usually a healthy body, preferably on the larger side. that leaves a wide scope for interpretation I realise, but I do like curves and contours.

The Master should be an example is one idea in this discussion too. I can appreciate that leading by example is one good way to show a master is up to the responsibility of controlling someone else.

I think weight is a result of lifestyle, and lifestyle can change according to stimulus, relationships, living situation, discipline, friends etc... So I really think that someone's weight is sure to change over time, people have good times and bad times. If there is a good healthy balance or sometimes power exchange can be effective, then the weight will not matter so much.

Fetish is important. The thing that really gets someone excited, the thing they cannot climax without. Often the fetish will take precedence over other factors like someone's dress size. For me it's high heels (most important). If someone has an awareness of how to show off their body, about posture and graceful movement, about bodylines... I used to see a larger than average lady who looked stunning in a corset and heels.

Mwah



Rufio87 -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/28/2015 3:21:09 PM)

Similar to most of the comments I find health more important than weight. While experiencing both slim and voluptuous woman I’ve learned it pays out to look further then looks.

I’m more attracted by confidence and a positive self- image. In other words, I found it very hard to play with someone whom is insecure about her own skin. Minor task like body inspection became a challenge; using a blind fold shows to be a useful workaround. Of course, working on someone’s confidence is doable but requires effort and time. This because its often an deep rooted problem.

To answer the question of this topic, I would only adjust someone’s fitness level in training if the sub/slave has problem with her own weight. Addressing this problem together would present a nice opportunity to assist with building up here self-confidence.

This all been said, I have a preference for slim woman; which are easier for me to pick up and move around. However please note that a lot of woman whom are reaching “societies’ beauty standards” are insecure as well.

Mind blowing isn’t it – we all have something to complain about.



HisDarlingDoll -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (2/28/2015 6:34:43 PM)

FR it, from a submissive perspective.

when i met Master, 16months ago, i was 65 lbs heavier than i am now. i needed very badly. to lose a significant amount of weight. i was depressed, felt ashamed, unattractive, etc. He has totally transformed me, thru encouragement, consistency in His expectations of me, and love. He always talks to me about being healthy, that's the most important thing. It has never been about the scale, a dress size or the number of abs i have--and i still have none, btw. hah. but seriously, i am expected to exercise either by gym or vball 7 days a week. i'm a mom of 3 children under 7 yrs old, a demanding career, and i manage to meet His expectations with appropriate time management. i am so grateful that He pushed to make health/fitness a part of my life--it is a stress reducer, helps me manage my need for pain when i am overwhelmed and the best part is that i know it pleases Him to see me gaining confidence and following His guidance. :)



vivaciousgrace -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (3/1/2015 7:29:37 AM)

I actually really hope that any Dom involved with me takes enough of an interest in my wellbeing to offer sensible support and guidance and to get out and about with me when I exercise. I am recovering from a serious knee injury and although i am a UK size 10-12 which is far from huge I am still a lot less toned than I should be.
If someone made me feel uncomfortable and bad about that I'd be pretty upset.
But i welcome anyone who wants to help me slowly get my fitness back.



ldyinthemist1950 -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (3/15/2015 2:43:03 PM)

@ shiftyw.......Bravo, well said....



Kaliko -> RE: slaves and weight/fitness (3/15/2015 3:37:43 PM)

FR

An old thread, but a topic I am in love with. I cannot say enough good things about having his intervention in my diet and exercise regimen. I am now down to no grains, extremely low sugar of any kind, very low carbohydrates. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have in my life - even when I was a vegetarian/vegan. Why? Because I was able to fill my plate with unhealthy grains then. He monitors what I eat right down to grams and percentages and he makes sure that I do my physical therapy exercises for a chronic condition, as well as getting in my walking and now core exercises. It's not really a chore for him - it's something we both are into and we can spend hours talking about required nutrient levels and new research. So it's kind of our thing. But, I'm so grateful it's our thing and not just mine. Having these expectations of me that he does not relent on has been both the most difficult thing I've ever done (I think I've told the story about how I cried in the grocery store when he told me I couldn't buy crackers) and the most rewarding.

You can all say that I should have done this on my own - and over the years, in one way or another - I have. Here and there. Sort of. But I don't mind saying that he helps me immensely. I am officially a better, healthier version of myself due to his insistence and monitoring. And, even though I've always felt good about how I look, I can honestly say that I haven't looked - or more importantly, felt - this good in years.



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