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cloudboy -> What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 6:49:08 AM)
To the troubled great lake: LAKE ERIE Politically and scientifically the troubled state of Lake Erie cannot be denied -- and the impact costs affecting fishing, recreation, and clean drinking water are already severe. So, what would the Republican solution be to restoring lake? You can't blame Obama, Hamas, Bergdahl, Islamists, welfare mothers, tree-huggers, immigrants, or liberals for the problem and conducting IRS hearings, Benghazi reviews and passing VOTER ID laws also won't help. Tax breaks and deregulation? What kind of proposals could we even expect from Republicans? TOLEDO, Ohio -- It took a serendipitous slug of toxins and the loss of drinking water for a half-million residents to bring home what scientists and government officials in this part of the country have been saying for years: Lake Erie is in trouble, and getting worse by the year.Flooded by tides of phosphorus washed from fertilized farms, cattle feedlots and leaky septic systems, the most intensely developed of the Great Lakes is increasingly being choked each summer by thick mats of algae, much of it poisonous. What plagues Toledo and, experts say, potentially all 11 million lakeside residents, is increasingly a serious problem across the United States.

Lucylastic -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 7:04:48 AM)
get rid of the EPA!!!!!!!

mnottertail -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 7:13:36 AM)
They already have given their answer, in their fabled 'jobs bill' it was to pour rat poison in our drinking water. The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act (H.R. 872), which would halt duplicative federal regulations on farmers and small business owners that are impeding job creation. (as the nutsackers would try to sell it) But: Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act of 2011 - Amends the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) and the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (commonly known as the Clean Water Act [CWA]) to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or a state from requiring a permit under the CWA for a discharge from a point source into navigable waters of a pesticide authorized for sale, distribution, or use under FIFRA, or the residue of such a pesticide, resulting from the application of such pesticide. Exempts from such prohibition the following discharges containing a pesticide or pesticide residue: (1) a discharge resulting from the application of a pesticide in violation of FIFRA that is relevant to protecting .........

Lucylastic -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 7:28:27 AM)
Well Ron, yanno, Erie runs into lake ontario and im less than 2 miles from that lake, and it forms most of my water supply ...so I was being facetious, but practically every rwnj on here and other places has stated getting rid of regs and the EPA, mind you with our own conservative prime minister, who has given fresh water lakes away willy nilly, the rwnj assholes on this side are almost as bad.

eulero83 -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 7:55:36 AM)
Don't warry, Jesus will solve the problem. Well after you died that's his jurisdiction. So just drink the water and be conifdent.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 9:49:40 AM)
I can tell you the Radical solution right now: offer a free bottle of water to everyone who votes R! [sm=banghead.gif]

DesideriScuri -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 10:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Well Ron, yanno, Erie runs into lake ontario and im less than 2 miles from that lake, and it forms most of my water supply ...so I was being facetious, but practically every rwnj on here and other places has stated getting rid of regs and the EPA, mind you with our own conservative prime minister, who has given fresh water lakes away willy nilly, the rwnj assholes on this side are almost as bad. Toledo has been Democrat-run for as long as I've lived here (22+ years; before that, I haven't ever looked into). The water treatment facilities are being fixed up so they no longer dump raw sewage into the Maumee River (actually, there is an issue coming up for the locals to vote on phase 3 [of 3] to upgrade the wastewater facilities after the EPA found them to be ridiculously lacking years ago). I don't think the actual water treatment plants that provide drinking water have been updated recently. The City of Oregon (borders Toledo's East side) gets about half it's water from Toledo, with the other half coming from Lake Erie. Oregon treats it's water from the city the same way it treats its water from the Lake. Oregon was not part of the drinking ban. No issues whatsoever with the water. So, once again, we have an aging infrastructure that clearly (or unclearly, depending on your pun level) hasn't been kept up to date. Maybe the Feds should come in and rebuild Toledo's infrastructure. I'm sure that'll be a great use for taxpayer dollars coming from Idaho. On a more comical note... [image]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41uwIJTp2LL._SX500_.jpg[/image] http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5378456/bill_murray_snl_classic_commercial/ (It's worth the few minutes to watch, especially in light of last weekend.)

MrRodgers -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 11:10:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Well Ron, yanno, Erie runs into lake ontario and im less than 2 miles from that lake, and it forms most of my water supply ...so I was being facetious, but practically every rwnj on here and other places has stated getting rid of regs and the EPA, mind you with our own conservative prime minister, who has given fresh water lakes away willy nilly, the rwnj assholes on this side are almost as bad. Toledo has been Democrat-run for as long as I've lived here (22+ years; before that, I haven't ever looked into). The water treatment facilities are being fixed up so they no longer dump raw sewage into the Maumee River (actually, there is an issue coming up for the locals to vote on phase 3 [of 3] to upgrade the wastewater facilities after the EPA found them to be ridiculously lacking years ago). I don't think the actual water treatment plants that provide drinking water have been updated recently. The City of Oregon (borders Toledo's East side) gets about half it's water from Toledo, with the other half coming from Lake Erie. Oregon treats it's water from the city the same way it treats its water from the Lake. Oregon was not part of the drinking ban. No issues whatsoever with the water. So, once again, we have an aging infrastructure that clearly (or unclearly, depending on your pun level) hasn't been kept up to date. Maybe the Feds should come in and rebuild Toledo's infrastructure. I'm sure that'll be a great use for taxpayer dollars coming from Idaho. On a more comical note... [image]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41uwIJTp2LL._SX500_.jpg[/image] http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5378456/bill_murray_snl_classic_commercial/ (It's worth the few minutes to watch, especially in light of last weekend.) So the answer is to tax the locals so they can provide clean water that the Feds will no longer require and make sure it is local democrats, that have to do it to maintain any clean drinking water so the repubs can blame them for too much local regs and higher taxes ? Sounds like a plan.

Gauge -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 11:16:33 AM)
This is a fast reply. It is a sad fucking statement when saving our natural resources becomes a matter of political bullshit instead of a genuine concern for our survival. I guess when it is all gone we can all sit there and wring our hands and wonder what the hell happened.

DesideriScuri -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 12:52:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers So the answer is to tax the locals so they can provide clean water that the Feds will no longer require and make sure it is local democrats, that have to do it to maintain any clean drinking water so the repubs can blame them for too much local regs and higher taxes ? Sounds like a plan. The answer is to tax those who are benefiting from the sewer system and the drinking water system, to pay for those systems. Absolutely. Nowhere did I say to make sure it's the local Democrats that do it. I said the City has been run by Democrats since I've been here, and that the water system is obviously not been kept up. Funny how I'm saying the locals should pay for the infrastructure they benefit from, and I'm being chastised over it. Toledo isn't going red any time soon. The Unions will make sure of that.

Musicmystery -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 12:54:54 PM)
quote: What would the Republican Solution Be? To sell the water rights, and use the money to give tax breaks to the higher tax brackets.

subrosaDom -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 12:55:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy To the troubled great lake: LAKE ERIE Politically and scientifically the troubled state of Lake Erie cannot be denied -- and the impact costs affecting fishing, recreation, and clean drinking water are already severe. So, what would the Republican solution be to restoring lake? You can't blame Obama, Hamas, Bergdahl, Islamists, welfare mothers, tree-huggers, immigrants, or liberals for the problem and conducting IRS hearings, Benghazi reviews and passing VOTER ID laws also won't help. Tax breaks and deregulation? What kind of proposals could we even expect from Republicans? TOLEDO, Ohio -- It took a serendipitous slug of toxins and the loss of drinking water for a half-million residents to bring home what scientists and government officials in this part of the country have been saying for years: Lake Erie is in trouble, and getting worse by the year.Flooded by tides of phosphorus washed from fertilized farms, cattle feedlots and leaky septic systems, the most intensely developed of the Great Lakes is increasingly being choked each summer by thick mats of algae, much of it poisonous. What plagues Toledo and, experts say, potentially all 11 million lakeside residents, is increasingly a serious problem across the United States. A classic example of The Tragedy of the Commons.

mnottertail -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 2:41:52 PM)
ecologically; economically its called an externality. In other words, Adam Smiths 'invisible hand' is really only used for masturbation.

Sanity -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 2:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic get rid of the EPA!!!!!!! Empower the states to handle their problems, where the leadership knows the people and the problems and is best suited to offer up and enforce practical solutions While Adolf Hitler enjoyed total centralized federal control, we are not yet the Third Reich.

mnottertail -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 3:03:31 PM)
The state has handled the problem by putting 11 million people on the shoreline, and poisoning the water for several states. That is what the fed is designed to do .... 'among the several'.

Gauge -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 3:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Empower the states to handle their problems, where the leadership knows the people and the problems and is best suited to offer up and enforce practical solutions While Adolf Hitler enjoyed total centralized federal control, we are not yet the Third Reich. Very good idea. Then, when a State disaster strikes, the government can deny Federal Aid to its people. [8\|] Way to prove Godwin's Law by the way.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 3:38:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Well Ron, yanno, Erie runs into lake ontario and im less than 2 miles from that lake, and it forms most of my water supply ...so I was being facetious, but practically every rwnj on here and other places has stated getting rid of regs and the EPA, mind you with our own conservative prime minister, who has given fresh water lakes away willy nilly, the rwnj assholes on this side are almost as bad. Toledo has been Democrat-run for as long as I've lived here (22+ years; before that, I haven't ever looked into). The water treatment facilities are being fixed up so they no longer dump raw sewage into the Maumee River (actually, there is an issue coming up for the locals to vote on phase 3 [of 3] to upgrade the wastewater facilities after the EPA found them to be ridiculously lacking years ago). I don't think the actual water treatment plants that provide drinking water have been updated recently. The City of Oregon (borders Toledo's East side) gets about half it's water from Toledo, with the other half coming from Lake Erie. Oregon treats it's water from the city the same way it treats its water from the Lake. Oregon was not part of the drinking ban. No issues whatsoever with the water. So, once again, we have an aging infrastructure that clearly (or unclearly, depending on your pun level) hasn't been kept up to date. Maybe the Feds should come in and rebuild Toledo's infrastructure. I'm sure that'll be a great use for taxpayer dollars coming from Idaho. On a more comical note... [image]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41uwIJTp2LL._SX500_.jpg[/image] http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5378456/bill_murray_snl_classic_commercial/ (It's worth the few minutes to watch, especially in light of last weekend.) Here's the facts....we're polluting our waterways. (Democrats and Republicans). There is a spot in the Gulf of Mexico that is growing larger every year which has no oxygen and fish are dieing....by exponential amounts. We're killing our environment...skip the ozone and other stuff....we're destroying our planet. I've said it before...we can do better. It's no longer a question of who...it's a question of when. Blame is a waste of time. Every day we read about water tables lowering, drought ensuing, plants not producing as well and...yes, our scientists will come up with something (they have no choice and, then world governments won't allow defeat) but....this is just horribly fucked up. Malthus is finally correct...but he doesn't have to be...we all have back yards. We all have the internet showing us how to grow potato's in stacks. Strawberries in hanging rows...pick from above, water barrels.... We can do better, and we can do it locally.

eulero83 -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 4:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Empower the states to handle their problems, where the leadership knows the people and the problems and is best suited to offer up and enforce practical solutions While Adolf Hitler enjoyed total centralized federal control, we are not yet the Third Reich. I agree, you're way closer to DDR.

DomKen -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 4:34:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers So the answer is to tax the locals so they can provide clean water that the Feds will no longer require and make sure it is local democrats, that have to do it to maintain any clean drinking water so the repubs can blame them for too much local regs and higher taxes ? Sounds like a plan. The answer is to tax those who are benefiting from the sewer system and the drinking water system, to pay for those systems. Absolutely. Nowhere did I say to make sure it's the local Democrats that do it. I said the City has been run by Democrats since I've been here, and that the water system is obviously not been kept up. Funny how I'm saying the locals should pay for the infrastructure they benefit from, and I'm being chastised over it. Toledo isn't going red any time soon. The Unions will make sure of that. But the phosphorous that is causing the problem is not coming from the city of Toledo. It is agricultural runoff. The raw sewage isn't helping but the fertilizer and pesticide runoff is the actual culprit.

DomKen -> RE: What would the Republican Solution Be? (8/8/2014 4:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic get rid of the EPA!!!!!!! Empower the states to handle their problems, where the leadership knows the people and the problems and is best suited to offer up and enforce practical solutions While Adolf Hitler enjoyed total centralized federal control, we are not yet the Third Reich. 4 states and a foreign nation border Lake Erie. Which one do you suggest be the one to be empowered? If you consider the entire Great Lakes basin it is a much larger number of states and even more of Canada. Every state cannot institute its own solution over its own small segment of each lake that clearly won't work.

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