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Sanity -> Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 2:59:48 PM)

Hit a fellow racer who was on foot on the race track and killed him

Could have been an accident, a partial accident, or it could have been a homicide

It was a night event and Stewart had apparently just caused the other driver to crash, and the other driver (a kid, twenty years old) was wearing all black and was walking toward Stewarts car angrily. The video is damning in my opinion, I thought that Stewart revving the engine and kicking the wheels out toward the guy as he passed looked intentional

Though the clarity of the video makes it hard to judge

At first Stewarts team said Stewart would race at the next event, it was "business as usual" in their words, but later they retracted that and said he wouldn't

I never cared for Stewart, who always seemed like a jerk. Has a nasty reputation.

I might add, I haven't followed NASCAR closely since the days Richard Petty claimed his rightful throne









smileforme50 -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 3:19:36 PM)

I haven't really investigated this very closely....but I had a question.....Don't they make all the other drivers on the track stop when there is an accident?

I mean....so Stewart causes this other driver to crash...and this other driver manages to get out of the car and in Stewart's path before everyone was made to stop?

Why would the driver that was killed get out of his car before everyone else had stopped and it was safe to get out?

ETA.....And why would this other driver be walking towards Stewart's car if it's still moving???

The lack of common sense on all sides is just unbelievable.




Sanity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 3:37:22 PM)

They were under a yellow flag, which means stop racing, slow down, caution

The guy was pissed because he apparently felt Stewart had driven him into a wall and these cars are expensive

Wearing all black at night though, not smart. And I am sure its a violation to walk out on the track. Yet Stewart gunned his engine as he passed the guy, and many say that his car reacted in the exact manner that the driver would have anticipated, spinning outward toward the man who was killed




FelineRanger -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 3:51:30 PM)

One of the tweeted responses said something about recovering Stewart's GoPro camera. That may be the only way to determine whether it was intentional. Otherwise, he could easily say that he panicked or his foot slipped despite his training and experience. But my untrained eye also thinks the video is damning.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 4:09:03 PM)

~FRing it~

I watched the video, but I didn't really get any more insight one way or the other than it looked like a horrible tragedy. Even though Stewart can be a huge dick, I honestly can't see him trying to intentionally hit a guy on foot like that. If Ward Jr. had been in his car, I could easily see Stewart hitting him with his car. And I by no means am a fan of Stewart at all, so it's not like Im rushing to defend my hero or anything like that. Professional driver or an everyday one like me, you know if you hit a pedestrian with your car...you are likely to seriously injure if not kill them.

I have to wonder if the throttling might have been to do something like throw dirt on Ward Jr. as he drove by. Unfortunately with sprint cars, it kicks the rear out when you accelerate. I'm not sure if it kicks the rear only to one side or if it could have gone either right or left. Just a theory though.




Sanity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 4:51:54 PM)


I think you have a point, Stewart may have been trying to throw dirt on him

Which that could be charged as reckless endangerment, or involuntary manslaughter

I wonder what he told the sheriff regarding the rapid acceleration and accompanying partial spin out




Musicmystery -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 6:44:18 PM)

I have a friend on the racing circuit (owns cars), and he says the guy was pissed because Stewart caused him to spin out, and while he's not supposed to get out of his car until the safety team arrives, he got out to give Stewart shit. Stewart spun his car to throw dirt on him. Both badly misjudged and the car ran right over him. He won't be charged with anything -- it happens, according to my friend. Bad judgment and an unfortunate end. He passed on racing at Watkins Glen today. So did my friend.




Sanity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 6:59:46 PM)


Thats pretty much it in a nutshell, though the official word on potential charges is that

quote:



Authorities questioned Stewart but said no criminal charges were imminent.

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero said Stewart was “visibly shaken” and had been cooperative in the investigation. Authorities were asking spectators and others to turn over any video they recorded of the crash.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-hits-kills-driver-on-upstate-ny-track/





njlauren -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 8:28:16 PM)

Not a race fan, but one description said that there was a car in front of stewart that swerved after seeing the guy on the track, and that Stewart may not have had time to react and ended up hitting them. The video I saw showed Stewart hitting him head on, it didn't look like a sideswipe...From what I saw, it looked like an accident, plus I know enough about racing that you never get out of the car unless there is something like a fire going on, for the very reason that happened here, a very dark track, and a guy in a totally black racing suit, damn near impossible to see. Could Steward have gunned his engine to throw dirt? Maybe, but one of the things that would make me think he wouldn't do that is he had a lot of experience on dirt tracks, and therefore know what those car do when you gun them (massive kick out of the tail, it is like gunning a Porsche 911), so I think he would know what the car would do..and I doubt he wanted to kill another driver on a dirt track circuit race, makes no sense.




igor2003 -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/10/2014 10:16:25 PM)

I watched the section of the video showing the impact probably a dozen times, and every time it looked to me like the rear of the car swerved toward the infield...AWAY from Ward. So, I looked to see if I could find any videos from a different angle, but had no luck. So, I then captured several stills of the video. One at the moment of impact, one at the apex of the "swerve", and one about half way in between. I still contend that the rear of the car swerved toward the infield.

But then I noticed something kind of curious...the front wheels, at the moment of impact, seem to be steered to the right...TOWARDS the side where Ward was. To me that raises the question of whether Stewart was purposely steering toward Ward and was actually trying to hit him (somehow, despite Stewart's reputation I still find that hard to believe), or did he make a poor attempt to "hook" the front end around Ward while kicking the rear end toward the infield away from Ward? Or maybe Stewart though he'd "scare" Ward by steering closer to him, but Ward didn't expect that and so stepped further into Stewart's path at the wrong moment? Or could it be something else entirely? Hard to say.



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GreedyTop -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 7:57:57 AM)

~FR~

Why was I certain it was Jeff Gordon that hit the guy??




Sanity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 10:38:42 AM)

I don't know. Stewart is the one who already had the nasty reputation, right?





MrRodgers -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 11:26:09 AM)

I didn't see anything that would have me or anybody else for that matter, believe that Stewart caused Ward to hit the barriers. Looked like to me that the kid messed up all on his own.

Plus, what does every driver say when they get into a wreck that 'may' have been caused by another ? "Just one of those racing deals."

Even the great Earnhardt (Sr.) had a real point of contention with Wallace one time and said after being spun out..." I don't know what Rusty was thinking on that one."




KYsissy -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 12:22:35 PM)

Fr,
I think he wanted to spray dirt on him or clip him a bit.
A tragic series of bad decisions made by two hot heads.




RottenJohnny -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 1:41:08 PM)

FR
If you've ever sat in a dirt sprint car the first you'll notice is that between the mud guards, upper wing, headrests, and your helmet, there's very little viewing area on the right side to begin with. Add in the nighttime conditions and the black suit Ward was wearing and I don't see how Tony would have had much opportunity to see him before it was too late to do anything about it. Ward should have stayed in his car. I don't see how this is anything other than a tragic accident and my condolences go out to Ward's family.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 2:20:54 PM)

True. Plus there was the other car in front of Stewart (another block to clear viewing) that had to swerve at the last minute (from the looks of the video...Ward even looked to be advancing towards him too) to avoid Ward.

I come back to the same question...what motivation would Stewart have to attempt to hit Ward Jr.? It wasn't like Ward wrecked him and cost him the race. Ward was clearly upset thinking Stewart wrecked him, though I see it very much like MrRogers. It was just one of those racing deals. And it wasn't like the wreck caused any loss to Stewart as far as position goes since the yellow flag was flying. Didn't even look to me like the incident with Ward caused Stewart to miss a beat at all. I've seen Stewart be a real asshole. Watched him chuck his helmet at a car he felt wronged him. I've seen him pull some real dick moves. But I just can't see the guy...no matter how much of a dick he can be...setting out to hit some guy who is on foot with his car. It doesn't take a professional to know that if you hit a pedestrian with your car, you are going to seriously injure if not kill the pedestrian. No matter what the outcome is, he is always going to be known for this incident for the rest of his racing career...if not his life.

Unless some big breaking news comes out on this, I see it also like RottenJohnny. A terrible tragedy where some young man lost his life.




Musicmystery -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 3:12:45 PM)

Like I already explained . . .


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I have a friend on the racing circuit (owns cars), and he says the guy was pissed because Stewart caused him to spin out, and while he's not supposed to get out of his car until the safety team arrives, he got out to give Stewart shit. Stewart spun his car to throw dirt on him. Both badly misjudged and the car ran right over him. He won't be charged with anything -- it happens, according to my friend. Bad judgment and an unfortunate end. He passed on racing at Watkins Glen today. So did my friend.





njlauren -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/11/2014 7:06:22 PM)

Igor-
Something that may explain the way the wheels are pointing, sometimes steering in racing doesn't follow what you do in normal driving, to slide left, for example, you can drive the wheels hard right (I know it sounds goofy, but in the movie "Cars", the Hudson Hawk car (voice by Paul Newman) explains to the hotshot driver how to do it, and it is something similar. On dirt tracks, from the little I know, they go around the turns sliding, so turning the wheels to the right might be part of that.




RottenJohnny -> RE: Tony Stewart (8/12/2014 2:34:33 PM)

A blurb from my home page...

Criminal charge possible for Stewart in Ward death
JIMMY GOLEN - The Associated Press

Tony Stewart could still face criminal charges for running down Kevin Ward Jr. with his sprint car, even if the three-time NASCAR champion didn't mean to kill Ward, hurt him or even scare him.

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero, who announced on Tuesday that the investigation is continuing, has said that his initial findings have turned up nothing that would indicate criminal intent in the crash at the Canandaigua Motorsports Park.

But legal experts agree that does not mean Stewart is in the clear.

The NASCAR star could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he "recklessly caused the death of another person," with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law.

"The question over whether someone was reckless is a factual one, and one a prosecutor might let a jury decide," said Yung, who also posts at the Concurring Opinion blog.

Athletes in competition often do things that would get the average person arrested — think two boxers in the ring, or a baserunner sliding into second with his spikes high. But sometimes an act is so far outside the bounds of accepted sporting behavior that it becomes a crime, as former major leaguer Jose Offerman learned when he was charged with felony assault for rushing the mound — swinging a bat — after he was hit by a pitch in a minor league game.

So Stewart would not expect to be charged for the car-on-car bump that sent Ward spinning into the wall. But if, for example, he told police that he saw Ward on the track and tried to shower him with dirt or otherwise send him a message, a first-degree manslaughter charge could be a possibility, Yung said.

In a 1949 case that Yung uses in his class, midget car racer Joseph Sostilio was found guilty of manslaughter after he tried to squeeze a four foot-wide vehicle through a two-foot opening at 40 mph, crashing into another car and sending it into the one driven by Stephen D. Bishop. Bishop's car flipped three times and he was killed.

Sostilio's conviction was upheld on appeal by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Noting that a violent or aggressive act on a football field or in a boxing ring is not necessarily a crime, Justice Henry Tilton Lummus wrote: "In the present case physical contact was not an essential part of the racing of automobiles."

That was a half-century ago, and racing has changed. Trading paint is a part of the sport, and it's not even uncommon these days for racers to leave their cars to confront rivals after a crash, which Ward appeared to be doing when he was killed.

"In sports we tend to allow all sorts of conduct we'd never allow in another circumstance," Yung said. "But this isn't a collision. It's not in that ballpark; it's something you don't expect. This is a more complicated scenario. We're assuming Stewart didn't mean to do this, and yet a death resulted."

Whether Stewart's actions were part of racing depends on what the police investigation finds. Unlike the cars Stewart drives on the NASCAR circuit, the sprint cars have no radios or instrument data recorders that could tell authorities exactly what was happening when Stewart hit Ward.

Video seems to show that Stewart fishtailed when hitting Ward with the rear tire, perhaps indicating he was accelerating; Povero would not say how Stewart described the accident, but he said Monday he has reviewed two videos and spoken to Stewart twice.

"The worst thing that could happen for Stewart is if his story doesn't seem to match other evidence," Yung said. "Because then it might call into question his own story."

Povero's previous comments that he found no criminal intent all but rules out the possibility of a first-degree murder charge, which would essentially require a confession that Stewart was trying to kill Ward. For second-degree murder, prosecutors would need to prove Stewart was reckless in combination with a "depraved indifference to human life."

"Mr. Stewart has fully cooperated with the police officers that are investigating," Povero said in a news conference shortly after the race. "He was visibly shaken by this incident, and has promised his continuing cooperation in this investigation."

After the investigation is completed, Povero said, the evidence will be turned over to the district attorney as a matter of routine. Even if he is cleared by prosecutors, though, Stewart could face a civil suit.

Although the standard of proof is lower than in a criminal case, the civil court would also consider Ward's state of mind at the time of the accident and whether he was also negligent in venturing into racing traffic on a dark track in a dark suit.

But Stewart would also have to weigh the damage to his image and career — with his own team, tracks and millions in endorsements — making a quick settlement likely.

http://home.core.com/home/article.php?category=breaking&article=ad309247b64d49609e4c99599a67413e




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